Is the Asian DD line obsolete?

[BanzaiPiluso]

I am not sure obsolete is the right term for it, but useful? I really wanted to get to T10 of the line but can't seem to make it work most times. Forget about the torps completely and try to stay alive and do not contest caps unless the MM is good for you and doesn't match you against new more powerful destroyers with better DPM.

I had fun with Gadjah Mada but with Hsienyang is so difficult. You can't kill other dds, torps have a very long reload time...it would benefit from a buff, like more smoke or shorter torp reload time or something.

 

 

[159Hunter]

The TX is not my top DD pick, but it has lot's of smoke so can somewhat waste some on CVs.

The gun DPM is okaish, not as good as it used to be. Torps are good, but well they're deepwater.

 

And for lols, you could try radar YY over smoke YY.

[xxNihilanxx]

2 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

I am not sure obsolete is the right term for it, but useful? I really wanted to get to T10 of the line but can't seem to make it work most times. Forget about the torps completely and try to stay alive and do not contest caps unless the MM is good for you and doesn't match you against new more powerful destroyers with better DPM.

I had fun with Gadjah Mada but with Hsienyang is so difficult. You can't kill other dds, torps have a very long reload time...it would benefit from a buff, like more smoke or shorter torp reload time or something.

 

 

 

Hsienyang is, in my opinion, the stinker of the line. That said, I never finished the Chung Mu grind as I kinda got bored of them by that point.

[lafeel]

3 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Hsienyang is, in my opinion, the stinker of the line. That said, I never finished the Chung Mu grind as I kinda got bored of them by that point.

Just my luck, seeing as I just got her last night.

 

Gadjah was a absolute joy must be said though..

[BanzaiPiluso]

3 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

Hsienyang is, in my opinion, the stinker of the line. That said, I never finished the Chung Mu grind as I kinda got bored of them by that point

Oh, I see. I really want to get past it but it is so frustrating.

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

5 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

And for lols, you could try radar YY over smoke YY.

Ha, I will try that for sure. I always forget you have the option.

[TeaAndTorps]

4 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Hsienyang is, in my opinion, the stinker of the line. That said, I never finished the Chung Mu grind as I kinda got bored of them by that point.

Often see this opinion, but I've never heard an explanation of why? Not suggesting it's not the case, but I just got GM and it's nice to be warned about the cons of the next thing in the line.

[BanzaiPiluso]

4 minutes ago, TeaAndTorps said:

Often see this opinion, but I've never heard an explanation of why? Not suggesting it's not the case, but I just got GM and it's nice to be warned about the cons of the next thing in the line.

As I said, you can't fight caps very well these days, AA is lackluster, torps are deepwater and reload time is too long. Also you are very visible and smoke is scarce.

Coming from Gahdja Mada, is a pain in the back side.

 

[lafeel]

4 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

As I said, you can't fight caps very well these days, AA is lackluster, torps are deepwater and reload time is too long. Also you are very visible and smoke is scarce.

Coming from Gahdja Mada, is a pain in the back side.

 

At least your guns are good, and fast reloading, shame you only have four though..

[ColonelPete]

When you can play high Tier US DD, you can play the high Tier PA DD.

Yes, the slower gun reload on YY is a drawback, but it is still ok.

[Verblonde]

Obviously GM is viewed as a highlight of the line, so the T8 was always going to struggle to follow that. I don't think the T8 is entirely disastrous, but she is rather 'meh' - she's more or less a Benson (well, she's a Gleaves, but you know what I mean) that can't torp DDs. My suspicion is that Hsienyang is mainly in the line to encourage you to spend free xp to get to the better things that follow.

 

For the PA line, it's worth trying the radar on the T8; it's much harder, but at least it makes the ship less dull (although if you have money available, Orkan is far better at the 'T8 radar DD' thing, IMO). The argument for the radar build increases if you're playing in a division, or in a mode where it's more likely that what you spot will actually get shot at by your allies.

 

T9 is essentially a Fletcher, so pretty worthwhile, and even the much-abused-with-the-nerf-bat YY isn't bad; my feeling is that they're worth having for a bit of variety (and possibly for use in competitive with radar), although I prefer their US incarnations for more general use...

 

17 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

I am not sure obsolete is the right term for it, but useful?

I would rate them as not essential but still sufficiently fun to be worth playing...

[BanzaiPiluso]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

My suspicion is that Hsienyang is mainly in the line to encourage you to spend free xp to get to the better things that follow.

That seems to be the case. A meh boat asking to be discarded as soon as possible.

[Verblonde]

9 minutes ago, TeaAndTorps said:

Often see this opinion, but I've never heard an explanation of why?

I suspect there may be a number of factors:

• You've just come from GM, which is excellent, and the contrast is a bit painful.
• The advantages of the torps are not terribly evident: they're just as slow as the equivalents on Benson, and you can't hit DDs with them.
• You lose one gun barrel's worth of dakka, compared to Benson, and the AA increase is negligible.
• It's followed by - essentially - a Feltcher, which is pretty excellent.

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

A meh boat asking to be discarded as soon as possible.

I wouldn't necessarily sell her (I kept mine); just keep her in reserve as a potentially useful 'just in case' if you ever need a radar DD for T8 competitive. Can't remember the last time I played mine though - probably the last time we were knocking off snowflakes...

[TeaAndTorps]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

I suspect there may be a number of factors:

• You've just come from GM, which is excellent, and the contrast is a bit painful.
• The advantages of the torps are not terribly evident: they're just as slow as the equivalents on Benson, and you can't hit DDs with them.
• You lose one gun barrel's worth of dakka, compared to Benson, and the AA increase is negligible.
• It's followed by - essentially - a Feltcher, which is pretty excellent.

 

7 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

As I said, you can't fight caps very well these days, AA is lackluster, torps are deepwater and reload time is too long. Also you are very visible and smoke is scarce.

Coming from Gahdja Mada, is a pain in the back side.

 

This all makes sense.

 

Hey ho, I do like Fletchers, from a historical view as much as anything. Maybe I'll just grab the Chung Mu as quick as I can.

[Panocek]

24 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

I am not sure obsolete is the right term for it, but useful? I really wanted to get to T10 of the line but can't seem to make it work most times. Forget about the torps completely and try to stay alive and do not contest caps unless the MM is good for you and doesn't match you against new more powerful destroyers with better DPM.

I had fun with Gadjah Mada but with Hsienyang is so difficult. You can't kill other dds, torps have a very long reload time...it would benefit from a buff, like more smoke or shorter torp reload time or something.

 

 

Aliexpress DDs already have the best smoke, tied with Brit DD one in terms of flexibility and anti CV protection. Tier 8 onwards they are essentially inferior USN destroyers, but they kinda need to be, otherwise what would be the point of USN DDs, as it used to be in the past.

[VeryHonarbrah]

Tx is not very strong, t9 is not bad, the t8 is horrid. The t7 is the highlight of the line, but t7 isnt what it used to be mm wise. I wouldn't bother going down the line

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

My favourite DD line, so of course I’d recommend. The tier 10 isn’t OP anymore, but still a decent tier 10 :) 

 

The tier 8 is simply meh.

[Yedwy]

56 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

I am not sure obsolete is the right term for it, but useful? I really wanted to get to T10 of the line but can't seem to make it work most times. Forget about the torps completely and try to stay alive and do not contest caps unless the MM is good for you and doesn't match you against new more powerful destroyers with better DPM.

I had fun with Gadjah Mada but with Hsienyang is so difficult. You can't kill other dds, torps have a very long reload time...it would benefit from a buff, like more smoke or shorter torp reload time or something.

IMHO yes its the right term and yes it is

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 hour ago, TeaAndTorps said:

Often see this opinion, but I've never heard an explanation of why? Not suggesting it's not the case, but I just got GM and it's nice to be warned about the cons of the next thing in the line.

HY is basically a Benson with 4 guns and torps that cannot hit DDs.

 

You have too little gunpower to fight even an Ognevoi or Kagero on equal terms. You cannot torp DD smokes or predict torp chokepoints effectively. You are kinda like an Asashio in this one. Not really effective at fighting ships smaller than BBs.

 

[Hugh_Ruka]

50 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Aliexpress DDs already have the best smoke, tied with Brit DD one in terms of flexibility and anti CV protection. Tier 8 onwards they are essentially inferior USN destroyers, but they kinda need to be, otherwise what would be the point of USN DDs, as it used to be in the past.

well there's the smoke difference and obvious torpedo utility difference ...

 

not being able to deal with other DDS effectively is a huge weakness for any DD.

[Beastofwar]

7 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

HY is basically a Benson with 4 guns and torps that cannot hit DDs.

 

You have too little gunpower to fight even an Ognevoi or Kagero on equal terms. You cannot torp DD smokes or predict torp chokepoints effectively. You are kinda like an Asashio in this one. Not really effective at fighting ships smaller than BBs.

 

This.

 

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

well there's the smoke difference and obvious torpedo utility difference ...

 

not being able to deal with other DDS effectively is a huge weakness for any DD.

USN smoke binds you for too long in one place, as even the most beached of Yamatos will unstuck themselves and reverse out of range before your smoke dissipates. Also glorious torpedo magnet.

Chung Mu might be highlight of the line, as she is essentially Fletcher that trades bit torp reload for DWT, bit better camo and top speed.

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

USN smoke binds you for too long in one place, as even the most beached of Yamatos will unstuck themselves and reverse out of range before your smoke dissipates. Also glorious torpedo magnet.

Chung Mu might be highlight of the line, as she is essentially Fletcher that trades bit torp reload for DWT, bit better camo and top speed.

dunno about you, but I seldom use USN smokes for myself. mostly for radar cruisers on my team to create artificial islands for them to shoot from. in that regard, the PA smokes are not really usable for teammates other than to turn around and disengage. USN DDs are about the only ones that can make smoke screens usable for teammates. the others either need them for themselves (KM, IJN, RN) or the smoke duration is not long enough to be of that much use (RU).

[BanzaiPiluso]

Small correction, concealment on the Hsienyang is 5.8Km so is not that bad, and you get 5 smoke canisters which is not bad either. I think the worst part is the 4 guns, deep water torps with a very slow reload and the mediocre AA. 

In a game with no CVs (don't get me started on CVs!) you can do fine but if you have to contest caps you are in trouble. It would probably benefit from a faster reload or a bit more range like 10km.