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I'll be a pariah, I'll be tarred and feathered and neg repped to infinity and beyond (pardon the cliche'). My children will be ostracised and my wife turned away from the food bank. Our lives, in todays current social climate and businesses blatantly rapidly declining moral standards and code of ethics, will be much different. On the forums, I'll be permanently marked for my ridiculousness. But it's ok, sometimes a person shouldn't be afraid to stand up and speak, even if they know it's contrary to mainstream opinion.

 

Jokes aside, my point is this: Looking at the premium shop and the currently on-sale Azur Lane commander packs, etc. I notice the artwork of the young 'girls' on display is rather expressive in terms of boobs. Is this appropriate given the relatively young age of players allowed to play this game? Secondly, why is there such a strong appeal by more mature men toward this type of thing? This is surely the blatant objectification of younger girls?

 

Anyhow, it's likely just the father in me toward protecting my daughters but worth hearing why so many 'guys' are so drawn to it so much given its popularity. Forgive any assumptions I've made and have a lovely day.

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A good question.....

 

Firstly,  Anime is Japanese and the age of consent in Japan is 13...

A quick search revealed it's 14 for China.

Also it's Anime.... not real actual photos.

 

Being a female type person myself I have the view of 'Look but don't Touch',

guys staring doesn't bother me but touching earns a punch in the face.:cap_rambo:

 

 

Also, getting funny now:

It has been proven that the sight of boobs reduces men's IQ by 50%, per boob:cap_cool:

And

at least they don't have Captain Rias Gremory.......... (definitely NSFW!!!!!)

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25 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said:

It has been proven that the sight of boobs reduces men's IQ by 50%, per boob

Sooo is it additively or multiplicatively ? Because if it's additively men would litterally die when they see boobs which and that would requalify flashing as attempt murder.

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I never understood where do people find the appeal for anime/weeb stuff. Like you said, it's objectifies young girls and it sends wrong message to kids. Or maybe we are just too old to understand. :Smile_sceptic:

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I said this before, those weebs are all a bunch of degenerates 

 

BAN THE THOTS

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18 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

those weebs are all a bunch of degenerates 

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1 hour ago, quickr said:

so_say_we_all1.gif

 

1 hour ago, Miragetank90 said:

I said this before, those weebs are all a bunch of degenerates 

 

BAN THE THOTS

 

I feel like my life in danger. 

Weebs not welcome or something?

 

Anyway... The reason you might be seeing so many

3 hours ago, Shaka_D said:

young 'girls' on display is rather expressive in terms of boobs

is because Cruisers and DDs are being represented by girls or younger age in the game of Azur Lane. On the contrary, the BBs and CVs of course are represented by more mature characters. Boobs on the other hand are representing the Main armament or Armor of the ship in question. Thus some can appear more "robust" then others on certain characters.

 

Furthermore...

why the hell did I write this. where did i go wrong in life to know these things...

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You really want to get offended? So check CG's of Italian destroyers in Azur Lane rival named Kantai Collection :Smile_trollface: But I warned you :Smile_trollface:

 

As underage girl you mean Yukikaze and Admiral Hipper? The first is definitely very tamed in comparison to the some other designs and last one definitely isn't busty. They really choose tamed characters for collab.

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31 minutes ago, Srle_Vigilante said:

 

Weebs not welcome or something?

 

 

Joking aside, I really hate this word, to be honest.

It didn't exist when I first got into anime/manga etc 16(?) years ago. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

Joking aside, I really hate this word, to be honest.

It didn't exist when I first got into anime/manga etc 16(?) years ago. 

 

 

I got into it when it started so I don't mind it.

Personally I find that not every weeb is a Weeaboo :Smile_veryhappy:

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4 hours ago, Molly_Delaney said:

age of consent in Japan is 13...

This is a myth.

 

3 hours ago, quickr said:

it's objectifies young girls and it sends wrong message to kids. Or maybe we are just too old to understand. :Smile_sceptic:

"Objectifies young girls"

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:Smile_trollface:

 

2 hours ago, Miragetank90 said:

I said this before, those weebs are all a bunch of degenerates

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DEGENELATES!:cap_horn:

 

27 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

As underage girl you mean [...] Admiral Hipper?

I really don't think @Shaka_D could be referring to Hipper, as she's at least as old as her younger sister.:Smile_trollface:

 

57 minutes ago, Srle_Vigilante said:

is because Cruisers and DDs are being represented by girls or younger age in the game of Azur Lane. On the contrary, the BBs and CVs of course are represented by more mature characters.

I can think of a couple examples that go against what you have described.

 


 

In all honesty, the problem @Shaka_D and others face is that the only anime-esque thing that gets associated with WoWS are things that combine the quality of "moe" with the quality of "cool" - such as girls and warships.

They might be able to see another side to the weeb culture if they take a look in places that do not focus solely on "moe" factors to sell.

Such as Touken Ranbu series, that depicts historical Japanese swords as attractive men (although, if we're being fair, "moe" does not necessarily have to apply solely to women). Or the Fate/ series, that turns historical and mythological figures into "servants", magical embodiments of their past selves who fight for the sake of mankind's future.

Hell, maybe you guys should have a look at the "Anime" thread on these forums and find some of us weeb's recommendations:

Long story short, if there's one anime all fans will recommend to you, it's Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.

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3 minutes ago, LOZFFVII said:

Long story short, if there's one anime all fans will recommend to you, it's Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.

 

Good to start off.

 

Then somewhere along the way Gurren Lagann has to be recommended as a must watch. 

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5 hours ago, Shaka_D said:

I notice the artwork of the young 'girls' on display is rather expressive in terms of boobs. Is this appropriate given the relatively young age of players allowed to play this game?

 

What's the age rating of this game? 14? Pretty sure everyone has seen at least softcore porn at this point even if it wasn't legal. I'd say AL designs displayed in WoWs are rather mild in comparison. They've clearly been chosen with the game's age rating in mind, otherwise they could have gone with something WAY worse.

 

5 hours ago, Shaka_D said:

Secondly, why is there such a strong appeal by more mature men toward this type of thing? This is surely the blatant objectification of younger girls?

 

First of all, how old do you think these characters are? I'm genuinely curious of how their age is perceived to someone unfamiliar with the medium.

Personally all except Yukikaze look at least above 16 years old to me.

 

As for objectification and why this attracts so many people...

In case of the younger girls, ever thought of your daughters as cute? Surely you have, right? Therein lies your answer to that pretty much.

In case of the older ones, ever thought of an actress as hot? That should answer that.

As long as you can keep differentiating between reality and fiction there shouldn't be any issue in regards of objectification. It's no different to video games, movies, comics, magazines and the like.

(Also ironically Azur Lane has a morale system. Treat your girls badly, they'll start to hate you. You could argue that this encourages people to treat women right rather than objectify them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

 

The developer is also exemplary when it comes to community engagement, player feedback, compensation, marketing and monetization. There is absolutely no need to pay for anything, you can easily get anything and everything gameplay related for free. You even get a ton of premium currency just for playing. There is no pressure to buy anything whatsoever beyond what you put on yourself.

That is why I'm very much willing to spend quite a bit of money on the game. It's not only to see some glorious anime tiddies, it is to support the devs.

 

Also I can appreciate the art, especially since I draw stuff from time to time as a hobby myself. Yes, I went there. It's art damnit!

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1 hour ago, LOZFFVII said:

This is a myth.

 

 

 

Check your law.....

 

Quote "Japan statutory rape law is violated when an individual has consensual sexual contact with a person under age 13. At 13, Japan's base age of consent is the lowest of any developed country. However, many prefectures also have local "corruption of minors" or "obscenity statutes" (淫行条例) which raise the de-facto age of consent to 16-18, unless they are in a "sincere romantic relationship", usually determined by parental consent. For example, the effective age of consent in Tokyo by local statute is 18. The age of marriage is 16 for girls and 18 for boys with parental permission, and 20 otherwise (as stated in " ナス邃「窶慊カ窶「ナクナスニ停?邸", the Child Welfare Act of Japan."

 

So the age of consent is 13 unless raised by local prefecture statutes. It is about 18 like most nations unless the couple are in a genuine relationship with parental permission. Sounds far more grow-up than most western societies where at 15 & 364 days you're a child and at 16 you're an adult for somethings but can't buy your own smokes or booze......

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@Molly_Delaney I fail to see how what you have quoted actually proves me wrong. It's not like you (let's say you're 24) can go into a random social event in Japan, chat up a 14 year old and then take them back to a love hotel and spend the night, is it? No, the requirement for parental consent basically acts as a de-facto legal age of consent. (Also, most countries in the world make allowances for "sincere romantic relationship" i.e. if the relationship is sanctioned by the parents and the age gap isn't taking the p*ss - you won't find many UK counties or the States that will prosecute a pair of 15yo's for having some fun behind their parent's backs)

Also, legal age for majority in Japan (i.e. for smoking/drinking/voting/etc.) is 20. So your second point is also moot.

[EDIT: Fact check, looks like Japan dropped it's voting age from 20 to 18 two years ago, so I'm a little out-of-date for that one. But smoking and drinking you need to be 20 in Japan.]

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9 hours ago, Srle_Vigilante said:

is because Cruisers and DDs are being represented by girls or younger age in the game of Azur Lane. On the contrary, the BBs and CVs of course are represented by more mature characters. Boobs on the other hand are representing the Main armament or Armor of the ship in question. Thus some can appear more "robust" then others on certain characters.

 

In AL there are plenty exceptions tho. I believe KC is more inline on that.

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19 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

The developer is also exemplary when it comes to community engagement, player feedback, compensation, marketing and monetization.

This is something very rare nowadays. And then, only "drama" I recall surrounding AL involved certain Halloween loading screen...

 

I suppose, if all you can reee about is hilariously overdrawn Halloween screen (that came from community contest no less), then odds are Manjuu/Yongshi together with Yostar as publisher do pretty good job at managing their game. Players want cute girls (with definition of "cute" varying), devs deliver alongside skins of varying flavors, everybody happy.

 

And then collab with WoWs - its night and day how companies handle it. WG considers it ez moneygrab, with AL you get all "collab" content for free, skins arrive later, sometimes much later. Granted, getting these shipgrills requires considerable effort, but even if you skip "cute" part, they are top of the line in terms of combat effectiveness.

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55 minutes ago, Panocek said:

This is something very rare nowadays. And then, only "drama" I recall surrounding AL involved certain Halloween loading screen...

And even then (I heard) the artist actually admitted to deliberately trying to stir up trouble with that one, so he/she kinda got what they wanted.:Smile_teethhappy:

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On 7/24/2020 at 4:51 PM, El2aZeR said:

 

What's the age rating of this game? 14? Pretty sure everyone has seen at least softcore porn at this point even if it wasn't legal. I'd say AL designs displayed in WoWs are rather mild in comparison. They've clearly been chosen with the game's age rating in mind, otherwise they could have gone with something WAY worse.

 

 

First of all, how old do you think these characters are? I'm genuinely curious of how their age is perceived to someone unfamiliar with the medium.

Personally all except Yukikaze look at least above 16 years old to me.

 

As for objectification and why this attracts so many people...

In case of the younger girls, ever thought of your daughters as cute? Surely you have, right? Therein lies your answer to that pretty much.

In case of the older ones, ever thought of an actress as hot? That should answer that.

As long as you can keep differentiating between reality and fiction there shouldn't be any issue in regards of objectification. It's no different to video games, movies, comics, magazines and the like.

(Also ironically Azur Lane has a morale system. Treat your girls badly, they'll start to hate you. You could argue that this encourages people to treat women right rather than objectify them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

 

The developer is also exemplary when it comes to community engagement, player feedback, compensation, marketing and monetization. There is absolutely no need to pay for anything, you can easily get anything and everything gameplay related for free. You even get a ton of premium currency just for playing. There is no pressure to buy anything whatsoever beyond what you put on yourself.

That is why I'm very much willing to spend quite a bit of money on the game. It's not only to see some glorious anime tiddies, it is to support the devs.

 

Also I can appreciate the art, especially since I draw stuff from time to time as a hobby myself. Yes, I went there. It's art damnit!

Rather subjective or open to interpretation is what you're alluding to not so? Yes, I see the point, but I also see a fair number of retrospective justifications being made after the fact, such as a number of those you're possibly making (though you'd argue against this). No crime here of course, but the ground upon which the 'artwork' being referenced in my most humble opinion is rather shaky...

 

No doubt it's an acquired taste, and certainly not mine. I find it all rather fetishist and creepy. But what do I know, it's my own interpretation. It could all be innocent, but I also know there are some pretty creepy people out there who might not see this as 'art' - with it appealing more to their more basic instincts. You only need to work with the darker side of humanity for a little while to appreciate the questionable psychology behind many decisions people make.

 

Although, I see the game requires anyone younger than 18 to be supervised apparently, thus no doubt satisfying GDPR requirements in the EU. This in itself means that saucy cartoons are quite ok if intended for a more mature audience. I had initially thought it was far far younger. Still don't like it though and question in my mind those that do....this part I cannot help.

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1 hour ago, Shaka_D said:

I find it all rather fetishist and creepy, and perhaps the wiles of some older men fantasising about younger girls, made even worse by the fact they're 'art' and not real.

 

People who enjoy anime are typically fairly young themselves. There are older fans ofc but the medium didn't really reach mainstream until only a few years ago so the general demographic is on the low end of the spectrum afaik. Personally I estimate average age to be somewhere between 18 and 30.

It's actually no different from gaming if you think about it. If you said that you play video games to pass your free time like 25 or even just 15 years ago you would have gotten called a nerd in school, nowadays it is a perfectly accepted and even cool hobby to have.

 

Ofc there are people who are unhealthily obsessed with anime characters. This is inevitable in any medium you find, again be it video games, movies, comics, etc. and everything else that has a wide appeal. It's a mental disorder that's no different to e.g. drug and alcohol addiction. The cesspit of humanity is deep and you'll find puddles of it pretty much everywhere if you look hard enough.

Generally speaking though most fans of the medium, an in extension of dem anime tiddies, are - maybe aside from some weird quirks they pick up (poi :Smile_trollface:) - perfectly normal people.

And is fantasizing about having sexual relations with an anime chick really all that different from fantasizing about having sexual relations with, say, Black Widow from Avengers? Or Lara Croft from Tomb Raider?

 

Beyond all of this I can really only recommend you to give the medium a try yourself. Doesn't even have to be an entire series, if you want to watch something which sums up most, if not all of the virtues of the medium for only an hour and a half with family I can thoroughly recommend "Your Name".

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On 7/24/2020 at 2:15 PM, Molly_Delaney said:

Caprica Six and that dress!!!

 

:cap_popcorn:

Caprica Six  alone leaves Azur Lane (whatever that is) in the dust by a country mile.

 

No need to call the others nº6's or the other models.

 

Thou, nº3 it's pretty damn good too, and could singled handed take care of Azur Lane effortless

 

It would be nice to have 

Admiral Cain as a commander

Caprica Six

Starbuck 

Colonel Tigh

President Roslin  

And so many others

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbkFUVHptc0

 

 

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On 7/24/2020 at 11:57 AM, Shaka_D said:

I'll be a pariah, I'll be tarred and feathered and neg repped to infinity and beyond (pardon the cliche'). My children will be ostracised and my wife turned away from the food bank. Our lives, in todays current social climate and businesses blatantly rapidly declining moral standards and code of ethics, will be much different. On the forums, I'll be permanently marked for my ridiculousness. But it's ok, sometimes a person shouldn't be afraid to stand up and speak, even if they know it's contrary to mainstream opinion.

 

Jokes aside, my point is this: Looking at the premium shop and the currently on-sale Azur Lane commander packs, etc. I notice the artwork of the young 'girls' on display is rather expressive in terms of boobs. Is this appropriate given the relatively young age of players allowed to play this game? Secondly, why is there such a strong appeal by more mature men toward this type of thing? This is surely the blatant objectification of younger girls?

 

Anyhow, it's likely just the father in me toward protecting my daughters but worth hearing why so many 'guys' are so drawn to it so much given its popularity. Forgive any assumptions I've made and have a lovely day.

 

Weebs tend to be a Fairly Tolerant Bunch. So its unlikely you will be met with Aggression for Voicing an Honest Concern/Opinion.

If you were like some People making Fun of it or just Voicing Hatred for it you might get Trolling or Aggression. But it doesnt look like this is your intention here.

 

 

As for the Topic itself.

I do find it somewhat Surprising that WoWs actually Picked up Azur Lane and other Anime Collabs. (Albeit I do Enjoy it)

In the Western World the Idea of Animation is generally considered something to use on Children Shows. And almost all Animated Movies and Series in the West are Aimed at Children.

But Japanese Anime is actually a bit Different.

Anime in Japan can be Aimed at any Age Group. From Children to Teenagers to Adults and even Including Full Blown R18 Content.

This Definition that Animation can only be used for Children Stuff doesnt Exist in Japan. And thus Anime can have the same Genres as Normal Movies and Series which in the Western World are almost Exclusively done by Actors and Real World Graphics.

Hence. Anime can be a Sitcom or Drama. It can be a Horror Movie, an Action Movie or even a War Movie with Blood and Splatter. It can be an Erotic or XXX Movie or even a Romance and Love Story in Bollywood Style.

It can be Targeted at Primarily Male Viewers (like Azur Lane) or can also be Targeted at Female Viewers. (Which is usually Signified by a much more Male dominated Cast)

 

So indeed many Anime are absolutely not Content to be Viewed by Children. And should Instead be Considered the same as Movies in the Western World.

So just like its not a Good Idea to have your 12 Year old Child watch Hellsing or Blade (You know Vampire Hunting Stuff) its likely not a Good Idea to have him watch Blood-C or Elfen Lied.

 

 

 

Azur Lane to that End however has an Official Age Rating of 12.

Which is not Surprising. As the Theme of giving Ships an Female Avatar with Revealing Clothing can be considered Suggestive. But pretty much nothing actual Adult happens there.

And Honestly said. Any Movie including a Beach Scene is likely showing more Skin than Azur Lane.

 

Now. If you as a Parent would like to be so Strict that Revealing Clothing on Girls is already a No Go for you. Then indeed this might pose a Problem in your Eyes.

But given the General Standards. I would also dare Claiming that your Choice of Media in that case is Extremely Limited.

As Indeed 99% of the Female Characters in Games and Movies dont tend to Run around in Full Covering Robes. And the Women wearing Business Suits are Generally not exactly wearing the Type which would be considered less Suggestive xD

Long Story Short. 

Watching an Hour of TV per Day and thus also Watching roughly 10-15 Minutes of Advertising will likely Show your Daughters worse things than what you Find in Azur Lane xD

 

 

 

 

 

As for the Question. Why are so many People Drawn to it.

The Answer to that is actually Hidden in the Above.

The Truth is Simply that Japanese Anime is not Bound by this "Animation is Purely for Children" Idea.

Therefore. Just like Hollywood Movies or Series. Anime can Appeal to pretty much any Genre.

Anime can have Action Dramas like Terminator. It can be a Funny Sitcom like Two and a Half Men. It can be Horror Movie like Scream. Or simple Family Shows like Sabrina the Witch. You even have Anime doing Detective Series leaning on old Agatha Christi stuff lol. You also get Space Odysseys like Star Trek or more Space Fantasy Universe things like Star Wars.

 

So if there is any Movies or Television Series you like. Chances are that there would also be Anime which Fit this Category and thus be to your Liking.

At least as long as you are not By Default Disliking Animation in itself. Or are so Restricted by the "This is for Kids" Mindset that Watching Anime feels wrong to you.

 

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10 hours ago, Sunleader said:

I do find it somewhat Surprising that WoWs actually Picked up Azur Lane and other Anime Collabs.

 

The story is that the staff of WoWs SEA are big fans of AL and play it constantly, thus they eventually reached out to AL for a collab. Meanwhile AL devs are big fans of WoWs, so they immediately agreed.

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1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

The story is that the staff of WoWs SEA are big fans of AL and play it constantly, thus they eventually reached out to AL for a collab. Meanwhile AL devs are big fans of WoWs, so they immediately agreed.

And then AL took few... ideas from WoWs before collab started. Smoke screen and HE improving skills on Belfast, AP oriented skill on Edinbruh, HE/fire chance skill on Atago would be one quickly top off my head:cap_popcorn:

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