Poll: Ranked Fun: Tier7 vs Tier8 Sprint

[Ocsimano18]

Compare the two recent ranked games and voice your opinion.

[_Teob_]

I cannot stress this enough and I will repeat it until it gets through, we, as a community, should not accept or consider acceptable the fact that at tier 7 the only way to access radar ships was through our wallets (Atlanta Indy and Belfast). That's the only real instance that I can think of in this game of P2W.

We can argue about relative ship strengths and how strong premium ships are but there is no justification for not having any silver radar.

 

As such t7 was a farce and it should be considered an anomaly.

[Fatal_Ramses]

There was something strange in the T8 ranked sprint, cant quite put my finger on it.

 

[Prospect_b]

26 minutes ago, Fatal_Ramses said:

There was something strange in the T8 ranked sprint, cant quite put my finger on it.

 

Nono, you got it wrong! It was nasty carrierses that was the problem! /s

[Gebe_]

18 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

Nono, you got it wrong! It was nasty carrierses that was the problem! /s

I hope you do understand that everyone and their mothers was chosing BBs precisely because of CVs?

[Gebe_]

1 hour ago, _Teob_ said:

As such t7 was a farce and it should be considered an anomaly.

I played DDs in both sprints. I'd rather play against Belfasts than CVs.

[_Teob_]

10 minutes ago, Gebe_ said:

I played DDs in both sprints. I'd rather play against Belfasts than CVs.

 

Point still stands. I am shocked you fail to understand this.

You can get a CV without spending a single euro/dollar/franc/soul of unborn child.

You cannot get a radar ship at t7 without spending at least one euro/dollar/franc/soul of unborn child.

 

Why would you defend that practice?

They are not even mutually exclusive. Like you can dislike playing against CVs but also understand that putting radar behind a paywall at t7 is really bad.

[Gebe_]

5 minutes ago, _Teob_ said:

I am shocked you fail to understand this.

I simply don't care about radar at t7. Feel free to feel shocked.

 

But since we're talking about this - I agree that releasing premiums with radar at a tier that was meant to have no radar was a mistake. What I don't agree with is giving out even more radars at t7 to "fix" this. Either way, it seems a non-issue to me - certainly nothing to be shocked about.

[Allied_Winter]

17 minutes ago, _Teob_ said:

You cannot get a radar ship at t7 without spending at least one euro/dollar/franc/soul of unborn child.

Yeah ... I'm still a bit miffed that New Orleans lost her radar when she was put down to T7. Her and Schchors (stil don't know how to write that thingy) should be the two (only?) silver radar cruisers at T7. To alleveviate the "T7 premium only" radar issue a bit.

 

 

Edit: Also I want to point out I would've selected "neither were fun" but can't complete the poll, so ... maybe add a "Void" option to question 2 and 3?

[_HomTanks_]

 

If i were the boss and my goal was to profit as much as i can, i would introduce new premiums before each event (regular ranked, ranked sprint, operations, split lines, etc.). Then, i would activate the trolls on forums and some streamers to polish those prems. Restricting premiums or cvs from such events would reduce my earnings and why would i do that? 

[_Teob_]

4 minutes ago, Gebe_ said:

I simply don't care about radar at t7. Feel free to feel shocked.

 

But since we're talking about this - I agree that releasing premiums with radar at a tier that was meant to have no radar was a mistake. What I don't agree with is giving out even more radars at t7 to "fix" this. Either way, it seems a non-issue to me - certainly nothing to be shocked about.

 

That's a different discussion altogether (whether you personally care or the amount of radar at t7 etc.).

The only point I am making is that giving radar only to people who pay is wrong. I feel quite strongly about this which is why I keep mentioning this. 

 

It skewed the whole ranked season.

[Jaberwak]

Rigged Poll... Where are the No anwsers?

 

Especially 3rd question.

 

"I like the ship choice " - 200 BBs in the queue disagree....

"I like the meta" - the first team to do something stupid losese....

"I like the CVs" - i developed Enterprise phobia..... well general CV phobia. And i even played a bit AA speced cruisers.

"i liked the maps" - as i was mainly playing cruisers i wanted to strangle the WG guy who put caps on some of the maps.... Big open spaces with no cover...

"i liked the gameplay" - it was to passive for my taste.. I know no heal on cruisers.... But even the BBabies didnt want to take a risk....

 

I wish there was "Non of the above"

[Prospect_b]

2 minutes ago, _Teob_ said:

 

That's a different discussion altogether (whether you personally care or the amount of radar at t7 etc.).

The only point I am making is that giving radar only to people who pay is wrong. I feel quite strongly about this which is why I keep mentioning this. 

 

It skewed the whole ranked season.

If your word was law, what would be your solution? Remove all radar from tier 7, or give some silver t7s radar too, like @Allied_Winter suggests?

[Zen71_sniper]

1 hour ago, _Teob_ said:

only way to access radar ships was through our wallets (

Not true 

[_HomTanks_]

2 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Not true 

 

[Fatal_Ramses]

52 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

Nono, you got it wrong! It was nasty carrierses that was the problem! /s

I think this is a sum of many factors.

- CVs keeping cruisers and destroyers spotted and hounding them

- BBs having the only "good" AA, in this current state.

- Many good BBs in that tier (saw Lenin, Vladdy, Massa and Bismarck-sister pretty much in every game).

- Many of the cruisers have radar, add the CV and DD numbers stay low

- Only couple of cruisers in this tier has heal so that one bad mistake is your last mistake.

 

I dont play CVs in random/ranked, so I might be off.

Played the Z-23 90% of my games. CV can be a pain, radar you can work around but the Enterprise is just bongers.

[_Teob_]

7 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

If your word was law, what would be your solution? Remove all radar from tier 7, or give some silver t7s radar too, like @Allied_Winter suggests?

I think I may have mentioned in a different topic that I think all cruisers t6 and above should get heal and the appropriate ones (Russian and American) should get short duration radar from t6 too. So I would absolutely do what @Allied_Winter suggests and add radar to both the New Orleans and the Schchchoorchshs. I think that DDs are Op at mid/low tiers and cruisers are UP.

 

6 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Not true 

I guess you could get Indy without paying through a campaign or something. Is this the point you are making?

Cause I bought the Indianapolis when it was released and I certainly paid for it.

Am I missing any silver radar ships?

[Jaberwak]

Indianapolis was avaliable for free with one of the mission chains... or was it campaign.

[_Teob_]

Just now, Jaberwak said:

Indianapolis was avaliable for free with one of the mission chains... or was it campaign.

Oh that - I seem to remember something about that. Is it still available now though?

 

I bought mine a long time ago so I certainly flashed my wallet for that t7 radar.

[Fatal_Ramses]

3 minutes ago, Jaberwak said:

Indianapolis was avaliable for free with one of the mission chains... or was it campaign.

Indy marathon back in the summer of 2018. Got her then.

[Allied_Winter]

1 minute ago, Fatal_Ramses said:

Indy marathon back in the summer of 2018. Got her then.

Which basically means, any player that came on board AFTER summer 2018, is again left out regarding "T7 radar cruiser to get without paying money".

[Zen71_sniper]

9 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

 

There was a grind mission for Indy 

 

[Nov_A]

T7 was little to no fun, while the T8 one was actually a bit enjoyable, even in surface ships.

 

My biggest dislikes in the T7 one were the need to tryhard, because it was a regular ranked with bigger gaps for irrevocable ranks and the enforced meta revolving around DDs and radar/smoke cruisers. Not having neither a Belfast or Flint always made me feel at a disadvantage, even worse when I did not play a meta ship and just grinded things like Helena or Surrey for phun.

 

The CV absence was okay, especially if the games kept going on for long, but as a less experienced player the choice between the almighty sword of a single player deciding to harass me until my return to port or the absolute punishment for the slightest mistake in any class by getting caught out by a radar or smoked up cruiser while being outspotted by a DD or brawled by a Sinop - yeah, I'd rather pick the first one, though I can still understand that this might be more frustrating for better players, that do less of said punishable mistakes.

[Hugh_Ruka]

43 minutes ago, _Teob_ said:

 

Point still stands. I am shocked you fail to understand this.

You can get a CV without spending a single euro/dollar/franc/soul of unborn child.

You cannot get a radar ship at t7 without spending at least one euro/dollar/franc/soul of unborn child.

 

Why would you defend that practice?

They are not even mutually exclusive. Like you can dislike playing against CVs but also understand that putting radar behind a paywall at t7 is really bad.

It was not the players that decided to put  radar on T7 premium ships ... what can we do about it ? Except the Belfast I have the other 2. I played the Z-39 (not very much due to having a life but still) ... shock and horror

 

You can find an issue in EVERY tier like that ... Musashi at T9 f.e. ? Still the point is that the broken CVs can be had much more easily than the broken radar ships ... omg calling Atlanta broken these days is really a stretch ...

[_HomTanks_]

9 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

There was a grind mission for Indy 

 

I included all options into the calculations