[DAVY] Salentine Players 3,118 posts 14,771 battles Report post #1 Posted July 2, 2020 report on the BBC news from a group of experts to UK MP's recommends urgent action classifying loot boxes as gambling. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53253195 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LSCA] gabberworld Players 1,524 posts 12,284 battles Report post #2 Posted July 2, 2020 this issue is long time already, funny that it still not regulated as gambling 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PUPSI] Klopirat Freibeuter 11,810 posts Report post #3 Posted July 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, Salentine said: report on the BBC news from a group of experts to UK MP's recommends urgent action classifying loot boxes as gambling. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JRM] Yedwy Players 7,212 posts Report post #4 Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Salentine said: report on the BBC news from a group of experts to UK MP's recommends urgent action classifying loot boxes as gambling. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53253195 Thats good, couse it is 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 3,154 posts 17,394 battles Report post #5 Posted July 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, Yedwy said: Thats good, couse it is And a foul version of it, as there is, in most cases, no information about the odds. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRITS] Origin47 Beta Tester 392 posts 8,611 battles Report post #6 Posted July 2, 2020 Loot boxes should be classified as gambling everywhere because it is. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-ORC] Mahaaret Players 248 posts Report post #7 Posted July 2, 2020 100% correct, it is gambling 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOBS3] Cambera_1 Players 1,016 posts 20,026 battles Report post #8 Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Salentine said: report on the BBC news from a group of experts to UK MP's recommends urgent action classifying loot boxes as gambling. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53253195 While I hope that the loot boxes will be classified, I suspect that this report will be quietly ignored by our wondrous leaders. If anything happens then it will be so far off in the future that most of us will be no longer playing WoWs. Or it will be watered-down so much as not to have an effect on the practice. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOK] Donar79 Players 1,965 posts 8,654 battles Report post #9 Posted July 2, 2020 Vor 2 Minuten, Cambera_1 sagte: While I hope that the loot boxes will be classified, I suspect that this report will be quietly ignored by our wondrous leaders. If anything happens then it will be so far off in the future that most of us will be no longer playing WoWs. Or it will be watered-down so much as not to have an effect on the practice. It will be ignored like many other reports before. Same here on the continent. I am hoping for a regulation since they just did it in Belgium. I can't even remember when this was. Such mechanism in a game without age restriction how greedy and scummy can one be.... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JRM] Yedwy Players 7,212 posts Report post #10 Posted July 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Cambera_1 said: While I hope that the loot boxes will be classified, I suspect that this report will be quietly ignored by our wondrous leaders. If anything happens then it will be so far off in the future that most of us will be no longer playing WoWs. Or it will be watered-down so much as not to have an effect on the practice. I am pretty sure I read somewhere EU is preparing a summary act to govern similar stuff in future, once it takes form of a directive its obligatory for all EU states AFAIK... Now the question is what with the "gray zone" ie the same boxes available through arsenal for gold currency, reason why these are a grey zone is that you can in fact get the in game currency - in game, for free... I suspect we end up with arsenal only boxes for doubloons 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOBS3] Cambera_1 Players 1,016 posts 20,026 battles Report post #11 Posted July 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yedwy said: I am pretty sure I read somewhere EU is preparing a summary act to govern similar stuff in future, once it takes form of a directive its obligatory for all EU states AFAIK... Now the question is what with the "gray zone" ie the same boxes available through arsenal for gold currency, reason why these are a grey zone is that you can in fact get the in game currency - in game, for free... I suspect we end up with arsenal only boxes for doubloons Unfortunately the UK will not be inside the EU so WG will be able to carry on as they are. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STEEL] PeteEarthling [STEEL] Players 660 posts Report post #12 Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, 159Hunter said: no information about the odds. Without independent knowledge, access and supervision of the mechanics and odds, it is not even proper gambling - it can be anything from vague promises to outright fraud. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 7,464 posts 245 battles Report post #13 Posted July 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, Cambera_1 said: Unfortunately the UK will not be inside the EU so WG will be able to carry on as they are. Doesn't mean our government won't be able to make laws for this sort of thing in-genral. The only problem is like most governments they are either too inept, incompetent, corrupt or too busy playing some modern and less violent version of game of thrones. It's like the human Id basically rules over most people atm, while ego is barely existing and superego struggles to exist half the time. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Europizza Players 3,388 posts 20,509 battles Report post #14 Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Origin47 said: Loot boxes should be classified as gambling everywhere because it is. This. And it's a bloody disgrace this company has labeled it's game age restriction to 7+ while pushing this stuff in game. 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 2,786 posts 6,712 battles Report post #15 Posted July 2, 2020 In the way that it is implemented in games currently, it should be classified as scams, as there are no requirements for how the random generator should work, nor any information of odds nor rules of how they may (mis)represent those odds. This law is required everywhere. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,973 posts 13,218 battles Report post #16 Posted July 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, thiextar said: In the way that it is implemented in games currently, it should be classified as scams, as there are no requirements for how the random generator should work, nor any information of odds nor rules of how they may (mis)represent those odds. This law is required everywhere. Yeah at least if i go and play roulette i know my odds, what i risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EHRE] HassenderZerhacker Players 979 posts 3,431 battles Report post #17 Posted July 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Salentine said: report on the BBC news from a group of experts to UK MP's recommends urgent action classifying loot boxes as gambling. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53253195 I have always been puzzled why WG gives any attention to EU laws. All they have to do is keep their business out of the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] CptMinia Moderator, Players 1,303 posts 9,168 battles Report post #18 Posted July 2, 2020 Hello, Moved the thread to off-topic as this isn't specifically about game discussion but more a problem with the game industry as a whole. Kind regards, Minia 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Saltface Players 1,407 posts 11,648 battles Report post #19 Posted July 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said: I have always been puzzled why WG gives any attention to EU laws. because they are an EU company. 14 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said: All they have to do is keep their business out of the EU. and lose the EU market? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PUPSI] TeaAndTorps Players 804 posts 2,665 battles Report post #20 Posted July 2, 2020 If only the subject header were accurate. Better way of putting it would be 'committee with no formal means of enforcing its suggestions recommends lootboxes be classed as gambling in the UK'. I hope they will be treated as such, and soon, but somehow I expect our glorious leaders will act with about the same urgency as a stoned, sleep-deprived snail carrying some heavy shopping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-IAN-] IanH755 Players 2,043 posts 6,904 battles Report post #21 Posted July 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, TeaAndTorps said: If only the subject header were accurate. Better way of putting it would be 'committee with no formal means of enforcing its suggestions recommends lootboxes be classed as gambling in the UK'. I hope they will be treated as such, and soon, but somehow I expect our glorious leaders will act with about the same urgency as a stoned, sleep-deprived snail carrying some heavy shopping. The thing is, it would be an "easy" win for the Government, a bit of good PR at a time when they need some, but I bet they still drag their heals about it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BGNAV] CeKyPuTo Players 193 posts 22,107 battles Report post #22 Posted July 2, 2020 I'm not in UK, but what's the problem? Just change your location in acc settings and you are ok to buy loot boxes! BTW i have never bought any myself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEEUW] TheBrut3 [LEEUW] Players 493 posts 7,778 battles Report post #23 Posted July 2, 2020 I guess that's why WG has these random 500 dubloons bundles now. That doesn't count as gambling, since you can see what you're buying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EHRE] HassenderZerhacker Players 979 posts 3,431 battles Report post #24 Posted July 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, Saltface said: because they are an EU company. and lose the EU market? their headquarters are in Cyprus only for tax reasons. I'm sure they could strike a comparable deal in Belarus. they wouldn't lose the EU market, as Wargaming's business is online. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOKOS] DanSilverwing Players 1,064 posts 15,102 battles Report post #25 Posted July 2, 2020 Click-bait title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites