Buff Neptune pls

[Eternus_Damnatio]

Neptune seriously needs a buff a ship just has to look at you funny and you explode the heals are pointless as you hardly ever get to use them. 

For a ship this fragile it turns way too slowly lacking the maneuverability to dodge although it does accelerate well it has high sides and is made out of citadels.
Nothing seems to overpen this thing every shell that hits seems to be doing max damage.
It certainly needs a buff to its maneuverability and probably a bit of a buff to its armor too.
One of the worst performing of all T9 cruisers with the 3rd highest battle count a lot of which I would imagine is down to people needing to play more games to reach T10 than with other cruisers.

 

[Bear__Necessities]

31 minutes ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

Neptune seriously needs a buff a ship just has to look at you funny and you explode the heals are pointless as you hardly ever get to use them. 

For a ship this fragile it turns way too slowly lacking the maneuverability to dodge although it does accelerate well it has high sides and is made out of citadels.
Nothing seems to overpen this thing every shell that hits seems to be doing max damage.
It certainly needs a buff to its maneuverability and probably a bit of a buff to its armor too.
One of the worst performing of all T9 cruisers with the 3rd highest battle count a lot of which I would imagine is down to people needing to play more games to reach T10 than with other cruisers.

 

The light RN cruiser line requires maybe the most skill of all. And as we all know, skill is a large missing factor in the player base. The line is great for the record and Neptune is a solid ship. 

[Eternus_Damnatio]

7 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

The light RN cruiser line requires maybe the most skill of all. And as we all know, skill is a large missing factor in the player base. The line is great for the record and Neptune is a solid ship. 

I have really enjoyed the line and I want to like the Neptune but the damage it takes from a light breeze is crazy as I said nothing even seems to overpen it like you do with other cruisers.
Could maybe live with the way it takes damage if it had better maneuverability at least.
And regardless of skill ceiling it is one of the worst performing T9 cruisers including for the top 5%.
Image linked in OP is with stats set to all
Following image is top 5%

[lossi_2018]

Buff

[Eternus_Damnatio]

And for the record my current stats in the ship

[Bortasqu]

A very small buff in concealment would be nice, keeping in line with the other two (edin and mino).

 

Otherwise it's a great radar ship.

[waxx25]

Purrfectly balanced comrade!

[Eternus_Damnatio]

1 hour ago, Sturmtiger_304 said:

A very small buff in concealment would be nice, keeping in line with the other two (edin and mino).

 

Otherwise it's a great radar ship.

A great ship that is outperformed by pretty much every other T9 which would make it not so great.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 4 Stunden, Bear__Necessities sagte:

The light RN cruiser line requires maybe the most skill of all. And as we all know, skill is a large missing factor in the player base. The line is great for the record and Neptune is a solid ship. 

Agreed. However, I think they could lower the smoke firing penalty to be in line with Edinburgh and Minotaur.

[FukushuNL]

Interesting that you only notice that feature at almost the end of the RN light cruiser line. Every RN cruiser from Caledon upwards only has to be looked at with evil intend to evaporate on the spot. The line is the most fragile of all the lines in the game, because they are essentially huge DDs with citadels. There is nothing wrong with them, people just can't handle them properly most of the time. Those that can, easily top the scoreboard. I have fond memories of my time in the Neptune. It's as sluggish as Edin, but has way better guns and the same wellperforming Super AP. It's just not an easy ship to play with.

[159Hunter]

Your second screen shows it outperforms three other silver cruiser. So we should buff them first?

In all honesty, looking at that screen I see all those cruisers performing more or less equally. So I don't see the need to buff neptune.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

Your second screen shows it outperforms three other silver cruiser. So we should buff them first?

 

@Eternus_Damnatio Id look at the stats from the last weeks to better judge the current performance of Neptune or any ship really: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200704/eu_week/average_ship.html

 

And yea, Seattle and Buffalo are indeed performing worse.

 

About the subject: Thanks to the battlecruisers on T9, that get treated equally as cruisers in the matchmaker, it will be hard to achieve balance in the stats for T9 cruisers. Thats the real problem. And ive argued in the forum for a Neptune buff like... 1,5 years ago and got an offical response, that they dont see a problem and if they see a problem they´d act. Since nothing ever happend - spreadsheet says she is fine. I think, the ship would be more comfortable to play with a buff of concealment and smoke firing penatly, to bring her more inline with Edinburgh and Minotaur. It wouldnt increase her damage output (which is fine for a T9) but rather improve the gameplay experiance. And since Edin and Mino can stealth radar, I dont think there is a reason why Neptune shouldnt? Thats just consistancy. But as I mentioned: good luck in bringing your point across to WG...

[DFens_666]

6 hours ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

Following image is top 5%

 

The problem is, since more people have played Neptune/Ibuki/Roon, the more people are also included in the top 5%.

But as others have said, Neptune could get a small concealment buff, so it drops below 10km. Same for smoke firing penalty, it should be <6km.

[TheBicentennialman]

i got some questions

• are you using Commander or  Unique commander

what skills are you using.

•  what setup you usin for Neptune

Upgrades  or Unique Upgrades

[Ubertron_X]

The biggest problem of the Neptune is that while the Fiji and Edinburgh are still somewhat tanky (within their respective tiers) the Neptune just disintegrates if hit by a wet noodle. So while the former two can at least try to pull off some basic cruiser stuff and get away with it the later simply can't.

[triumphgt6]

5 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

The biggest problem of the Neptune is that while the Fiji and Edinburgh are still somewhat tanky (within their respective tiers) the Neptune just disintegrates if hit by a wet noodle. So while the former two can at least try to pull off some basic cruiser stuff and get away with it the later can't.

Completely agree with you. We are spoiled by the Fiji particularly which is easily the best Tier 7 silver cruiser and the Edinburgh is pretty good with a great heal. The Neptune is just so tall - it needs playing in a different style which I am just no good at. It also has lost its really great feature of superb AA since the CV rework  to an extent. However the rate of fire is good and I cannot see it being buffed.

[Duecut]

The problem with the Neptune isn’t anything technical, it’s how it’s perceived by the community. Take any forum discussion about the Neptune and people will see some variation of “you just look at it and it explodes”

 

everyone sees it as an easy kill, so when you are spotted “everyone” wants to shoot at you. I personally feel it does need a little love but so do so many T9 ships.

[HaachamaShipping]

For T9, Neptune is kind of fine. Even if stats tend towards the lower end, it's not as bad as some other ships that absolutely get left behind in the dust by same tier competition and it's within the acceptable parameters, I guess. I agree though that Neptune can be a pretty harsh experience though, as you have little to no tankiness against anything that overmatches you in exchange for some pretty solid AP dpm. Thus, while the Neptune is maybe ok, it's often just not very fun to play.

 

As others said, if the ship should get buffed, I'd buff its concealment. It is kinda lulzy how Albemarle on the same hull as a heavy cruiser has better concealment than the Neptune and giving Nep the same concealment would make it a bit better already. But hey, if I learned anything from Albemarle, it's to appreciate the 8 torps per side, great dpm and radar Nep can get.

[invicta2012]

3 minutes ago, Duecut said:

everyone sees it as an easy kill, so when you are spotted “everyone” wants to shoot at you

See also: Albemarle. And why not? If you're in a BB this is the exact sort of ship you'll be interested in firing at, it takes citadels from all angles and distances. So best play it as an extended episode of "How Not To be Seen".

[waxx25]

5 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

See also: Albemarle. And why not? If you're in a BB this is the exact sort of ship you'll be interested in firing at, it takes citadels from all angles and distances. So best play it as an extended episode of "How Not To be Seen".

Oh very much yes, Neptune at close range is almost guaranteed damage, angling only lowers the chance of a blap. It's a target I would very much focus in almost any situation.

I did the Neptune grind before smoke changes and that made it VERY strong but it has since received multiple indirect nerfs such as large spotting range when in smoke and the AA nerfs. It seems subpar now.

[creamgravy]

Neptune and Mino have needed a normal citadel hitbox since release.

[albin322]

9 hours ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

And for the record my current stats in the ship

to few games to use that as a point!

[Uglesett]

I didn't like the Neptune grind, and my stats in her are fairly cruddy. But that's not an argument for her being objectively bad.

 

Personally, I'd have found her more comfortable to play if she'd had concealment stats more in line with her predecessors, because one of the things that made her a tricky ship to get to grips with was that it takes a bit of time to get used to her being spotted in situations where Edinburgh and Fiji were "safe".

 

EDIT: Heh. Spot the odd one out in terms of win rate at least... 

[Floofz]

10 hours ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

And for the record my current stats in the ship

 

Because I really dislike people bragging about their stats.

 

Boosting a ships stats by playing in unicum 3 man divisions doesnt tell anyone how good a ship is. This is your solo stats on Neptune. Not as impressive anymore now is it

[Bear__Necessities]

6 hours ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

Agreed. However, I think they could lower the smoke firing penalty to be in line with Edinburgh and Minotaur.

That’s about the only thing that does need to be change I agree.