Is Odin Worth 3,500 Doubloons?

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Hi guys,

 

So I'm on the brink of finally completing the final stage of this Dockyard ummm campaign? missions? Anywho, I'm sure many of you guys have picked up this BB weeks ago and so with it being in circulation and properly tested at this point I want to know if you guys with it think about this BB and if you feel it's worth the 3,500 Doubloons which is about €11.50. As it happens I have Commanders for both a conventional and secondary build depending on what suits this BB best so I am certainly tempted if it's tp be considered by those who have it and played it to be a fun BB.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Hi guys,

 

So I'm on the brink of finally completing the final stage of this Dockyard ummm campaign? missions? Anywho, I'm sure many of you guys have picked up this BB weeks ago and so with it being in circulation and properly tested at this point I want to know if you guys with it think about this BB and if you feel it's worth the 3,500 Doubloons which is about €11.50. As it happens I have Commanders for both a conventional and secondary build depending on what suits this BB best so I am certainly tempted if it's tp be considered by those who have it and played it to be a fun BB.

Depends on

• your favourite class
• your prefered playstyle
• your economic situation in the game

I would not recommend her to a F2P DD player who has barely any Doubloons.

When you are a BB player and like close combat and have the Doubloons lying around and nothing else to do with them, she is a good deal for that price.

[Spruss]

Yep she is worth IF you like german bbs.

[Miragetank90]

A hefty yes from me, despite the consensus that is still floating around, I enjoy this ship a lot. And she is not a weak ship either, she's strong yet she doesn't eclipse either Bismarck or Tirpitz. 

 

I just use my Bismarck captain, I have her in that secondary/survivability hybrid that I love to use. 

 

Was actually thinking of making a thread about Odin - she is far from a bad ship. 

[Kartoffelmos]

I'm in the same boat (huehue) really, but you are getting a tier 8 ship for roughly the price of a tier 5 premium ship. As such, it is a good deal as long as you are not starved for doubloons.

 

However, the ship is supposedly lacking in many aspects and if there is little point in playing her instead of a Bismarck/Tirpitz, the effective value of the purchase is debatable. I'm leaning towards getting her and gambling on a health buff somewhere down the line, but that has more to do with me having limited amount of doubloon spending options.

[_HomTanks_]

If you are a collector, very much yes.

If you are not a collector, don't have other Free XP, RB, Steel, Coal and Premium ships, very much no.

[Widar_Thule]

2 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Hi guys,

 

So I'm on the brink of finally completing the final stage of this Dockyard ummm campaign? missions? Anywho, I'm sure many of you guys have picked up this BB weeks ago and so with it being in circulation and properly tested at this point I want to know if you guys with it think about this BB and if you feel it's worth the 3,500 Doubloons which is about €11.50. As it happens I have Commanders for both a conventional and secondary build depending on what suits this BB best so I am certainly tempted if it's tp be considered by those who have it and played it to be a fun BB.

 

If you really want a Tier 8 Battleship and pay real world money for it then do yourself a favour and get a good one, get the best one.

 

ODIN is not worth it from what I see. Mind you I do not have the ship but I meet them often in matches and they are effective in the hands of good players but overal ODIN in WOWS is quite inferior to MASSACHUSETTS.

 

Instead of ODIN just buy MASSACHUSETTS and play that ship without end till you learn how to handle her and become effective at Tier 8-10.

 

If you really want a premium Tier 8 German Battleship then you are better off with TIRPITZ, that at least is a real world German Battleship unlike ODIN which is a post-war invention of Russian WOWS Developers working in St. Petersburg. Or buy the premium Tier 7 German Battleship SCHARNHORST, at least she too existed in real life unlike ODIN.

 

I hardly ever meet a player in MASSACHUSETTS that does bad in her... even mediocre players do good in her.

 

EDIT #1: Do not forget that you have a 25% discount coupon in the Armory in-game where you can buy the MASSACHUSETTS, TIRPITZ or SCHARNHORST with golden doubloons and with a 25% discount.

 

EDIT #2: If you want to spend less than 3500 Golden doubloons then you can also consider buying a premium camouflage for Tier 8 BISMARCK for 3000 golden doubloons or a premium camouflage for Tier 7 GNEISENAU for 2000 golden doubloons. Tier 7 matchmaking is a tad better than that of Tier 8, depending on your point of view of what a tad better is of course.

 

EDIT #3: I play mostly Carriers and based on what I have seen in matches the Flak of ODIN is unimpressive at best and not noticably better than that of BISMARCK or TIRPITZ.

 

[Miragetank90]

Just now, Kartoffelmos said:

I'm leaning towards getting her and gambling on a health buff somewhere down the line

 

She honestly doesn't need it imo 

[HaachamaShipping]

Do you have 3.5k doubloons you can throw away? Then I guess she might be. If not, then not. Ship is questionable and certainly can frustrate.

1 minute ago, Kartoffelmos said:

I'm in the same boat (huehue) really, but you are getting a tier 8 ship for roughly the price of a tier 5 premium ship. As such, it is a good deal as long as you are not starved for doubloons.

You are getting maybe a T7 ship with T8 MM and economy for the price of a T5. If you can work with that and enjoy it, sure. If you can't, you still wasted money. Overall, for most players I'd recommend getting Scharnhorst or Tirpitz or any other T8 BB instead, eve if more costl, because you actually get a ship appropriate for its tier.

[Wulf_Ace]

Just now, Widar_Thule said:

 

If you really want a Tier 8 Battleship and pay real world money for it then do yourself a favour and get a good one, get the best one.

 

ODIN is not worth it from what I see. Mind you I do not have the ship but I meet them often in matches and they are effective in the hands of good players but overal ODIN in WOWS is quite inferior to MASSACHUSETTS.

 

Instead of ODIN just buy MASSACHUSETTS and play that ship without end till you learn how to handle her and become effective at Tier 8-10.

 

If you really want a premium Tier 8 German Battleship then you are better off with TIRPITZ, that at least is a real world German Battleship unlike ODIN which is a posat-war invention of Russian WOWS Developers working in St. Petersburg. Or better yet the premium Tier 7 German Battleship SCHARNHORST, at least she existed in real life unlike ODIN.

 

I hardly ever meet a player in MASSACHUSETTS that does bad in her... even mediocre players do good in her.

 

Well you are right and you are not right. Yes he CAN buy a better one like Tirpitz BUT this one is only 3 500 doublons, which is basiclly ultra cheap. 

 

Is he better then other tier 8 BBs ? Well no, BUT since I have Schnarhorst and he is a tier 7, I can say that they are almost the same, what is Schrnarhorst at tier 7 that is Odin at TIer 8. THey playstyle is almost the same. More or less load HE and spam, 23 sec reload will help at that, plus secondary build plus torpedoes, so yeah like a copy cat Schnarhorst for tier 8.

 

Odin is not bad, he is not ultra great, he is excellent at support battleship. YOu just have to prepare yourself that you are not Massa , Tirpitz or Bismarck and VLadivostok, you will not be able to do it alone, but stick to someone and you will be good. (unless you get close range where your torpedoes will make a diffrence against that ships).

 

In conclusion for only 11 euros you get a decent ship that will make you money but you will not own everybody like a true battleship. I have Schnarhorst and I knew what will I get from Odin and I was ok to pay only 11 euros for a premium ship. Even if you are low with money and you dont have premium ship I think this is excellent time to buy tier 8 premium ship, excellent! Just prepare yourself he is not Massa or Tirpitz strong.

[Itwastuesday]

It's pretty fun for brawling and it's not like you get all that much else with 3500 doubloons. 

[SkipperCH]

Short answer... yes. She is a full fletched T8 BB, yes small guns and low HP but trollish armor, precise guns, very good concealment, german secondary, torpedos and hydro in combination, better AA than Bismarck or Tirpitz...

[N00Boo7]

Got a SC with 1000 doubloons, i  took it like a sign  and bought Odin for 3500 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, SkipperCH said:

Short answer... yes. She is a full fletched T8 BB, yes small guns and low HP but trollish armor, precise guns, very good concealment, german secondary, torpedos and hydro in combination, better AA than Bismarck or Tirpitz...

what are the range of those secondaries, do they match the Tirpitz or Bismarck?

[Miragetank90]

16 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Do you have 3.5k doubloons you can throw away? Then I guess she might be. If not, then not. Ship is questionable and certainly can frustrate.

You are getting maybe a T7 ship with T8 MM and economy for the price of a T5. If you can work with that and enjoy it, sure. If you can't, you still wasted money. Overall, for most players I'd recommend getting Scharnhorst or Tirpitz or any other T8 BB instead, eve if more costl, because you actually get a ship appropriate for its tier.

 

The idea that she is a T7 ship in T8 is one-dimensional and based largely on people looking just at her HP and ignoring the rest of the ship, which is honestly pretty damn excellent. 

 

If she had the HP of Bismarck she could be on the side of being too strong. 

HP is literally her only big weakness. 

[Estaca_de_Bares]

I got her and she feels more like a supercruiser than a battleship in some aspects, so it depends if your valuation lays more on the former (then she's a T8+, quite close to T9) or on the latter (I'd consider her a T7+ in that case, but enough competitive for her official MM spread) class. I've only used a semi-secondary build captain (the one in Großer Kurfürst) for now, though, with secondary-oriented and survivability modules. Maybe a nimbler approach works better.

 

Salute.

[SkipperCH]

11,3km so, yes they do. And you got one 150mm triple turret which can fire straight front. 

[Miragetank90]

1 minute ago, SkipperCH said:

11,3km so, yes they do. And you got one 150mm triple turret which can fire straight front. 

 

3 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

what are the range of those secondaries, do they match the Tirpitz or Bismarck?

 

11.6 is her max. 

In addition, while she has less of them, they all pen the 32mm threshold. 

[SkipperCH]

German 128 + 150mm guns. And her torpedo archs are something many ships dream of^^

[ooOrange_Yoshiee]

If you already own a tier 8 premium bb that’s a no, if not, that’s a no too, save the gold for a proper one. Its a fun & powerful ship sometimes, but you are basically paying to play handicapped.

[Kartoffelmos]

51 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

She honestly doesn't need it imo 

 

Well, if I compare her to the Tirpitz, she has:

• Hydro
• Better turning circle
• Significantly better AA (not that it matters a lot)
• Different guns, to put it nicely (same fuse time and lack of overmatch capabilities against most lower-tiered targets makes her DPM advantage a bit more nuanced)
• Better concealment

The downside is that she has:

• Significantly less health
• Worse torpedo angles
• Slightly worse secondaries with regards to firing angles and number of guns but the sheer penetration might make up for the loss in fire-starting capabilites. I edited this after investigating some more, and I would actually rate them as significantly better than Tirpitz' secondaries if the firing angles were better 
• Lower top speed

Since the difference in manoeuvrability is minor, you are trading a lot of tankiness for hydro, more situational guns, better AA and 1 km better concealment. As such, I'm not sure if that is quite enough, since survivability is a rather important aspect of a battleship. If she had a higher top speed, I would actually not care about the HP disadvantage that much but alas... 

[Verblonde]

49 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

if you feel it's worth the 3,500 Doubloons which is about €11.50.

Short answer: yes (if you view any spend on the game at all as worthwhile).

 

You're basically getting a T8 premium BB (and a bunch of coal for the penultimate stage) for much less money than a similar ship would cost, all things being equal. Just be mindful what you're getting ('fragile' T8 Scharn?), and that she seems to have a rather higher skill floor than the obvious 'competition' (Tirpitz); it's a shame we don't have T8 Ops - I suspect she'd be utterly glorious for that sort of thing.

[Itwastuesday]

Also I'd say that out of all battleships I've tried she's the only one that's any good at actually brawling. She's got great armor, she's got torps, agility, hydro, secondaries, well handling turrets with fast reload, she's small and stealthy enough to not eat every shell on the air... It's not like FdG that's detected from the orbit, has to show all of her broadside to shoot, can't dodge shells or torps or sometimes even islands. Odin's good at what she does, it's just that what she's built for is not meta long range sniping and next map expeditions.

[Beastofwar]

 

 

 

 

Odin is vulnerable to (IF)HE Cruiser caliber fire over her whole width......

 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, Miragetank90 said:

 

The idea that she is a T7 ship in T8 is one-dimensional and based largely on people looking just at her HP and ignoring the rest of the ship, which is honestly pretty damn excellent. 

 

If she had the HP of Bismarck she could be on the side of being too strong. 

The idea that this ship is a T8 is frankly laughable. The ship has two things that are unquestionably good and that's it: Its armour is solid, best in tier and its concealment is good. Third best in tier. Survivability woes come into play when the ship's armour doesn't hold up and lets be honest, that is as soon as you cannot just bow-in/stern in, or you get hit by 50 mm pen HE, SAP or a CV. Then the low hp pool matters.

 

But the low hp pool could be forgiveable, if the rest of the ship was any good. However the guns are the most trash guns at T8, the secondaries are cool to look at, but pretty worthless too (not to mention that it traps people into not speccing a proper tank build), as their angles are a joke. Go bow in? You are lucky if you get 2-4 of the 128s joining in on the action of the 150. The angle you need to give to get more than one of the 128 turrets to fire already is risky, but hey, even if full on broadside, you only get 3 turrets of the 128s. The friggin Gneisenau has better dpm than Odin, even if it only gets 8 km range.

 

Hydro and torps are cool, but situational, speed is mediocre, AA is nothing special. You are stuck with a ship that neither has a solid defense, nor a solid offense. It's annoying if it gets in the 11.6 km range where the small pew pews do something and really mostly poses a threat at short ranges. Which doesn't mean it's incredibly potent there either. Any cruiser with torpedos poses a bigger threat to an Odin than an Odin to the cruiser. When a Bismarck has to consider the possibility of getting torp rushed by a Hipper, Roon, Hindenburg or one of the new supercruisers, Odin basically already is in that situation when a Chapa comes charging. And with 23s reload and BB accuracy, the Odin is not in any way outdpming proper BBs the way Scharnhorst or supercruisers can, with especially poor performance in the HE department, where the Odin just sucks, which is especially painful because of the lack of overmatch. If an Amalfi decides to just yolotorp your ship, you might survive if you are full hp, but if you are even just 40k, one SAP salvo and 4 torps at point blank are guaranteed to wipe Odin out. Counterplay? Dunno, hydro it at 6 km and hope your garbage HE and secs kill a heavy cruiser?

 

The primary fault of the Odin is not her terrible hp pool. It's that her guns have absolutely no redeeming feature. They are worst in pen, in a class of their own in overmatch (Scharnhorst at least shares the poor overmatch at its tier with Lyon, KGV, DoY, Poltava, California), good but not outstanding accuracy, mediocre dpm. With 20s, it might have had some redeeming quality by having the dpm, but without, well, Odin is basically the one T8 ship that is the least dangerous of any T8 BBs to pretty much any class, except maybe DDs, where Odin is still not some sort of high-threat opponent and only gets a better rating due to hydro. With hydro down, Odin still is an easier devstrike for any DD than the other T8 BBs. But for any BB, just avoid brawling, Odin unlike Tirpitz has the hardest time punishing a turn away and being kited, Odin is trash. If Odin isn't broadsiding, load HE, you can simply outtrade it. If you are a cruiser, just stay angled at range and make them regret their purchase or, if you fear you don't have much fight left, go for the torp exchange and trade your ship for an extra kill.

 

Odin even with more hp wouldn't be too strong, she'd just not lose any extented fire exchange with other T8 BBs.