Share your ranked Massa builds and results

[MassiveDYT]

Hey everyone, was interested in what everyone is running on their Massas for the Tier 8 ranked battles.

I'm most interested to see if anyone is running IFHE with great success because of being a top tier ship and being able to pen all cruisers?

[_HomTanks_]

27 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

Hey everyone, was interested in what everyone is running on their Massas for the Tier 8 ranked battles.

I'm most interested to see if anyone is running IFHE with great success because of being a top tier ship and being able to pen all cruisers?

No need IFHE 

[MassiveDYT]

Just now, Execute0rder66 said:

No need IFHE 

why not? at tier 8 massa secondaries penetrate all cruisers and then some

[_HomTanks_]

Just now, MassiveDYT said:

why not? at tier 8 massa secondaries penetrate all cruisers and then some

It does fine without IFHE and 4 points can be used for something else.

[MassiveDYT]

9 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

It does fine without IFHE and 4 points can be used for something else.

 

Not sure if i can agree with anything you're saying, sorry. 

 

In randoms - sure, but in ranked I don't care about doing fine, I care about being as effective as possible. To me being able to ignore armor of all cruiser with Massas chad secondaries seems like a no brainer 

[HEspammerNo1]

37 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

To me being able to ignore armor of all cruiser with Massas chad secondaries seems like a no brainer 

Massas secs cant pen all cruisers at T8. With IFHE they only pen 26mm afaik, Baltimore for example has 27mm.

 

 

[MassiveDYT]

1 minute ago, HEspammerNo1 said:

Massas secs cant pen all cruisers at T8. With IFHE they only pen 26mm afaik, Baltimore for example has 27mm.

 

 

Hmm, alright thats fair, any other cruisers have 27+ at tier 8?

[HEspammerNo1]

18 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

Hmm, alright thats fair, any other cruisers have 27+ at tier 8?

All CAs with a few exceptions. CLs have in most cases at least 27mm deck armor.

[MassiveDYT]

4 minutes ago, HEspammerNo1 said:

All CAs with a few exceptions. CLs have in most cases at least 27mm deck armor.

Not Talin, not Chepayev, not Cleveland, Mogami and Charles martel only has 27 mm in the middle, the rest is 25, not Edinbruh, not Amalfi,

 

 

Hipper and Baltimroe seem to be the only ones with 27 all round.

 

So when you say ALL, it's not really all is it?

[Yedwy]

36 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

Hmm, alright thats fair, any other cruisers have 27+ at tier 8?

Yes Hipper/Eugen, BTW I dont find IFHE mandatory either actually I prefer to keep the fire chance 

[Ocsimano18]

I run IFHE, and it's very ineffective in ranked. There are a lot more BBs than cruisers. Against BBs the fire chance is more important. I was against another Massa. She set two fires on me, I damage controlled, then she set three fires on me. Game over.

[Beastofwar]

4 hours ago, MassiveDYT said:

Call the original owner of the account, maybe he can articulate why he didn't take IFHE on Massa? His opinion will be far more valuable than yours bud.

 

Fun fact, I don't run IFHE either, but at least I can elaborate why 

 

 

Small caliber secondaries were to defend against fast and small targets IRL. And in game they are more or less so too. ( when skills and modules are taken )

 

You need the 150+ mm secondaries against Cruiser plating and BB plating ( every plating around their armour belt )  the smaller secondaries only penetrate the superstructure. ( and most secondaries already do that with no skills and modules )  But since it will not citadel them, you reduce fire chance 50 % with IFHE and AI gunners will never be as accurate as player aimed ( Cruiser caliber ) guns  the damage will be limited. They can penetrate bows and sterns but do not have the accuracy to do that with multiple shells per salvo if at all. Although some ships can produce 1/3 of their damage as secondary caused.

 

Since US BB don't have 150+ mm  and you want to damage BB with them, then DE ( slightly increased fire chance )  is your best choice. But note when you fight close range the AI gunners will shatter most shells on the thick side armour. They seem to aim for centre mass of ships which does not work too well for small guns against BB ( or Cruisers ) since that is where the armour belt is. Most Cruisers have 50 mm minimum up to well over 100 mm. That is why i have concluded small caliber secondaries are meant against DD that are penetrated everywhere at every angle.

 

But then also DD are supposed to be concealed.....secondaries do not fire on invisible enemies so it will only be usefull of someone unveils the DD. So it is a very circumstancial weapon. Which indeed sometimes can kill DD at respectable ranges. Especially when they are engaged with other targets and caught in the extended range. Since BB main guns do not rotate in a whirl that may give you kills you could not get without the build. It is a good practise with manual secondaries to right click on the nearest spotted DD whenever it is first seen no matter what range. The AI gunners will remember it all match whenever it suddenly pops up in range again. They will open fire sooner then you know it is there. The risk is with such a build you forget to right click and secondaries will not fire at all and an enenmy  DD can pactically come along sideways at 0,1 km with you facing half a minute turn time on your main turrets to even fire on it.

 

Everyone that played a large "derp" caliber KV and is caught by a speedy light tank that just cicles you to shoot you in a weak spot knows how vulnerable you are with large guns. DD can be much the same as close range launched torpedos rarely miss. But at least one can have anti-DD defensive weapons that prevent ( or when skills/modulles are not taken : discourage ) such things.

[ForlornSailor]

4 hours ago, MassiveDYT said:

I'm rank 1 every ranked season.

 

You have exactly one time reached rank 1. And then you jump another guys throat? Who is completly right btw.

 

Just dont reply. no time for another useless back´n´forth talk with no sense. Just wanted to point out you lie and post in support of @Execute0rder66. he is right. end of story. dont believe us. we dont care either.

[Malim0o]

Tbh IFHE is a waste of points on any secondary BB (ofc it's only my point of view).

 

 

[Saltface]

4 hours ago, MassiveDYT said:

I'm rank 1 every ranked season. Go be useless somewhere else please.

You rank out only in sprints and you have ranked out ONCE and it took you 413 battles to do so.

On the other hand the guy that gave you the advice has 8 times more battles than you, is a hugely better player than you and has ranked out so many times that I am bored to count.

And it did not take him 413 battles to do so.

 

Dude, your attitude sucks. 

4 hours ago, MassiveDYT said:

Fun fact,

3 hours ago, MassiveDYT said:

So when you say ALL, it's not really all is it?

You ranked out only once, didn't you?

 

you are not worth the typing effort of anyone in this forum.

 

Tag: @Execute0rder66

[_DeathWing_]

lol this topic is actually a backfire now 

[MassiveDYT]

2 hours ago, Saltface said:

You rank out only in sprints and you have ranked out ONCE and it took you 413 battles to do so.

On the other hand the guy that gave you the advice has 8 times more battles than you, is a hugely better player than you and has ranked out so many times that I am bored to count.

And it did not take him 413 battles to do so.

 

Dude, your attitude sucks. 

You ranked out only once, didn't you?

 

you are not worth the typing effort of anyone in this forum.

 

Tag: @Execute0rder66

 

Yes, I have Unicum accounts that i've purchased as well, whats your point? In fact I have a 78% win rate, 45k battles super unicum account with every possible ship in the game unlocked, if I log into that one will it make my points more valid?

 

 

Invalid points are still invalid, the person you are defending is still incapable of explaining why IFHE is not useful apart from "i don't use it, therefore",  and on top of it all as I mentioned I don't even use IFHE myself, lol

[MassiveDYT]

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[Beastofwar]

4 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

 

if I log into that one will it make my points more valid?

 

 

In the logic of some here...yes

[MassiveDYT]

Just now, Beastofwar said:

In the logic of some here...yes

[DFens_666]

14 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

In fact I have a 78% win rate, 45k battles super unicum account with every possible ship in the game unlocked, if I log into that one will it make my points more valid?

 

Except you just make that up, since that doesnt exist

So if anything, it makes everything you say less valid because you like to make stuff and present it as facts.

[Cyclops_]

[ForlornSailor]

32 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

In the logic of some here...yes

 

And you are doing it again.

 

38 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

Yes, I have Unicum accounts that i've purchased as well, whats your point? In fact I have a 78% win rate, 45k battles super unicum account with every possible ship in the game unlocked, if I log into that one will it make my points more valid?

 

Again, you are telling lies. Boring.

[Beastofwar]

1 minute ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

And you are doing it again.

 

 

No what he says is a fact, not some insult or verbal attack.

 

 

[DFens_666]

Just now, Beastofwar said:

No what he says is a fact, not some insult or verbal attack.

 

If what he claim would be true, he most likely wouldnt even need to ask - he would know it himself