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Don't give WG too many ideas! 

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Im slightly disappointed, i cant find his historical diving mechanism that has been used on the Thundersub :Smile_trollface:

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Clickbait or not, i think it's rather inevitable that at some point there will be RU CV.

 

Without a doubt RU wanted carriers as other nations used them post WWI and without a doubt made paper plans ( just like other never built RU ships )  to aquire them that never came to be.  And that is enough for WG to ""make them come to life" in game.

 

I would not be against it....i like seeying more RU plane models in this game too. And i wonder what features they might come with....i enjoy the German ones now.

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I see given the speed on the torps, that they are already dropping supercavitating torpedoes, which is good, but it's still too weak.

 

Should be dropping Tsar Bombas as well in level-bombing mode, to balance it out make them fly from the stratosphere and have the bomb drop reticle be half the size of the map. 

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Vor 4 Minuten, Beastofwar sagte:

Without a doubt RU wanted carriers as other nations used them post WWI

And they are not 1 step further 100 years later. Well, they have that ONE decrepit aircraft transporter that (occasionally) was able to launch a plane AND retrieve it, between breakdowns and overhauls, but calling that a CV would be a joke. So, once again, WG will be faster than the RU navy...

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The idea that Russia only ever built a few carriers because they were incapable of it is laughable, the USA is buying up Soviet rockets from the 1950s to fly to the ISS, that's how clever these guys were, they kept the western world locked in an arms race for half a century. To understand why Stalin & most Soviet leaders didn't want aircraft carriers, you only need to look at a world map. All but one of the countries Russia perceived as enemies at the time (all of Europe) could be reached with planes without a carrier, Russia is 1/3rd of earths landmass, tanks and anti-air installations make a lot more sense to protect that, which is why they always had and still have by far the most tanks and anti-air installations. Them having aircraft carriers in the game at some point isn't as big of a stretch as Germany having them, Germany never built one, at least Russia built a few. The soviet union failed, many starved, but brushing off the soviet military prowess as insignificant is historically illiterate. They're still powerful today, the west wanted to get Assad, Russia said no, guess what Assad is drinking Vodka in his palace.

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I almost shat myself thinking they actually were coming.  I think we might see flying baguettes first however before the russians (but then they did get their bb line and heavy cruiser line split before the italians even got dd's so theres that as well).

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17 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

The idea that Russia only ever built a few carriers because they were incapable of it is laughable, the USA is buying up Soviet rockets from the 1950s to fly to the ISS, that's how clever these guys were, they kept the western world locked in an arms race for half a century. To understand why Stalin & most Soviet leaders didn't want aircraft carriers, you only need to look at a world map. All but one of the countries Russia perceived as enemies at the time (all of Europe) could be reached with planes without a carrier, Russia is 1/3rd of earths landmass, tanks and anti-air installations make a lot more sense to protect that, which is why they always had and still have by far the most tanks and anti-air installations. Them having aircraft carriers in the game at some point isn't as big of a stretch as Germany having them, Germany never built one, at least Russia built a few. The soviet union failed, many starved, but brushing off the soviet military prowess as insignificant is historically illiterate. They're still powerful today, the west wanted to get Assad, Russia said no, guess what Assad is drinking Vodka in his palace.

Sorry old chap but we do need to have a word or two.

 

1) Stalin DID want a big ocean fleet and this included carriers. Kuznetsov DID want carriers because the Russians were not totally unaware of what the US was getting up to in the Pacific. Gorshkov DID want carriers because of his strong aim to actually turn the VMF into a blue-water Navy.  Of the three Gorshkov came close but alas, he was dealing with an army-centric mindset still in love with the idea of big tank battles, lots of artillery, etc.

 

2) Their ambitions were about 30 years ahead of their capability to do so. Let's not kid ourselves that Soviet Russia never built carriers because they never wanted them, they wouldn't have gone to the enormous expense of Moskva, Kiev and the amazing self-combusting special K. Thats a lot of effort for something they apparently never wanted or needed.....

 

3) The failure of Soviet Naval aviation led to the creation of other avenues - the monster Kirovs and SSGNs like the Oscars to make up the shortfall in long-range punch. The bastion concept of keeping SSBNs close to friendly shores where they can be kept out of harms way. The utility of a mobile airfield that can travel around most of our 60% water covered planet was still very desirable and if the Soviet defence industry had actually got it's act together - they may well have got one that isn't quite such a figure of fun.

 

All of the above is supported by RUSSIAN archive sources which I can happily provide should you wish to look them up. 

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Well. there is a CV line released every year, so soviet CVs next year are inevitable like Thanos :Smile_trollface:

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1 hour ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Russia is 1/3rd of earths landmass

You need to stop looking at Mercator maps, methinks :fish_book:

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Vor 14 Minuten, Uglesett sagte:

You need to stop looking at Mercator maps, methinks :fish_book:

He is probably confusing Russia with Eurasia - or he has found Comrade Putin's wishlist.

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2 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

The idea that Russia only ever built a few carriers because they were incapable of it is laughable, the USA is buying up Soviet rockets from the 1950s to fly to the ISS, that's how clever these guys were, they kept the western world locked in an arms race for half a century. To understand why Stalin & most Soviet leaders didn't want aircraft carriers, you only need to look at a world map. All but one of the countries Russia perceived as enemies at the time (all of Europe) could be reached with planes without a carrier, Russia is 1/3rd of earths landmass, tanks and anti-air installations make a lot more sense to protect that, which is why they always had and still have by far the most tanks and anti-air installations. Them having aircraft carriers in the game at some point isn't as big of a stretch as Germany having them, Germany never built one, at least Russia built a few. The soviet union failed, many starved, but brushing off the soviet military prowess as insignificant is historically illiterate. They're still powerful today, the west wanted to get Assad, Russia said no, guess what Assad is drinking Vodka in his palace.

 

Of course Russia wanted Carriers....they were at war with Japan for decades at a time ( possesion of parts of China being disputed ) and Japan are islands..... And Japan surely had Carriers very early and Russia was ofcourse well aware of that.

 

Why they weren't build when carriers evolved into powerful naval weapons ? Because Germany at that time almost did defeat a weakened Russia before they could gather strenght again and ultimately steamroll them back ? One needs only to look at Russia's losses to see how dire their situation was at some point. And indeed  against such a land based threat you wont be putting recources into ships.

 

But plans existing for Cariers ( before WWII ) are very credible....and concerning plane models that could have been navalized it is even less of a problem.

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2 hours ago, Miragetank90 said:

Should be dropping Tsar Bombas as well in level-bombing mode, to balance it out make them fly from the stratosphere and have the bomb drop reticle be half the size of the map. 

Come now comrade the Tzar is the perk of the special Balansakov unique captain set of by receiving a shell hit against the main hull

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58 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Come now comrade the Tzar is the perk of the special Balansakov unique captain set of by receiving a shell hit against the main hull

does that include soviet march in earrape form too? you know the version everyone has to hear while the guy driving balans moves and see and does everything 5x times faster compared to everyother ship in the same match still stuck at x1 speed?

 

oh thats its spe- *kgb agents kick the door down and 1000 smoke and flash grenades fly into the room*

 

*angreh kgb noises and gunfire*

 

halp!

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Another load of fantasy ships is coming. But unlike the fantasy german carriers, the russian one will surely be op cause... Reasons

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earing USRR hymn just gave me the urge to play my Moskva

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Seriously, stahp... this is how thunderer started out, too... a jest on LWM's behalf... who would have known then! :Smile_veryhappy:

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By the Way the Video was posted on Youtube at the 17.4.2020.

Since then we got no more Information about that Topic.

So I say Wargaming just made a very funny Joke but Plans for actuall Russian CVs will look differently.

If they come at all?

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The Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier, Soviet designation Project 11435, is a class of fixed-wing aircraft carriers operated by the Russian and Chinese navies

 

£200.00

 

planes HP 9000

Torpedo Damage  10k per hit

Carpet bomb AP  citadel 40%

 

 

 

russian-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-bert-mailer.jpg

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17 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

Without a doubt RU wanted carriers as other nations used them post WWI and without a doubt made paper plans ( just like other never built RU ships )  to aquire them that never came to be.  And that is enough for WG to ""make them come to life" in game.

Actually no, there was Project 71 but that was pre-WWII and then Project 72 in the 1943, Project 71 was based on a Chapaev hull and were approved to be constructed but then German Tourism happened as Project 72 was 1943 and similar to Project 71 but twice as large ... the next one was Project 85 (1956) that was supposed to carry naval versions of the MiG-19 and that never got anywhere. There was also that Izmail conversion in 1927 that also got nowhere.

 

There is some material to work with, 71 could be the T4, Izmail the T6 (its would kinda be comparable with Lex) and 72 the T8 with who knows what they would do for a T10, maybe turn Soyuz into one I guess, its hard to talk about it considering how ... well Soviet design was based on the Graf Zeppelin because they were the only ones willing to let then see their  carrier stuff (Italians too but Italians were battleships) and they barely knew more that Soviets did, learning from the Japanese so what  you would get would either be a Soviet Graf Zeppelin that is a stupid design or a copy of the Essex class in case they come to their senses and followed a design rooted in experience instead of KLAUS! ZE NEED MORE WAFFEN! that the Germans keep doing for their RAIDERS OF THE ATLANTIC.

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20 hours ago, Widar_Thule said:

TheGreatBlasto posted something funny on the WOWS NA forum:

 

 

The original WOWS NA forum topic posted by TheGreatBlasto can be found here:

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/222989-russian-carriers-are-coming/

As long as they don't have any t4 cv it will be fine. t4 cv's should be removed or changed to t5. 

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