Ranked: Stuck in an endless loop between Rank 5 and 6

[_Ghostship_]

Maybe im just too bad, but im stuck right now in an endless loop between rank 5 and 6. I will win 2 games, lose 2 games, win 2 games lose 2 games... and so on. This goes on for 3 days now. 

Its impossible for me to get past Rank 5. Its no longer fun like this anymore. Someone has a tip for me? 

[gabberworld]

1 minute ago, _Ghostship_ said:

Maybe im just too bad, but im stuck right now in an endless loop between rank 5 and 6. I will win 2 games, lose 2 games, win 2 games lose 2 games... and so on. This goes on for 3 days now. 

Its impossible for me to get past Rank 5. Its no longer fun like this anymore. Someone has a tip for me? 

 

you lucky that you get a rank 5

[Beastofwar]

I'm stuck between 8 and 7...

 

Either that is my skill threshold ( some claim it works that way ) or i need to play a lot more and not lose/keep the star in more matches.

 

For me DD seem most influential and sure to "make" a win or keep a star : It seems when others pilot them they get killed too fast and we lose for sure*. I keep losing in other ships then DD.

 

* this isnt very serious, yet no real joke either...

[_Ghostship_]

I think BB is and DD is Meta so far.

I tried cruiser but its super hard. As soon as you are spotted everyone will fire on you. Also CV will kill you fast. I was in Cleveland and CV attacked me every 30 sec with a new squadron. I was fully AA-skilled with T-skill but still had no chance doe to the plane-spam. 

 

ALso I tried bismark but she has no chance against the russian bb's. Iam fully angeled and they still give me citadels or high damage salvos. I do like 2k damage or nothing at all when they are angled. 

[Verblonde]

13 minutes ago, _Ghostship_ said:

Someone has a tip for me?

Say " it!" and leave ranked alone until next time?

 

That isn't quite as glib/asinine as might appear at first glance: once you get above R10, you need to string together a lot more wins in a row (and/or save stars) to progress, and frustration is a significant part of ranking out - certainly for typical players. This tends to result in a mind-set where you start to feel a powerful urge to put a boot through the screen, which in turn increases the likelihood of messing up yourself, so resulting in more frustration, and so on.

 

I would suggest only playing Ranked for as long as it's fun (or at least, not unreasonably exasperating) - the rewards aren't *that* good...

[gabberworld]

4 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

I would suggest only playing Ranked for as long as it's fun (or at least, not unreasonably exasperating)

 

if you think like that , you will never win, you need think now i can todo it, now i can win for sure. fun is different thing, fun can be also i screw the full team collect the keep star and [edited]the others

[loppantorkel]

28 minutes ago, _Ghostship_ said:

Maybe im just too bad, but im stuck right now in an endless loop between rank 5 and 6. I will win 2 games, lose 2 games, win 2 games lose 2 games... and so on. This goes on for 3 days now. 

Its impossible for me to get past Rank 5. Its no longer fun like this anymore. Someone has a tip for me? 

Yes. Don't believe the people saying Ranked is no skill. If you don't get further and you don't enjoy it - accept this is where you are under current circumstances. Better than what most do. ..or spend countless of hours, without enjoyment, grinding on with a slight chance of R1, depending on your skill.

[Admiral_Oily_Discharge]

1 hour ago, _Ghostship_ said:

Maybe im just too bad, but im stuck right now in an endless loop between rank 5 and 6. I will win 2 games, lose 2 games, win 2 games lose 2 games... and so on. This goes on for 3 days now. 

 

1 hour ago, Beastofwar said:

I'm stuck between 8 and 7...

I will attempt to give an honest opinion.

YOu see whatevar people aspire for in their life – whether it is to grow a business, build a house or whatever else – the thought: “I want this” arises. Once this thought happens, for most people, they focus their energy towards that something through action and start working towards it. If their action is incisive enough, their thought becomes a reality. That is the usual way people function in the world. But they do not know how to infuse or empower that thought with a certain dimension of energy. Thought itself is a reverberation and an energy. You cannot generate a thought without energy. It is just that because it is happening in such a haphazard way, maybe it does not have the necessary energy to manifest itself. Let us look at the process of generating a thought. Is your thought conscious or is it just an outcome of a million things that have already gotten into you? When your thought process is unconscious, most of the time it is like mental diarrhea. There is no control over it. It simply rambles because there is old stuff inside. This is just like the more bad food you have in your stomach, the more your diarrhea goes on. When you have mental diarrhea, you cannot call it a thought. The power to create lies within your thought. In yogic perception If you generate a thought in your mind consciously and if it is single-pointed, it will find its way in the world. It will manifest itself naturally.

 

That being said , the answer to overcome all them obstacles in every walks of life is  " Thought /Will power + Skill ".

[Camperdown]

1 hour ago, loppantorkel said:

Yes. Don't believe the people saying Ranked is no skill. If you don't get further and you don't enjoy it - accept this is where you are under current circumstances. Better than what most do. ..or spend countless of hours, without enjoyment, grinding on with a slight chance of R1, depending on your skill.

Heh that's what you said to me too.

Trying to discourage the competition? 

[waxx25]

2 hours ago, _Ghostship_ said:

Maybe im just too bad, but im stuck right now in an endless loop between rank 5 and 6. I will win 2 games, lose 2 games, win 2 games lose 2 games... and so on. This goes on for 3 days now. 

Its impossible for me to get past Rank 5. Its no longer fun like this anymore. Someone has a tip for me? 

If you are not winning AND consistently losing stars you need to take a pause and do a mental review of what YOU might be doing wrong.

Try to see why you died early on your losses and what you can do different. 

I did same when it came to my DD and cruiser gameplay. I was too aggressive in my Benson and Baltimore. Changed my tactics slightly and even though I only had 43% win rate I gained stars.

 

 

[steveraptor]

17 hours ago, _Ghostship_ said:

I think BB is and DD is Meta so far.

I tried cruiser but its super hard. As soon as you are spotted everyone will fire on you. Also CV will kill you fast. I was in Cleveland and CV attacked me every 30 sec with a new squadron. I was fully AA-skilled with T-skill but still had no chance doe to the plane-spam. 

 

ALso I tried bismark but she has no chance against the russian bb's. Iam fully angeled and they still give me citadels or high damage salvos. I do like 2k damage or nothing at all when they are angled. 

Care to post some replays? Generally if you stuck in a loop like this it means you don't have enough influence to affect the outcome of the game.

Sure, you can play safe and not die, but someone needs to make the plays to win, and if you are relaying on someone else to make the winning moves so you can just hop along for the ride...then you will hit a roadblock sooner or later.

 

 

[loppantorkel]

24 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Heh that's what you said to me too.

Trying to discourage the competition? 

 

 

It's a game in the end. If it's not enjoyable and a pure grind... it sounds more like a bad, unpaid job.

 

There's also this discourse (?) on the forum that anyone can get R1 if they just play the game. Plenty of people disregard Ranked as a clown fiesta not worth their time and that Ranks or skill means nothing. Imo, this encourages too many to play Ranked and when they realise they don't reach R1, they get frustrated.

Given the common thought here that anyone can get to R1, but many of those that attempt it don't get there - where does it leave those who fail this 'easy task'? I believe it unnecessarily depresses people. Ranked is tough to get through. You need plenty of skill, the right ship, be suited for the current meta, and a lot of patience. ...and in some cases, the ability to quit when it draws out and it's not enjoyable.

 

I hope you continue and try get R1, but I think you've gone from a limit on 150 games to, what was it last time? 250? We'll see where it ends.

[OldPappy]

3 hours ago, _Ghostship_ said:

Maybe im just too bad, but im stuck right now in an endless loop between rank 5 and 6. I will win 2 games, lose 2 games, win 2 games lose 2 games... and so on. This goes on for 3 days now. 

Its impossible for me to get past Rank 5. Its no longer fun like this anymore. Someone has a tip for me? 

I have given up at rank 10. So many wierd players doing wierd stuff. Mostly the famous yolo and we all know the team that looses the first ship is almost always the loosing team. Not worth the aggravation for a few flags, camo or steel that i will never amass to useful levels anyway. 

[_HomTanks_]

I tried Kidd and Cossack other than Lightning earlier. IMO, Lightning feels more comfortable than Cossack with the extra torp set. Kidd is good as usual but if team is bad it can’t do much. It is more team reliant. In general, there are many players In rank 5-10 bracket that don’t know which ship has radar or hydro, many don’t know where to go, many leave their flanks and their flanks get wiped out without their support, many ships sit in one single square same as you would see in randoms, some CVs don’t care about providing AA to their dds or have incredibly low map awareness they get killed after being spotted. There are occasional AFKs of course. What one can do with these type of players is to save his star. If you have such teams you can’t carry no matter who you are. It goes vice versa for the enemy too. Most of it is RNGesus. If it favors your team you win for sure.  If it favors enemy they win. The skill only comes in place to save the star. “But I killed four ships and carried” games are rare and mostly it happens when there is no cv or enemy ships are already very low hp or they charge to your smoke and get torped. When MM RNGesus gives kind of equal teams then your skill shine even more. But skill is irrelevant in landslide MMs.

[Beastofwar]

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2 hours ago, Admiral_Oily_Discharge said:

 

I will attempt to give an honest opinion.

 

 

I just want to progress though my Tier 8 tech tree ships and there isn't any PvE operations for it....so i use ranked as it gives more freedom then the "wall of enemies" that 12v12 randoms is.

 

Besides that full upgraded Tech tree ships ( that they are, just not the XP for Tier IX yet ) don't do worse then any premium ship. Every other match or so i play those too.

 

I do not pick 1 "OP" ship from the best performers on a stats site and only play that, although i have all of those. I would be bored and learn nothing new.

 

I don't "need" to be in rank 1. But if playing would lead there i have no objections to the rewards

 

 

[_HomTanks_]

1 hour ago, loppantorkel said:

There's also this discourse (?) on the forum that anyone can get R1 if they just play the game.

That's true. They can keep playing and will grind to rank 1 eventually. Though, they may need to visit a psychiatrist afterwards.

 

1 hour ago, loppantorkel said:

Plenty of people disregard Ranked as a clown fiesta not worth their time and that Ranks or skill means nothing. 

 

This is also true. It is a clown fiesta and i would have stopped playing it after season 10 if it wasn't for the steel. The frustration is often more than the pleasure even in won games. You just wouldn't believe what your eyes see, what those players are doing/or not doing. If one doesn't really care about the steel, or already getting their share of steel from CBs, they should really not consider playing ranks. For beginners it may be a different case but it adds nothing to the skill if you are already at some more advanced level. 

 

When i see the team roster and after five minutes into the ranked game, my face is like;

[Verblonde]

16 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

You just wouldn't believe what your eyes see

 

[loppantorkel]

51 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

That's true. They can keep playing and will grind to rank 1 eventually. Though, they may need to visit a psychiatrist afterwards.

 

This is also true. It is a clown fiesta and i would have stopped playing it after season 10 if it wasn't for the steel. The frustration is often more than the pleasure even in won games. You just wouldn't believe what your eyes see, what those players are doing/or not doing. If one doesn't really care about the steel, or already getting their share of steel from CBs, they should really not consider playing ranks. For beginners it may be a different case but it adds nothing to the skill if you are already at some more advanced level. 

 

When i see the team roster and after five minutes into the ranked game, my face is like;

There are plenty of bad players in Ranked, nothing new there, but it's been proven over and over that to reach R1 you either need to be a highly skilled player and you'll rank out in sub 100 games, or at the other side of the spectrum - be an average player and you may be able to rank out in anywhere from 400-plus1000 games. No guarantees if you're not above average, and even then the grind might be long. If you're worse than average - you need an OP ship, or lots of patience and a good deal of luck. That's the misconception - total potatoes or afks do not get carried to R1, regardless of how many games they play.

[_HomTanks_]

32 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

There are plenty of bad players in Ranked, nothing new there, but it's been proven over and over that to reach R1 you either need to be a highly skilled player and you'll rank out in sub 100 games, or at the other side of the spectrum - be an average player and you may be able to rank out in anywhere from 400-plus1000 games. No guarantees if you're not above average, and even then the grind might be long. If you're worse than average - you need an OP ship, or lots of patience and a good deal of luck. That's the misconception - total potatoes or afks do not get carried to R1, regardless of how many games they play.

There is also MM factor. We can't disregard it. A player finishing under 100 game does not necessarily mean he is more skilled than a player who finished in 130 games. There is always a contingency and it consists of MM factor, choosing the right ship factor, other in game and out game factors as well. If your team is already winning the game, sunk 2 enemy ships in 5 minutes , capped and you killed 3 ships plus one last minute kill steal, it doesn't mean you are an extraordinary player. It is already a landslide win. This team would still win without you against that team.  The real skill comes into factor when saving a star. Bad example but, Barcelona vs. Verona, bets are already off for Barcelona. Expectations are landslide 5-0. Messi scoring three goals vs. Verona won't show him as the real Messi with skills. His team will win with or without him. But when Barca faces an equally skilled team like let's say Real or i don't know, Bayern? and Messi scores three goals there, then his skills will shine more. In the other scenario, let's put Messi into Verona and they play against Barca. Barca will win but Messi will probably score one or two. So even Verona lost, Messi used his skills to score. Examples like Brazil:1 Germany:7   are excluded because they are rare. 

[Camperdown]

3 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

 

 

It's a game in the end. If it's not enjoyable and a pure grind... it sounds more like a bad, unpaid job.

 

There's also this discourse (?) on the forum that anyone can get R1 if they just play the game. Plenty of people disregard Ranked as a clown fiesta not worth their time and that Ranks or skill means nothing. Imo, this encourages too many to play Ranked and when they realise they don't reach R1, they get frustrated.

Given the common thought here that anyone can get to R1, but many of those that attempt it don't get there - where does it leave those who fail this 'easy task'? I believe it unnecessarily depresses people. Ranked is tough to get through. You need plenty of skill, the right ship, be suited for the current meta, and a lot of patience. ...and in some cases, the ability to quit when it draws out and it's not enjoyable.

 

I hope you continue and try get R1, but I think you've gone from a limit on 150 games to, what was it last time? 250? We'll see where it ends.

I am at R7** now after 52 battles. Haven't gone mad yet 

But haven't hit 1st league yet 

[gabberworld]

i had one day, win lose win lose over and over, had no idea whats up with this mm, then something happened and i started drop like hell

[waxx25]

so far its 46 battles from rank 10** to rank 6**. I have found my groove.

When playing DD's remember to smoke your friends, scout scout scout scout, intercept enemy DD's (even if it means dying sometimes), always push the cap. DONT be freaked out by radar and bring AA flags and def AA. USE CHAT, its hard I know but dont put anyone down regardless of how mind bendingly infuratingly stupid they may be. Communicate your plans, yoloing BB's will stop once they know you are coming right back to scout. Radar cruisers will yolo into cap with you if you tell them that smoke will be provided.

I am honestly having a good time in ranked right now, people seem genuinely interested in winning. People listen to actual good advice. I went from 7** to 6** in 6 battles today mostly in Benson. Several matches went high action short duration.

Example... I yolo cap in Benson with Cleveland behind me....enemy loyang does the same, spots me and hydros me, I lose half my health before firing a shot..................but I was smoking as I entered cap and as soon as I was out of hydro range and safe in my smoke my Cleveland radared. Lo yang with pants down and second DD right behind him. I accrued 25k dmg off the 2 DD's and the clevaland finished them off and was never spotted. It has only been a couple minutes into the match, my torps have not had time to load yet.......I love it when people work together.

[GulvkluderGuld]

5 minutes ago, waxx25 said:

so far its 46 battles from rank 10** to rank 6**. I have found my groove.

....

Agree people are genuinely interested in winning.

Reached 5 in about 45 battles, went to R4 in 72 and now back at R5 after 76. 

The issue at R5+ atm is is CVs difference makes dd play a throw of the dice. It doesn't take much to be a "bad" CV and a huge detriment for the team.

If you get one you need to tell he must drop a fighter for DDs to enter caps then he probably do not cover both flanks simultaneusly either as needed....it is lost. This is true also for CAs and BBs to lesser degree, but DDs are so vulnerable to CVs,  and most DDs in the top bracket are very good players so they dont [edited]up themselves.

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

If you get one you need to tell he must drop a fighter for DDs to enter caps then he probably do not cover both flanks simultaneusly either as needed....it is lost.

 

How can a CV player  be in 2 places at the same time with 1 squadron ?? Cover both flanks simultiously ? Explain how a CV does that....

 

I am curious as RTS CV ( with multiple squadrons up in the air ) are gone for quite some time and CV hulls ( a CV player is in 2 places at the same time, but does usually not fight in his ship ) take little punishment and cannot be used as gunships save a few circumstances.

 

Or did you mean alternate the next squadron between flanks ? At least that is physically possible....

 

When 2 DD want a fighter consumable in their cap at the same time, 1 of them is out of luck......and once dropped the CV's planes can't do anything for the other DD before the CD has expired. Or have to fly there with another squadron, which takes some time too. A fighter consumable above your head isn't providing safety anyway. . The enemy CV will just despawn it ( uses his own fighter consumable on them ) and then come swooping in with minimum delay.

 

 

 

 

[waxx25]

13 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

How can a CV player  be in 2 places at the same time with 1 squadron ?? Cover both flanks simultiously ? Explain how a CV does that....

 

I am curious as RTS CV ( with multiple squadrons up in the air ) are gone for quite some time and CV hulls ( a CV player is in 2 places at the same time, but does usually not fight in his ship ) take little punishment and cannot be used as gunships save a few circumstances.

 

Or did you mean alternate the next squadron between flanks ? At least that is physically possible....

 

 

 

 

In CV matches the DD players needs to ask. I ping the area of map I want the fighters and select "request AA fire support" at start of match.......not once (45% wr or 60 as) has the CV player not said "Wilco"

During matches when enemy CV focused exclusively me I ask friendly CV to keep dropping fighters on ping location of map......works every time, CV players cant read your mind.