Odin is complete Trash.

[Sunleader]

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So. After Playing a Few Battles with that Ship. Just to Confirm it.

I can Confirm without any Doubt. That Odin is Complete and Utter Garbage.

 

1.

The Guns are Completely useless.

Their Velocity is High but at the same time their Penetration is not very High and their Fuse is the Full Time BB Fuse.

So Effectively. Against Battleships you wont get Citadels even on Flat Broadside unless you are pretty close. Against Cruisers if they are Flat Broadside you will get Overpens all the time. And when they Angle you will constantly Bounce.

You dont have the Caliber to Overmatch anything either. Meaning that most of the Time you wont really get any Damage unless your getting really Close to the Enemy.

And well. With 50k HP you cant really get Close to anything....

 

2.

The Secondaries are weak.

This is mostly down to the Placement of the Secondaries. They are Flat on the Hull with no Elevation over each other. Meaning that unless you are Presenting Broadside which you Seriously cant with 50k HP your Secondaries wont do anything.

 

3.

The HP. Well this is the most Obvious Issue I guess. 50k HP for a Battleship working in Close Range is just a Joke. Because even if you dont take any Devastating Hits you just dont have the HP to Survive any kind of Sustained Fire.

Needless to say that your the Prime Target for any CV. Because your an Easy BB Target that cant Evade most Strikes and with the Joke of a Torpedo Protection and HP even the Aircraft Torpedoes take away Chunks of your Health.

Needless to say your AA is pretty weak as well which means you also wont stop the CV from doing Damage.

Simple case for example. Kaga Striked me with Torps. Evaded the First Drop entirely. But once in that Turn the Crossdrop of course got me easily as I am a Battleship and therefore cant change Repeatedly Change Direction. Bam. Half the HP Gone.

 

4.

The Armor is MUCH Weaker than you would think.

Effectively the Idea was that Odin could Deal with Low HP cause its Scharnhorst Armor but with T8 Bow and Stern.

Meaning its at least got an Impervious Citadel at Close Range allowing to Brawl and not take Devastatking Hits.

Well Tough News.

Apparently Wargaming Decided that this Thing should not just get less HP and Worse Guns than Scharnhorst. But also worse Armor.

So they Replaced the 100+mm Forward Citadel Armor that Prevented you from Being Citadeled when someone Penetrated in Front or in Rear of your Strong Side Armor Belt. With a Nice 19mm Overmatchable Goal Plate for Citadel Hatricks.

Effectively meaning that you can Eat Citadels from Midrange despite being Angled. Because the Shell once it goes through the 60mm Ice Breaker can then Fly right into your 19mm Citadel Front. And even if it Hits there with 80 Degrees angle will Overmatch it and Blap You.

Forcing you to basicly remain completely Bow on if you want to have any kind of Armor Protection. Or Drive Full Broadside so your 19mm Citadel Plating is not Exposed....

 

5.

AA is just as useless as on most other German BBs.

Yep. Nothing to add here.

 

6.

Hydro makes you Virtually Immune to Torpedoes is the Best Joke I heard in Years.

Aside from the Hydro not being Up all the Time. And you not even getting the German 6km Cruiser Hydro.

With all the Fast Torpedoes in the Game lately. Even with Hydro you just dont have the Time to Turn around so you dont get hit by Torps. Sure. You will Evade Most Torps. Usually only eating 1 as you can at least Turn in as your Warned early. But even 1 Torps is enough to Take 30-40% of your Entire HP......

Aside from the Fact that turning your Ship when Spotted is a Problem in itself because you have neither the Armor nor the HP to actually Sustain Heavy Hits.

 

 

 

So in the End. The Ship is effectively entirely Useless.

Let me give you a Hint. If you want a German BB with Smaller Guns.

Get the Scharnhorst.

Its T7 but its actually Superior to the Odin.

Funny enough. It has more HP than Odin. it has better Armor than Odin because even tough you got 26mm Bow and Stern. You actually got a 100+mm Plate on your Forward Citadel which wont be Overmatched.. It has Better MM cause its T7. It has a Short Fuse so while just Like Odin you wont get that many Citadels on Battleships you will get alot more Full Pens and Citadels on Cruisers. And while your Secondaries dont have the 11km Range. At least when you get in Range with them. They actually Shoot at Enemies as you got way more of them which are actually Placed Properly and allow them to Shoot without Presenting most of your Broadside.

Effectively the only part where Odin is Better is that it has Quad Launchers instead of Triple Launchers....

 

 

 

And you know whats Great ?

WG Wont Buff the Odin for Months. Because as an Event Ship. For Several Months the Data they get will not be the Average Potato. But will be mostly from Players that have some Experience and therefore have a way Higher Baseline even with useless Scrap Metal like this.

And as WG only Balances By Spreadsheet. And not by Actual Performance of a Ship. The Odin will actually not Show Horrible Performance until it actually gets Sold in the Premium Shop for Normal T8 Premium BB Price and thus becomes Available for the Average Player which will then Plummet the Stats into the Abyss where they belong.

Which of course wont happen. Because they Pumped up the Value of the Ship to be 30k Doubloons so they can Claim it to be a 90% Discount when you do the Event and only Pay the 3k Doubloons for the 2 last Phases.

Due to which they will likely not Bring it into the Premium Shop for the usual 13k Doubloon Price for at least 6 Months.

So likely Odin will only be Buffed somewhere around May next Year when the Average Playerbase gets their Hand on the Ship. Making its Stats take a Nosedive and thus Cultivating the Typical WG Response of

"Oh How did this Happen. Suddenly the Stats for Odin are Going into the Basement even tough we never did anything wrong. Must be some Strange Coincidence of another Ship we Introduced Perfectly Countering it. Lets wait some more Months to see if Odin Finds Counterplay against that Unknown Ship that is apparently suddenly making its Live harder...."

 

 

 

So Rant Over.

Greetz Sun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[thestaggy]

Its a cheap tier 8 premium (if you complete the grind), it was never going to be good.

[Profilus]

Congrats on buying her!

[_HomTanks_]

And it faces tier 10s quiet often. Imagine Yamato or other T10 BBs shooting at you from 15km. Regardless of the angle, 1/3 hp is gone with one salvo, just like Champagne.

[Technocrat_Prime]

There are no bad ships, just players that can't play them well. In case of the Odin: she's the perfect lurker and brawler. If that's not your playstyle,  it honors you, but the Odin is just fine for that.

[kfa]

4 minutes ago, Technocrat_Prime said:

There are no bad ships, just players that can't play them well. In case of the Odin: she's the perfect lurker and brawler. If that's not your playstyle,  it honors you, but the Odin is just fine for that.

Thats a bait of excellent quality. 

[Panocek]

40 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

WG Wont Buff the Odin for Months. Because as an Event Ship. For Several Months the Data they get will not be the Average Potato. But will be mostly from Players that have some Experience and therefore have a way Higher Baseline even with useless Scrap Metal like this.

I wouldn't be so sure, Cossack was (over)buffed like two weeks after her event

[Azalgor]

32 minutes ago, thestaggy said:

it was never going to be good.

But it was supposed to, they gave it improved fuse on AP that were suposed to be its feature, but then they took it away and nerfed HP and made it garbage..

[KillStealBoss]

For me it doesn't seem bad. I know I didn't play much on her but seems not as tragic as I imagined. 

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

For me it doesn't seem bad. I know I didn't play much on her but seems not as tragic as I imagined. 

Might be a bit mean, but could you play her for 5-10 games in a row?

Would be good too see if the majority think this ship is Terrible, bad, below avg, avg etc.

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, CptBarney said:

Might be a bit mean, but could you play her for 5-10 games in a row?

Would be good too see if the majority think this ship is Terrible, bad, below avg, avg etc.

sure I can, but as with Agir - it doesn't seem THAT terrible. Well, maybe I'm not a good example, I enjoy playing the LeTerrible , Yudachi or Poltava that are bad ships

[KillStealBoss]

33 minutes ago, Profilus said:

Congrats on buying her!

I bought the 8k dubloon boost, I think he did same.

[lafeel]

7 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

I bought the 8k dubloon boost, I think he did same.

So did I, just not done with directive 4 yet..

[Chaos_Umbra]

Aren't the guns the same as Agir cause I've had no problems with them, be it citadeling cruisers or BBs. Heck Last night I managed to citadel a Missouri from 18km with the Agir...

 

Unless the shells are different and the accuracy is much worse then I don't really see the issue, only thing I could see as a problem is the low HP pool, but as I haven't got Odin yet I can't really say if it is too little.

[HaachamaShipping]

15 minutes ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

Aren't the guns the same as Agir cause I've had no problems with them, be it citadeling cruisers or BBs. Heck Last night I managed to citadel a Missouri from 18km with the Agir...

 

Unless the shells are different and the accuracy is much worse then I don't really see the issue, only thing I could see as a problem is the low HP pool, but as I haven't got Odin yet I can't really say if it is too little.

Less accurate (like Scharnhorst, not a supercruiser), 3s longer base reload (compounding with reload mod being not an option). 

[Spartan_Renegade]

[PeteEarthling]

From what I have seen so far, human Odin players fail as hard as human Ägir players, while bot players do well. I guess there are a lot of people with less than 100 games around who have no idea that looking shiny does not suffice to perform well.

[CptBarney]

8 minutes ago, SpartanRenegade said:

Cared enough to find a meme, then upload it to the forums, then post.

If your going to be clever at least, don't wreck yourself before you post.

[Humorpalanta]

27 minutes ago, SpartanRenegade said:

...

Don't listen to them!

 

I always appreciate a nice meme :)

 

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, Profilus said:

Congrats on buying her!

 

Didnt Buy her ^^

I bought 1500 Steel for 8000 Doubloons. And got Odin as a Free Gift on that :P

 

1 hour ago, Technocrat_Prime said:

There are no bad ships, just players that can't play them well. In case of the Odin: she's the perfect lurker and brawler. If that's not your playstyle,  it honors you, but the Odin is just fine for that.

 

So its a Good Ship for being Useless :P

Thats a Bad Ship in my Book ^^

 

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

I wouldn't be so sure, Cossack was (over)buffed like two weeks after her event

 

Hope Dies Last. But given how much Effort WG put into Explaining why all the Playerbase is Wrong and how the Ship is actually Overpowered. I would not expect it to receive any Buffs til Spreadsheet Forces WG to Buff it.

 

54 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

sure I can, but as with Agir - it doesn't seem THAT terrible. Well, maybe I'm not a good example, I enjoy playing the LeTerrible , Yudachi or Poltava that are bad ships

 

Ägir is not that Bad. It just Sucks that it doesnt get the Icebreaker. Due to which Alaska is just the Superior Choice in all Circumastance.

But Odin is Horrible.

Sure you can Make it Work. I also make Scharnhorst Work in T9 Games without Trouble. But that doesnt Change that Scharnhorst is a T7 and would be Quite Weak if it was a T8 Ship.

Odin is effectively a T6 BB. Of course if your Good enough you can Still make it Work. But it doesnt Change that its Horribly Bad lol

 

44 minutes ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

Aren't the guns the same as Agir cause I've had no problems with them, be it citadeling cruisers or BBs. Heck Last night I managed to citadel a Missouri from 18km with the Agir...

 

Unless the shells are different and the accuracy is much worse then I don't really see the issue, only thing I could see as a problem is the low HP pool, but as I haven't got Odin yet I can't really say if it is too little.

 

Ägir gets Cruiser Dispersion while Odin gets BB Dispersion. Moreover Ägir gets 3 Seconds Faster Reload and thats Before considering the Fact that Ägir can use the Reload Upgrade which Odin as a T8 doesnt get.

Meaning Ägir will Score far more Hits and the Hits will be much more Concentrated in the Area you Aimed at.

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

I really like playing Odin. I find it  to be a lot of fun.

 

That said, I struggle to disagree with the @Sunleader.

 

The ship is fun against T8 ships but meet a Massachusetts and you feel like you’re fighting a tier nine.
Face a Tirpitz and you feel like the little brother, giving up overmatch and a destroyer worth of health for secondaries that pen 32mm but with much lower dpm?

 

Face a North Carolina and you find a ship that is more accurate with much harder hitting guns.

 

The ship is fun but is not as strong as it’s contemporaries.

[Profilus]

46 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Didnt Buy her ^^

I bought 1500 Steel for 8000 Doubloons. And got Odin as a Free Gift on that :P

Congrats on buying 1500 steel and getting Odin for free!

[KillStealBoss]

2 minutes ago, Profilus said:

Congrats on buying 1500 steel and getting Odin for free!

In the past me myslef bought the steel giants campaign 4k steel.

[GrossadmiralRattenkoenig]

37 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

The ship is fun but is not as strong as it’s contemporaries.

First of all, Odin is fiction and thereby cannot have contemporaries. Second, I would love if same tier ships were actually contemporaries in this game, but that concept apparently died some years ago.

[El2aZeR]

You know what is actually funny about Odin?

 

Striking it once with AP bombs or torps and watch it limp away with over half its health obliterated.