Suggestion to transform Dunkerque into a Champagne/Florida/Slava type ship

[BlackYeti]

Seeing the new US tier VII Florida which is basically a Dunk with back turret gave me an idea which would make the Dunkerque unique and interesting again, give her 25mm plating to make her farmable by 152mm HE but battlecruiser dispersion in return. Maybe increase reload to 30s. It has been asked since forever to buff the Dunkek's dispersion, perhaps this is the way to do it? Thoughts?

[ColonelPete]

No. That would encourage a more passive playstyle.

I like how she is. BB should tank for the team.

 

[TeaAndTorps]

12 hours ago, BlackYeti said:

Seeing the the new US tier VII Florida which is basically a Dunk with back turret gave me an idea which would make the Dunkerque unique and interesting again, give her 25mm plating to make her farmable by 152mm HE but battlecruiser dispersion in return. Maybe increase reload to 30s. It has been asked since forever to buff the Dunkek's dispersion, perhaps this is the way to do it? Thoughts?

 

[Removed an inaccuracy]

 

TbhI love my Dunkerque the way it is and the dispersion doesn't give me worse headaches than any other BB. Personally—and I stress personally—I don't see any reasons for changes to the ship. It might be less unique than it once was, but it's still interesting and one hell of a lot of fun.

[BlackYeti]

1 minute ago, TeaAndTorps said:

It already does have 25mm plating, doesn't it? (Edit: maybe it has a thicker deck? Is that what you mean?) Tbh I love my Dunkerque the way it is and the dispersion doesn't give me worse headaches than any other BB. Personally—and I stress personally—I don't see any reasons for changes to the ship. It might be less unique than it once was, but it's still interesting and one hell of a lot of fun.

All t6-7 BBs got 26mm plating in the IFHE rework so that 152mm cruisers still need IFHE to pen them.

[TeaAndTorps]

2 minutes ago, BlackYeti said:

All t6-7 BBs got 26mm plating in the IFHE rework so that 152mm cruisers still need IFHE to pen them.

Ah, yes. I, erm, forgot  Took a break around that time and haven't really internalised that change yet, oops!

[invicta2012]

Nope. Don't be mucking around with my DQ, thanks. The US one should be a gimmick ship, if we need one.

[BlackYeti]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No. That would encourage a more passive playstyle.

I like how she is. BB should tank for the team.

 

I agree that's what the game was initially designed for and the whole Slava idea was a mistake to begin with. But now that the pandora's box is open we might as well make the Dunkerque a true battlecruiser because she at least has all the needed prerequisites (high speed, squishy armor, high velocity guns) and is in the need of an accuracy buff in one way or another.

[Beastofwar]

In my opinion the only thing wrong with Dunkerque is it's "shotgun" accuracy. Even in Operations that is very unenjoyable, rarely more then 1 shell actually hitting a target. Even at medium ranges.

 

Nothing wrong with the secondaries hoewever, if invested in. Despite their position on the ship. The things the higher tier versions of it ( Richellieu and Jean Bart ) can do are outright funny/impressive since they have far more range. But against Operations tier enemies they do very well indeed as well, be it at 7.2 km range.  Much better range then the Graf Spee....

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, BlackYeti said:

I agree that's what the game was initially designed for and the whole Slava idea was a mistake to begin with. But now that the pandora's box is open we might as well make the Dunkerque a true battlecruiser because she at least has all the needed prerequisites (high speed, squishy armor, high velocity guns) and is in the need of an accuracy buff in one way or another.

Dunk is a true battlecruiser. But BC can take the fire of cruisers, that is what they are designed for. When you make BB/BC that cannot take cruiser fire, then there is something wrong.

Making a mistake once does not mean one should repeat it. WG should stay away from that concept.

[Miragetank90]

I vote no thanks. I'm not against BBs with weak armour, but I'm not into this idea to give BBs frankly too-insane levels of accuracy. Yamato should have stayed the gold standard. 

 

The opinion of one BB main. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

The Dunkerque is not some Lesta Cafeteria special. You can't just change it to give it ahistorical stats... oh... er.... b****r....

[steveraptor]

2 hours ago, BlackYeti said:

Seeing the the new US tier VII Florida which is basically a Dunk with back turret gave me an idea which would make the Dunkerque unique and interesting again, give her 25mm plating to make her farmable by 152mm HE but battlecruiser dispersion in return. Maybe increase reload to 30s. It has been asked since forever to buff the Dunkek's dispersion, perhaps this is the way to do it? Thoughts?

No, she has her own play style right now and thats how it should stay.

[lossi_2018]

NO

 

[BlackYeti]

19 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

NO

 

It's ok, this is merely another "Buff Dunkerque dispersion" topic, but I'm getting this strange feeling that the more "NO's", "HELL NO's", and "Over my Dead Body NO's" we get here the more WG be like:

 

[Lebedjev]

19 minutes ago, BlackYeti said:

I'm getting this strange feeling that the more "NO's", "HELL NO's", and "Over my Dead Body NO's" we get here the more WG be like:

 

Why suddently WG be like that ?

Dunkerque is fine. Deal with it.

 

[Panocek]

Why buff Dunkerque when WG can sell you Strasbourg with that gimmick?

[Yedwy]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Why buff Dunkerque when WG can sell you Strasbourg with that gimmick?

This

[anonym_PYC0RAuRIwe4]

God no, I hate all these new fake BBs that are actually Battle Cruisers in disguise, a BB should have BB plating.

[Yedwy]

37 minutes ago, Vardog said:

God no, I hate all these new fake BBs that are actually Battle Cruisers in disguise, a BB should have BB plating.

Well on T7 that would be Sinop aaand yes well maybe Gneise and Sharn

[Panocek]

43 minutes ago, Vardog said:

God no, I hate all these new fake BBs that are actually Battle Cruisers in disguise, a BB should have BB plating.

This is part where you discover "all or nothing" being an actual armor scheme. And used by actually majority of battleships me thinks

[ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib]

No - leave Dunk as is.

 

I'm strongly against snipping BBs. That's worst kind of gameplay and I seriously dislike anyone who is scared to scratch paintwork on a BB. 3-4M tanked potential that's the most awesome thing ever.

 

California yes - Champage, Slava - bloody efing NO!

 

Florida - yes with a proviso that it was actual ship which materialized as NC after invoking escalation clause of Washington Treaty. It'll be interesting in a way as a competition to KGV and DoY. Just please make Florida Normal BB, please, I beg you WG.

 

Note: I would be overjoyed with T2 Slava (a la Mikasa) which was sunk during WWI defending Moonsund (The Moon Sound) archipelago; Slava T10 go home - I hope they'll nerf it to the ground, oh well who am I kidding...

 

[Yedwy]

4 minutes ago, AsariValkyrieSentinel said:

Florida - yes with a proviso that it was actual ship which materialized as NC after invoking escalation clause of Washington Treaty. It'll be interesting in a way as a competition to KGV and DoY. Just please make Florida Normal BB, please, I beg you WG.

Did you see her dispersion m8? No way that stays and she has normal plating and HP that would be ridiculous...

[invicta2012]

51 minutes ago, Panocek said:

This is part where you discover "all or nothing" being an actual armor scheme. And used by actually majority of battleships me thinks

Yes, but that was to deal with real world considerations, not WoWs mechanics. If the latter had applied in reality no-one would have moved away from Dreadnought armour. 

 

3 hours ago, Panocek said:

Why buff Dunkerque when WG can sell you Strasbourg with that gimmick?

They can sell me Strasbourg as a mini Tier VII Jean Bart with MBRB. We've already got gimmicks which work and which are fun and encourage attacking BB play. Why they are going down this dispersion route is beyond me, it's just pure RNG. 

[BlackYeti]

3 hours ago, Panocek said:

Why buff Dunkerque when WG can sell you Strasbourg with that gimmick?

The catch is, Strasbourg actually had stronger armour irl I believe 

[Panocek]

4 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

They can sell me Strasbourg as a mini Tier VII Jean Bart with MBRB. We've already got gimmicks which work and which are fun and encourage attacking BB play. Why they are going down this dispersion route is beyond me, it's just pure RNG. 

Average player prefer to shoot the ships, not get shot by ships thus WG only follow where the money is with long range snipers with actual excuse to not get close.

 

3 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Yes, but that was to deal with real world considerations, not WoWs mechanics. If the latter had applied in reality no-one would have moved away from Dreadnought armour.

Its not like WG could set "nothing" armored sections to saturate much faster, making these ships bit less vulnerable to damage