[FMJ] Gebbly Players 182 posts Report post #1 Posted July 24, 2020 It seems to be often stated that playing bottom tier ships is done to beat up on new players that arent as good. This may be the case for some. However I just enjoy playing a lot of those low tier ships. Simpler gameplay without things like radar, spotter planes, heals and if you got right down to tier 1 or 2 no planes. I often play bottom tier co-op to have fun in the more basic ships but avoid feeling like I'm beating up on new players. Sometimes in comments it seems like others enjoy the low tier ships too. Perhaps the MM could be tweaked a little so that in random battles those that had played more than a certain number of matches would not be put in a match with those that had played under that threshold number? That way we could all enjoy even the lowest tier ships without feeling like we were picking on the new players. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted July 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gebbly said: It seems to be often stated that playing bottom tier ships is done to beat up on new players that arent as good. This may be the case for some. However I just enjoy playing a lot of those low tier ships. Simpler gameplay without things like radar, spotter planes, heals and if you got right down to tier 1 or 2 no planes. I often play bottom tier co-op to have fun in the more basic ships but avoid feeling like I'm beating up on new players. Sometimes in comments it seems like others enjoy the low tier ships too. Perhaps the MM could be tweaked a little so that in random battles those that had played more than a certain number of matches would not be put in a match with those that had played under that threshold number? That way we could all enjoy even the lowest tier ships without feeling like we were picking on the new players. Newbie protection was just increased to 200 battles... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #3 Posted July 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gebbly said: Perhaps the MM could be tweaked a little so that in random battles those that had played more than a certain number of matches would not be put in a match with those that had played under that threshold number? That way we could all enjoy even the lowest tier ships without feeling like we were picking on the new players. This is already the case. Players with less then 200 games on their account cant be matches up against anyone with 201+ games in matches of T1 to T4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #4 Posted July 24, 2020 We could need the same for hightiers 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FMJ] Gebbly Players 182 posts Report post #5 Posted July 24, 2020 Really? Thats really good to hear. So I can play random battles without worrying that my not-quite-so-potato isnt putting off completely-fresh-potato from playing the game :) If there is a mechanism in place it seems odd that some still feel that playing lowest tier ships is seal clubbing. [Edit: Oh and thanks for the info ColonelPete and ForlornSailor] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BHSFL] Beastofwar [BHSFL] Players 4,596 posts Report post #6 Posted July 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, Gebbly said: It seems to be often stated that playing bottom tier ships is done to beat up on new players that arent as good. This may be the case for some. However I just enjoy playing a lot of those low tier ships. Simpler gameplay without things like radar, spotter planes, heals and if you got right down to tier 1 or 2 no planes. I often play bottom tier co-op to have fun in the more basic ships but avoid feeling like I'm beating up on new players. Sometimes in comments it seems like others enjoy the low tier ships too. Perhaps the MM could be tweaked a little so that in random battles those that had played more than a certain number of matches would not be put in a match with those that had played under that threshold number? That way we could all enjoy even the lowest tier ships without feeling like we were picking on the new players. Putting rediculous "worth" on a high WR, and then claiming you are a game expert and the only one that may speak ( and behave in toxic ways toward lower WR players - often without punishment - ) does that for you......it is called "perverted stimilus" And ruiining the game experience of less experienced players for personal gain ( that is outside of the game reward system ) is not the only game experience ruiining things these individuals do....But beware....you can even be forum banned adressing it as forums seem the place to bragg and boast with very suspicious high WR's, and using them to tell others to shut up. But then again all PvP games suffer such individuals. It is nothing special sadly. Probably just Human nature, some needing to feel better then others and if they are ( very often ) not, do everything possible to make appear they are. The expression "seal clubbing" did not originate from this game.... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #7 Posted July 24, 2020 32 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: We could need the same for hightiers But... but... sealclubbing tier 10s with tier 8 is peak of this game 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #8 Posted July 24, 2020 The only thing needed in my view, is a cap on captain skills. Tier 5 and lower, captains with under 10 points. Problem solved. Being a veteran and playing well at tier 4 is not seal clubbing. A three-man Vampire-Kuma-Hosho division, each with 15-point captains, is just being an a$&h&(e and what makes low tiers unfun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BHSFL] Beastofwar [BHSFL] Players 4,596 posts Report post #9 Posted July 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: The only thing needed in my view, is a cap on captain skills. Tier 5 and lower, captains with under 10 points. Problem solved. If i can get away with ending up 1st place in T8 ranked in a 8 km (!) "concealed" DD because of a low point captain, and with not public stats considered to be a bad player.....where does that leave your theory ? I'm affraid exactly knowing how game mechanics work ( acting in tiers with still inexperienced players ) is a much higher advantage then skills/modules that give slight advantages. And very important : these slight advantages skills and modules give need to be actively incoperated in your tactics ! Fail that and they do nothing. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #10 Posted July 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: The only thing needed in my view, is a cap on captain skills. Tier 5 and lower, captains with under 10 points. Problem solved. Only relevant captain skill is Concealment and for destroyers, Last Stand. Rest is "nice to have" but hardly "must have". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #11 Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Panocek said: Only relevant captain skill is Concealment and for destroyers, Last Stand. Rest is "nice to have" but hardly "must have". Hence my 9 point cutoff ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #12 Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Beastofwar said: If i can get away with ending up 1st place in T8 ranked in a 8 km (!) "concealed" DD because of a low point captain, and with not public stats considered to be a bad player.....where does that leave your theory ? I'm affraid exactly knowing how game mechanics work ( acting in tiers with still inexperienced players ) is a much higher advantage then skills/modules that give slight advantages. And very important : these slight advantages skills and modules give need to be actively incoperated in your tactics ! Fail that and they do nothing. I agree absolutely. Level the playing field (captain points), then let the best tactician win. Obviously more experienced players will have the advantage, but that's not seal clubbing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #13 Posted July 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I agree absolutely. Level the playing field (captain points), then let the best tactician win. Obviously more experienced players will have the advantage, but that's not seal clubbing. The real problem is, that we have captain skills, that give you a huge advantage, so they are a straight up must have. If you think, a T5 DD with a 10 point captain is sealclubbing, because he has concealment expert - then you surly think, a T8 DD is sealclubbing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #14 Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, ColonelPete said: Newbie protection was just increased to 200 battles... A whooping protection! I'm sure the 201th battle they're read to go against people like El2 in a tier 4 CV! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #15 Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said: A whooping protection! I'm sure the 201th battle they're read to go against people like El2 in a tier 4 CV! 200 battles is long enough to get out of Tier IV such unicums are rarely found on Tier IV... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #16 Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: Tier 5 and lower, captains with under 10 points. Problem solved. *Maybe*, but T4 and lower - T5s get +2 MM, and really rather need access to at least ten-pointers. The obvious down-side for WG would be that they would stop selling 10 point captains to newbies as they couldn't use them any more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #17 Posted July 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Verblonde said: *Maybe*, but T4 and lower - T5s get +2 MM, and really rather need access to at least ten-pointers. The obvious down-side for WG would be that they would stop selling 10 point captains to newbies as they couldn't use them any more... Fair points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #18 Posted July 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Gebbly said: It seems to be often stated that playing bottom tier ships is done to beat up on new players that arent as good. This may be the case for some. However I just enjoy playing a lot of those low tier ships. Simpler gameplay without things like radar, spotter planes, heals and if you got right down to tier 1 or 2 no planes. I often play bottom tier co-op to have fun in the more basic ships but avoid feeling like I'm beating up on new players. Sometimes in comments it seems like others enjoy the low tier ships too. Perhaps the MM could be tweaked a little so that in random battles those that had played more than a certain number of matches would not be put in a match with those that had played under that threshold number? That way we could all enjoy even the lowest tier ships without feeling like we were picking on the new players. I don’t usually play low tiers except when I re-grind some lines. But when I do, I club the clubbers 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TLLP] DDIGITALDNR Players 19 posts 1,040 battles Report post #19 Posted July 24, 2020 I enjoy the low tiers as it's reminder of the older days of WoWs with Close Combat and guns going off all directions. Higher Tier Meta with the CVs and HE Spam melting deck armour means a lack of decent brawls most games as everybody is afraid of going beyond 12 KM. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellbion_Noobspawn Players 10 posts 648 battles Report post #20 Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 11:28 AM, Gebbly said: Perhaps the MM could be tweaked a little so that in random battles those that had played more than a certain number of matches would not be put in a match with those that had played under that threshold number? That way we could all enjoy even the lowest tier ships without feeling like we were picking on the new players. If WG did that think of all the Peacocks who claim their WR is so good... If they actually had to play the higher tiers their WR would come crashing to the ground and their computers, their Laptops would be all flooded out by their salty tears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious007 Players 157 posts 21,148 battles Report post #21 Posted July 26, 2020 I do enjoy some tier IV to VII sometimes. Life is much simpler then especially at tier IV and V Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #22 Posted July 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Hellbion_Noobspawn said: If WG did that think of all the Peacocks who claim their WR is so good... If they actually had to play the higher tiers their WR would come crashing to the ground and their computers, their Laptops would be all flooded out by their salty tears. WG already did that, as explained... No salty tears detected, except yours... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellbion_Noobspawn Players 10 posts 648 battles Report post #23 Posted July 26, 2020 39 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: WG already did that, as explained... No salty tears detected, except yours... Why would I cry? I love chewing on Peacocks.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #24 Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hellbion_Noobspawn said: Why would I cry? I love chewing on Peacocks.... Because of all the salt in your eyes, you are basicly overflowing with it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #25 Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 3:38 PM, Verblonde said: *Maybe*, but T4 and lower - T5s get +2 MM, and really rather need access to at least ten-pointers. which wouldn't work, as the T4 would still have to face T5 with the 10pt captains then... so not really anything solved... ^^ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
