How you know when they are just good or cheat ?

[GrazyC2]

I see this comment a lot in game when you play good and punish the hell out off players sailing broadside. They report you and call you cheater.

Most of us just say that's imposible to cheat in this game but I must say sometimes it just feels like it but your team just make very stupid decisions and die fast.

Two minutes in the game and half the team is already gone even in Co Op they just straight loose or operation off the week they lose because they don't understand the objective or something.

But back to the question is it possible to cheat and if it is how you recognize it ?

I don't want to know how to cheat nor I want you say how it is done just kind of behavior they show if they should cheat.  Maybe finally people will stop shouting you have aim bots or whatever...

[lossi_2018]

Ofc It is, but this subject is not talked about here or is constructive. Report all suspect activities with a ticket and button, if possible attach a replay or screenshot to the mods/wg directly.

[Verblonde]

10 minutes ago, GrazyC2 said:

is it possible to cheat and if it is how you recognize it ?

My suspicion is that it is eminently possible (look at how many people get banned from WOT for using forbidden mods - I doubt WOWS is that different), but very rare.

 

95%+ (complete guess) of people who accuse you of cheating simply don't understand the game properly...

[ColonelPete]

16 minutes ago, GrazyC2 said:

But back to the question is it possible to cheat and if it is how you recognize it ?

Yes. You do not.

Most good players do not cheat anyway. And bad players, who cheat, are still bad and probably without an account soon.

[GraySlayer]

32 minutes ago, GrazyC2 said:

I see this comment a lot in game when you play good and punish the hell out off players sailing broadside. They report you and call you cheater.

Most of us just say that's imposible to cheat in this game but I must say sometimes it just feels like it but your team just make very stupid decisions and die fast.

Two minutes in the game and half the team is already gone even in Co Op they just straight loose or operation off the week they lose because they don't understand the objective or something.

But back to the question is it possible to cheat and if it is how you recognize it ?

I don't want to know how to cheat nor I want you say how it is done just kind of behavior they show if they should cheat.  Maybe finally people will stop shouting you have aim bots or whatever...

 

It is possible to "Cheat" as there are aimbots available that you can purchase.

 

However!

 

This is a client server game and an aimbot has to wait for server information to update client side and as such it IS faster to aim manually as a consequence than by using one. So for a "good" player they are both pointless and useless. 

 

Also of note is that a "Good" player is not just relying on aim. Aim is only one small aspect of being deemed a "good" player. The others are

 

Positioning

Understanding angling

Understanding when to pick a fight

Understanding when not too

Knowing when and where to push

Knowing your ship intimately

Being confident

Knowing when to go dark

Knowing when to change shell type

 

In A DD they are

 

Knowing when to cap

Knowing when not to

Understanding the importance of spotting

Knowing where you should be

Knowing where you should be next

Playing around radar

Hoping you don't get El2 as the opposing CV player

Avoiding said CV player unless its @El2aZeR and then well just give up really.

Knowing when to use your guns

Planning an ambush with torps

 

The list is endless and if you can find me a "cheat" that encompasses all of the above SKILLS ill be mighty amazed..

 

[lovelacebeer]

I'm sure it's possible to cheat or at the very least have mods that are not allowed, whether they are worth it or not I cannot say I'm wonderfully computer illiterate. 

 

However even if it was 100% impossible to cheat people would still accuse you of cheating, because it's easier for their fragile ego to believe you cheated than you outplayed them or even just got lucky. 

 

Lets face it online gaming is summed up by this;

[Verikoira]

50 minutes ago, GraySlayer said:

 

It is possible to "Cheat" as there are aimbots available that you can purchase.

 

However!

 

This is a client server game and an aimbot has to wait for server information to update client side and as such it IS faster to aim manually as a consequence than by using one. So for a "good" player they are both pointless and useless. 

 

Also of note is that a "Good" player is not just relying on aim. Aim is only one small aspect of being deemed a "good" player. The others are

 

Positioning

Understanding angling

Understanding when to pick a fight

Understanding when not too

Knowing when and where to push

Knowing your ship intimately

Being confident

Knowing when to go dark

Knowing when to change shell type

 

In A DD they are

 

Knowing when to cap

Knowing when not to

Understanding the importance of spotting

Knowing where you should be

Knowing where you should be next

Playing around radar

Hoping you don't get El as the opposing CV player

Avoiding said CV player unless its El and then well just give up really.

Knowing when to use your guns

Planning an ambush with torps

 

The list is endless and if you can find me a "cheat" that encompasses all of the above SKILLS ill be mighty amazed..

 

GraySlayer

put everything i learned in these years.... 

 

my 2 cents...

and there is these seal clubbers... 19 point captains who like to be good.... and they ego drive harrassing t1 to t5 rookies...  

never seen wallhack like in cs or other fps game. like this game shooting trough island... and if you have someshort aim hack... shooting and impack time  is long , and smart enemy aint go like a train... 

bots other hand.... [edited]funny they start moving when they spot you ;) not when you spot them ;)

 

I really think when some "f*****" says hacking, cheating.... i think i did good... and i aint any means be good... just a average gamer

 

later like Arnie and Panda said... take that a compliment and... if guts handle, say : i feast your tiears :D

 

[ArnieDude]

As mentioned, all the important decisions the game makes (RNG, registering hits, info on what you can see) is all determined on the server. So cheating if it does happen is very limited in actual influence on how the games go. Its far more dependent on the playskills that GraySlayer mentioned and after that the RNG of what your salvo's actually accomplish. 

 

Accusations of cheating is merely frustration by those that do not understand the game or would like to blame the failures on anyone but themselves. 

[Pandafaust]

I've never seen any behaviour in game which has made me believe that a player is cheating and gaining an advantage by doing so - although I have seen plenty of people who are "cheating" by using bots to grind xp.

 

I've been accused of it a few times, usually on the traditional lines of "lol, everyone report Panda the hacker, you're going to lose your account I have friends at WG" etc etc. So just the salty ones, after you put a few citadels through them (or torpedoes into them) whilst they're casually boating along in an unwavering straight line.  I've never really understood the whole accusing someone of hacking when they hit you with torpedoes thing, I'm not sure what possible cheats they think you're using. Homing torps that go straight again when spotted?

[Beastofwar]

Players using unfair to solo player setups ( divisioning with creative ship combinations and voice coordination ) the game rules allow for yes.

 

Cheating ? Never noticed it really. 

 

Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Some have a problem with that. 

[_Teob_]

The whole cheating accusations thing is weird. On one hand, I know there are some ways to gain an unfair advantage but WG says they detect and ban people who use it. And I actually believe them because they accidentally banned people who were using a purely aesthetic mod that just changed the graphics but to WG it seemed like it had a similar functionality with cheating just because of what files it used.

 

Now the issue is that there are situations that can appear to be cheating. Recently I was on Heaven in a domination battle and the enemy DD was spotted on the north cap (which they owned) right next to the gap in the islands between the two caps. When our cap (south one) started to be contested I shot at the north of the cap circle, right where a DD would have gone if they had passed between the islands between the caps. I hit him and he could not be convinced at all that I wasn't cheating. I tried explaining that he could only be in that area, that he had been spotted going there etc. He was having none of it. He was sure I was cheating.

I guess my point is that you won't be able to tell if people are cheating anyway. As far as I know in WoWS none of the cheats that were used in the past gave people information that wasn't on screen anyway. It just made it easier to digest that info and especially to aim.

[GrazyC2]

11 minutes ago, Verikoira said:

GraySlayer

put everything i learned in these years.... 

 

my 2 cents...

and there is these seal clubbers... 19 point captains who like to be good.... and they ego drive harrassing t1 to t5 rookies...  

never seen wallhack like in cs or other fps game. like this game shooting trough island... and if you have someshort aim hack... shooting and impack time  is long , and smart enemy aint go like a train... 

bots other hand.... [edited]funny they start moving when they spot you ;) not when you spot them ;)

 

I really think when some "f*****" says hacking, cheating.... i think i did good... and i aint any means be good... just a average gamer

 

Ok to be honest fighting a T1 true T5 game with an 19 point skill commander is a little cheating even with an special commander. In my opinion they cheat.

Same with that mod manager where you can see if a ship reversing or standing still or go forward it's cheating because normally for the naked eye you wouldn't notice and now you see it.

I do not use it because I find it cheating.

But to be honest I find people go back in a game and use a 19 point skill commander not fair for those against you they never have a change to grow higher because thanks to them they lose and the grind is taking forever. If you realy that bored go do something else with your time. leave the game for a while. Because you ruin it for the new players. Or be an sport take a fresh commander and start over !!!

[ForlornSailor]

10 minutes ago, _Teob_ said:

Recently I was on Heaven in a domination battle and the enemy DD was spotted on the north cap (which they owned) right next to the gap in the islands between the two caps. When our cap (south one) started to be contested I shot at the north of the cap circle, right where a DD would have gone if they had passed between the islands between the caps. I hit him and he could not be convinced at all that I wasn't cheating. I tried explaining that he could only be in that area, that he had been spotted going there etc. He was having none of it. He was sure I was cheating.

 

Something like that ^^

 

At 0:50 I take the blind shot. Logic because the cap turned red, RPF and former position told me the rest. You can do a lot of stuff in this game, once you get into it.

 

 

[K82J]

Not to mention glitches like the one i saw one NA a while back ( Harugumo detonated a Kurfurst with AP ), using the circle on the minimap to shoot at unspotted ships, desync ( once a player shoot me with torps, he saw i eat them 100%, while torps went like a half kilometer behind me ), or just being lucky with RNG. Some newer players i saw didnt understood how Radio Positioning works.

 

Things like these could be easily seen as hacking too.

[_Teob_]

2 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Something like that ^^

 

At 0:50 I take the blind shot. Logic because the cap turned red, RPF and former position told me the rest. You can do a lot of stuff in this game, once you get into it.

 

 

 

Yeah similar thing.

[DFens_666]

15 minutes ago, _Teob_ said:

Now the issue is that there are situations that can appear to be cheating. Recently I was on Heaven in a domination battle and the enemy DD was spotted on the north cap (which they owned) right next to the gap in the islands between the two caps. When our cap (south one) started to be contested I shot at the north of the cap circle, right where a DD would have gone if they had passed between the islands between the caps. I hit him and he could not be convinced at all that I wasn't cheating. I tried explaining that he could only be in that area, that he had been spotted going there etc. He was having none of it. He was sure I was cheating.

 

 

I like this one

 

[_Teob_]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

 

I like this one

 

yeah see, even I would start with the hackusations if that happened to me. I get that it was super unlucky for him as well, I mean 4 shells is crazy unlucky and I am sure that it happens on other occasions but he doesn't realise because taking 2k HE dmg is less noticeable than SAP but that absolutely looked like you were cheating to him, I am sure.

 

[Butterdoll]

1 hour ago, lossi_2018 said:

Ofc It is, but this subject is not talked about here or is constructive. Report all suspect activities with a ticket and button, if possible attach a replay or screenshot to the mods/wg directly.

Hell no.

Once i got reported by a Sinop that i ambushed with my Nurnberg.

He dodged  my first set of torps but eat the second and third and sunk.

My "suspect activities" were only proved by his ignorance about what he just faced , nothing more

[lossi_2018]

34 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Players using unfair to solo player setups ( divisioning with creative ship combinations and voice coordination ) the game rules allow for yes.

[lossi_2018]

2 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

Hell no.

You think reporting suspect activity is a bad suggestion? Okay then.

[lossi_2018]

1 hour ago, ArnieDude said:

As mentioned, all the important decisions the game makes (RNG, registering hits, info on what you can see) is all determined on the server

This is what WG claims, but you can't expect them to tell us their systems are hackable and they should of course do not (tell us). This is a very unrealistic discussion as no cheater will ever admit it, nor the company confess at a vulnerability.

Spoiler

If we want to be truthful there are 'cheat' programs sold with real money and that says a lot.

Hope the thread isn't derailed, but it will be locked up for sure.

[Butterdoll]

Suspected activities could mean a lot of things , and the majority the allegations don't hold on in most cases .

you can send the replay

But don't report others for your (your as in general yours) miss plays

[lossi_2018]

Just now, Butterdoll said:

Suspected activities could mean a lot of things , and the majority the allegations don't hold on in most cases .

you can send the replay

But don't report others for your (your as in general yours) miss plays

My friend I literary said the same thing, I'm not even trying to argue. 

[gabberworld]

1 hour ago, GrazyC2 said:

But back to the question is it possible to cheat and if it is how you recognize it ?

 

i seen in youtube that there is mod what makes easier to shoot right location at citadel. so yes its possible cheat if you call that a cheating.

 

but how to recognize cheater is not actually possible for player self , only suspect that he may todo that.

 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

2 hours ago, GrazyC2 said:

I see this comment a lot in game when you play good and punish the hell out off players sailing broadside. They report you and call you cheater.

Most of us just say that's imposible to cheat in this game but I must say sometimes it just feels like it but your team just make very stupid decisions and die fast.

Two minutes in the game and half the team is already gone even in Co Op they just straight loose or operation off the week they lose because they don't understand the objective or something.

But back to the question is it possible to cheat and if it is how you recognize it ?

I don't want to know how to cheat nor I want you say how it is done just kind of behavior they show if they should cheat.  Maybe finally people will stop shouting you have aim bots or whatever...

 

There is a cheat mod, but it obviously is rather expensive even for WoWs pricing habits. It helps bad players aim, but it only tells the player where the target will be if it moves at the current speed and heading. Now most targets change speed and - most of all - course. The cheat cannot account for that. The player who needs help with aiming cannot account for these maneuvers either, which is why he uses the mod in the first place. So ironically the mod does not give much of an advantage for good players, since they know how to account their aim for maneuvers, and it doesn't help the weak players, since they only hit weak players that sail in straight lines.

 

Another mod that really imo is a problem is calculating the point of impact of incoming fire. This is a really problem, since many players, even good ones cannot see every shell coming and even less so assess correctly if that shell will hit the ship and can be evaded.

But, given the price of the mod (~15€ per month) I think there is better ways to invest money and I have never seen a player that obviously was using such information.

 

In most situations watching the replay will explain situations better and sometimes asking friendly and not accusing players will make them tell you their secrets. It's a good way of improving your play. I often hit torpedos and when people ask me how I knew where to aim, I tell them how I knew where they were going to go in the next 30-45 seconds.

Often it's not that much of a deal and you would be surprised how predictable you can be, even when you yourself are not aware of it. Like a tell in poker.