t7 bb shocking

[pompeyrk]

Recently the concealment of tier 7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them something you paid 2 million credits for so now hood a ship i brought for £80 the day it was released has at best 14.1 concealment which is higher than almost all tier 9 bb the giant Musashi has the same 14.1 where the massive german f der grobe has 13.6.

the german t7 bb 13.7 

the Japanese t7 14.9 and 15. 

US t7 bb colorado 14.8 yet the new California 11.8 

Russian t7 bb 12.2 really

so t7 bb often face t9 and t8 but now have higher concealment and less range even than most cruisers.

Basically all tier 7 battleships are now food .

are there any plans to address this rebalance them ? .

 

[ZombieOnWoWs]

55 minutes ago, pompeyrk said:

Recently the concealment of tier 7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them something you paid 2 million credits for so now hood a ship i brought for £80 the day it was released has at best 14.1 concealment which is higher than almost all tier 9 bb the giant Musashi has the same 14.1 where the massive german f der grobe has 13.6.

the german t7 bb 13.7 

the Japanese t7 14.9 and 15. 

US t7 bb colorado 14.8 yet the new California 11.8 

Russian t7 bb 12.2 really

so t7 bb often face t9 and t8 but now have higher concealment and less range even than most cruisers.

Basically all tier 7 battleships are now food .

are there any plans to address this rebalance them ? .

 

Think all battleships at any tier is food.

[HassenderZerhacker]

3 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

Recently the concealment of tier 7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them something you paid 2 million credits for so now hood a ship i brought for £80 the day it was released has at best 14.1 concealment which is higher than almost all tier 9 bb the giant Musashi has the same 14.1 where the massive german f der grobe has 13.6.

the german t7 bb 13.7 

the Japanese t7 14.9 and 15. 

US t7 bb colorado 14.8 yet the new California 11.8 

Russian t7 bb 12.2 really

so t7 bb often face t9 and t8 but now have higher concealment and less range even than most cruisers.

Basically all tier 7 battleships are now food

are there any plans to address this rebalance them ?

seeing how much ship balance borrows from the realm of fantasy, I propose that cruisers be bestowed the power to cast concealment spells on other ships.

 

Russian ships should have to option to add christmas lights and fluorescent camo to improve their concealment. others would think "this can't be a warship" and only upon getting closer would they see what that thing which looks like a fairgrounds ride really is.

 

new California BB 11.8 while much smaller cruisers get 14 ... what are they smoking ?

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

Recently the concealment of tier 7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them something you paid 2 million credits for so now hood a ship i brought for £80 the day it was released has at best 14.1 concealment which is higher than almost all tier 9 bb the giant Musashi has the same 14.1 where the massive german f der grobe has 13.6.

the german t7 bb 13.7 

the Japanese t7 14.9 and 15. 

US t7 bb colorado 14.8 yet the new California 11.8 

Russian t7 bb 12.2 really

so t7 bb often face t9 and t8 but now have higher concealment and less range even than most cruisers.

Basically all tier 7 battleships are now food .

are there any plans to address this rebalance them ? .

Hood has no concealment module. Never had one. That applies to all Tier VII BB.

[Origin47]

The only ship at tier 7 that can mount the concealment module is Belfast.

 

 

LE: I did not know about Z39. I have nothing to do with german dds. :)

[HassenderZerhacker]

Just now, Origin47 said:

The only ship at tier 7 that can mount the concealment module is Belfast.

nope

[AndyTheCupid]

31 minutes ago, Origin47 said:

The only ship at tier 7 that can mount the concealment module is Belfast.

Z39

[Excavatus]

5 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them

No tier 7 ship can mount concealment module.. 

Slot 5 only opens at tier 8... 

 

 

[Wyrmw00d]

5 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

No tier 7 ship can mount concealment module.. 

Slot 5 only opens at tier 8... 

 

 

 

Apart from the two specifically mentioned directly above your post.

 

Mate, you're getting old :D

[Migantium_Mashum]

7 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

No tier 7 ship can mount concealment module.. 

Slot 5 only opens at tier 8... 

 

 

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Yes, TVII BBs totally should get the concealment module, to make it easier for them to hide in the back. 

[Captain_Singleton]

6 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

Recently

Eh? as far as i know there hasn't been any significant changes since the upgrade rework where they moved them around in patch 0.6.14 back on the 29th Nov 2017...

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Update_0.6.14

[Excavatus]

1 hour ago, Wyrmw00d said:

 

Apart from the two specifically mentioned directly above your post.

 

Mate, you're getting old :D

I didn't want to mention them again since people posted just above me :) 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Giving T7 battleships the concealment module only moves the problem to tier 6.

 

T7 ships always struggled when up tiered due to concealment, armour and now HE pen changes.

It wasn’t a problem before as T7 ships were rarely uptiered.

Unfortunately, many complained about  T8 matchmaking so Wargaming changed it. T7 went from best matchmaking to second worse after tier 5.

[HassenderZerhacker]

anyway, those concealment modules are pretty ridiculous.

look at that concept: we install some stuff on a big ship tall like a 20 storey building and it magically disappears... Philadelphia Experiment, anyone?

 

why is this module needed at all? WG could take it out of the game.

[pompeyrk]

I'm convinced hood had concealment module previously i could be wrong though but it wasn't 14.1 

[ollonborre]

16 minutes ago, pompeyrk said:

I'm convinced hood had concealment module previously i could be wrong though but it wasn't 14.1 

It never had it. Have you changed your build or perhaps demounted camo? Or are you talking about the concealment expert rebalance/nerf? But I would not call that a recent change.

[DFens_666]

16 minutes ago, pompeyrk said:

I'm convinced hood had concealment module previously i could be wrong though but it wasn't 14.1 

 

It was less, because the captain skill got nerfed. it gives 10% concealment bonus to every ship class, while before it was different (DDs 10%, CAs 12%, BBs 14% CVs 16% IIRC)

But thats soooo long ago, have you not played in like 2 years or so?

[ColonelPete]

But she did not have it.

Quote

2017:

Hood: The Good, Bad, and the Ugly

The Good

• Large HP pool
• Fast and agile for a Battleship 
• Great HP recovery with her “Repair Party” consumable 
• A battleship with the “Defensive AA” consumable

The Bad

• Your impressive size makes you a huge target
• Short effective AA range without a special build emphasizing it 
• Poor concealment

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/general-news/hood-stuff-with-friends/

 

[Pikkozoikum]

10 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

Recently the concealment of tier 7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them something you paid 2 million credits for so now hood a ship i brought for £80 the day it was released has at best 14.1 concealment which is higher than almost all tier 9 bb the giant Musashi has the same 14.1 where the massive german f der grobe has 13.6.

the german t7 bb 13.7 

the Japanese t7 14.9 and 15. 

US t7 bb colorado 14.8 yet the new California 11.8 

Russian t7 bb 12.2 really

so t7 bb often face t9 and t8 but now have higher concealment and less range even than most cruisers.

Basically all tier 7 battleships are now food .

are there any plans to address this rebalance them ? .

 

And if you buff T7 because they are food for upper tiers, than the lower tiers will be even more food for T7

[pompeyrk]

i was wrong sorry hood never had the module but was 13.5 is now 14.1

tier 6 bb concealment is bad for Japanese and french and west Virginia so i guess its something that needs balancing throughout .  

[Benser33]

The BBs mentioned never had Concealment Systems Modification, as previously stated. Battleship concealment increased back in Patch 0.8.0 from Jan 2019 when the Concealment Expert skill concealment bonus for BBs was reduced from 14% to 10% (it was standardised to 10% concealment reduction for all classes). Prior to this Hoods concealment was 13.51km with Camoflague and Concealment Expert.

 

Other than that, the concealment of none of the ships you mentioned has been changed.

[BlackYeti]

14 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

Recently the concealment of tier 7 bb went up with most of us not knowing when they took the concealment module off of them something you paid 2 million credits for so now hood a ship i brought for £80 the day it was released has at best 14.1 concealment which is higher than almost all tier 9 bb the giant Musashi has the same 14.1 where the massive german f der grobe has 13.6.

the german t7 bb 13.7 

the Japanese t7 14.9 and 15. 

US t7 bb colorado 14.8 yet the new California 11.8 

Russian t7 bb 12.2 really

so t7 bb often face t9 and t8 but now have higher concealment and less range even than most cruisers.

Basically all tier 7 battleships are now food .

are there any plans to address this rebalance them ? .

 

If anything, high tier BB concealment should be increased, drastically. Best way would be to remove the concealment module altogether, along with concealment expert so it's easier to balance concealment across tiers and classes.

[MrWastee]

2 hours ago, pompeyrk said:

i was wrong sorry hood never had the module but was 13.5 is now 14.1

tier 6 bb concealment is bad for Japanese and french and west Virginia so i guess its something that needs balancing throughout .  

i don't think so. indeed i run many bb's without concealment stuff, especially german full meme builds on t8 or the fuso on t6. some of my best stats ships, mostly in the mid tiers. some others i do run with it, but yeah.... just as an example, recently had a very good match on nelson (with CE btw). in a t9 match. win, topscore and survivor..... imho the one thing bb's do not need, on kinda any tier in regard to surface combat, is a buff in any way.

 

2 cts

 

[Hawker_gb]

I run Hindenburg without concealment module (because of LU)

14km concealment and still my best CA