Can we have a way to tell if a ship has radar before we die?

[Thracen]

So there are several ships with the option to equip radar but usually don't. There are also several ships that have radar the average player doesn't know has radar or expects to have radar. Rare stuff like the black and so on. 

 

Would it be the end of the world for there to be a little R or something in the team sheet to help out dds that maybe don't know the game like the back of their hands?

[ColonelPete]

Probably not.

But it is also not the end of world to look the ships up and treat every ship as a radar ship, that has the option.

[triumphgt6]

But it would ruin the surprise of my radar Edinburgh which has stealth radar and torps (just!)

[Lebedjev]

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Surveillance_Radar_Data

[Fat_Maniac]

7 minutes ago, Thracen said:

So there are several ships with the option to equip radar but usually don't. There are also several ships that have radar the average player doesn't know has radar or expects to have radar. Rare stuff like the black and so on. 

 

Would it be the end of the world for there to be a little R or something in the team sheet to help out dds that maybe don't know the game like the back of their hands?

Just learn what has radar. In the same way you should learn the armour schemes of ships so you know where to aim. As a rule of thumb I always assume a ship that can mount radar is, until it proves otherwise.

[Thracen]

Yeah I figured this would be the response on the forum. More experienced players like mechanics to skew towards clubbing seals. The number of new tier 8 dds that just get eaten and ruin matches for the rest of us must be large since I seem to be doing it every other match in my radar cruisers. Throw in the pan asians, and the orkan etc and a little tool tip could actually improve a great number of matches. 

Maybe they could throw it in with equal number of radar mm that everyone has been asking for since forever. 

 

Maybe git gud isn't too appropriate for a free to play game? I wonder how many people here complain about the quality of players in this game then turn around and argue that less information in the game client is a good idea :D . 

[philjd]

Not that many ships have radar - although it never seems to work that way when you are in a T6+ DD :)

 

Safe to assume - US/Russian cruisers/supercruisers T8+

Chance of, RN cruisers T8+, PA DD's T8+

 

Uniques: Missouri, Black, Indianapolis, Belfast, Smaland

 

(May have missed a couple of recent additions to the premiums)

[DFens_666]

15 minutes ago, Thracen said:

More experienced players like mechanics to skew towards clubbing seals.

 

If you are a seal in T8+ MM, maybe you should go back to T4 so you dont get "clubbed"?

[Thracen]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

If you are a seal in T8+ MM, maybe you should go back to T4 so you dont get "clubbed"?

That seems a little naive since more clubbing goes on at t4 in cvs than at tier 8, also do you think players are likely to do that? Or just carry on trying to figure out how to play at T8. T8 is pretty much the introduction of widespread radar, where are they mean to practise against it. Might be difficult to do down on t4?

 

Thank you for your constructive and thoughtful comment though.

[COPlUM]

32 minutes ago, Thracen said:

So there are several ships with the option to equip radar but usually don't. There are also several ships that have radar the average player doesn't know has radar or expects to have radar. Rare stuff like the black and so on. 

 

Would it be the end of the world for there to be a little R or something in the team sheet to help out dds that maybe don't know the game like the back of their hands?

Moslain modpack has an option for infopanels on both sides of your screen with every ship, the range of their weapons, their concealment and if they have radar or not. It's especially useful for DD players because if the enemy team has 2XCV and 6X 12Km radar, a quick suicide is best for everyone involved.

[SV_Kompresor]

There are only 2 nations whose cruiser lines always have radar. Those aren't difficult to counter. When it comes to UK CLs, they almost never have radar and if they do, it's not that hard to figure it out just by looking at their gameplay. The only line that could somewhat suprise you with radar is the pan asian one, but in all honesty, I don't think I've ever been radared by a pan asian dd.

[_HomTanks_]

34 minutes ago, triumphgt6 said:

But it would ruin the surprise of my radar Edinburgh which has stealth radar and torps (just!)

^^

 

34 minutes ago, Lebedjev said:

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Surveillance_Radar_Data

^^

 

16 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

If you are a seal in T8+ MM, maybe you should go back to T4 so you dont get "clubbed"?

^^

 

6 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Moslain modpack has an option for infopanels on both sides of your screen with every ship, the range of their weapons, their concealment and if they have radar or not. It's especially useful for DD players because if the enemy team has 2XCV and 6X 12Km radar, a quick suicide is best for everyone involved.

^^

 

Very simple and helpful responses.

[Bear__Necessities]

No. It’s called risk. It adds to the challenge. 

[159Hunter]

To be fair, people who fail to know which ships (can) equip radar, shouldn't play DD. Some skill and knowledge is required when playing. If that's too much: find another game. Game is easy enough. Compare it to EvE ...

 

Also: most tatos will then wonder: " what does the R mean behind that ship?"

[Thracen]

God I'm done with this forum. I can see why wargaming ignore us, it's just a small tranche of the hardcore wanting everything bent in their favour. Sad it took me so long to realise. 

 

So long folks. 

[159Hunter]

1 minute ago, Thracen said:

God I'm done with this forum. I can see why wargaming ignore us, it's just a small tranche of the hardcore wanting everything bent in their favour. Sad it took me so long to realise. 

 

So long folks. 

So YOU want to change something in your favour. But people who want to keep it as is are bending it somehow?

Error logic not found

[SV_Kompresor]

2 minutes ago, Thracen said:

God I'm done with this forum. I can see why wargaming ignore us, it's just a small tranche of the hardcore wanting everything bent in their favour. Sad it took me so long to realise. 

 

So long folks. 

It's more like a small part of the community that is too lazy or incompetent to play the game wants it to be made even more casual and easy because they can't handle it.

[OldPappy]

48 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Probably not.

But it is also not the end of world to look the ships up and treat every ship as a radar ship, that has the option.

Totally agree. When you are in a dd you simply MUST know who are your biggest threats. If you dont then you decrease your chances drastically. 

[COPlUM]

There's 36 ships with radar now - The 10km range ones start at T7.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Surveillance_Radar_Data

The best advice is to lower your expectations of how much fun you can have with a DD in a radar heavy match, you can expect to start some fires, maybe hit a torp before you die, not much more, it forces you to play passive. You shouldn't let that scare you off playing DDs, there is no counter to it other than play passive or die - But not every round is radar-heavy. I don't see why you're upset with the forum, you got honest answers, including mods that do exactly what you want. Radar is the hard counter to you same way you're the hard counter to a BB, there isn't much they can do while you're farming them either. Games are rock/paper/scissors

[dasCKD]

Yeah, sounds like a good thing that can be used to help newer players. Perhaps just have a static display that shows which ships CAN have radar rather than necessarily having something that tells whether or not any specific ship has radar mounted or not to not detract from the ambush potential of British light cruisers.

[COPlUM]

3 minutes ago, dasCKD said:

Yeah, sounds like a good thing that can be used to help newer players. Perhaps just have a static display that shows which ships CAN have radar rather than necessarily having something that tells whether or not any specific ship has radar mounted or not to not detract from the ambush potential of British light cruisers.

Exactly, this request was not unreasonable, it's a very popular mod that should just be in the base game. Memorizing an ever expanding list of 36 ships that can reveal you from anywhere, resulting in you being bombarded by up to 12 enemy ships, it's crucial information at the start of a match. The mod doesn't tell you if a ship has radar, it tells you if a ship can fit radar. It basically does what you're suggesting.

[dasCKD]

1 minute ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Exactly, this request was not unreasonable, it's a very popular mod that should just be in the base game. Memorizing an ever expanding list of 36 ships that can reveal you from anywhere, resulting in you being bombarded by up to 12 enemy ships, it's crucial information at the start of a match. The mod doesn't tell you if a ship has radar, it tells you if a ship can fit radar. It basically does what you're suggesting.

Yeah, sounds good. It would do something to close the skill gap a bit and make it so that the eyes and ears of the team don't die stupidly quite as often.

[COPlUM]

Just now, dasCKD said:

Yeah, sounds good. It would do something to close the skill gap a bit and make it so that the eyes and ears of the team don't die stupidly quite as often.

Yes, I recently came back to the game after not playing for years, it's incredible how many hard-counters there are to DD's now, took me a week to realize capping early is suicide in most matches. I can relate to a new player looking at 6km concealment thinking he's sneaky, a radar pops and he's suddenly the only thing 12 enemy ships can shoot at. I don't mind DD's being incredibly difficult now, it's a challenge, but the game should tell masochists willing to take up this particular challenge, what they are up against

[COPlUM]

27 minutes ago, Thracen said:

So long folks. 

DD's are objectively the hardest class but still the most fun ships in the game, there's matches you can't do anything -not even in theory- because you're permanently spotted by planes and radar, but there's still plenty of matches where you drive around at 600 knots lighting everything on fire, getting funky torpedo hits & dodging 3 million damage. When the matchmaker screws you over with CV's and tons of radar, consider it 15 minutes of torture for all the fun you had, like dues being paid

[DFens_666]

48 minutes ago, Thracen said:

That seems a little naive since more clubbing goes on at t4 in cvs than at tier 8, also do you think players are likely to do that? Or just carry on trying to figure out how to play at T8. T8 is pretty much the introduction of widespread radar, where are they mean to practise against it. Might be difficult to do down on t4?

 

Then go to T5-6? You will occasionally meet short duration radar on that tiers aswell. And if you are willing to learn, i dont think its too much of a trouble, to type "wows (or world of warships) radar" into google, and the first link tells you which ships have radar. One thing about that, the wiki actually doesnt look good right now, it used to be much better. Every ship being listed seperately is really hard to look at...

However, people these days want to invest absolutely nothing into anything, and want to get handed everything to them on a silver platter.

 

What if the next guy comes in: "I dont know where to aim, cant i have an aim assist which tells me where to point at, because i dont know armor values". Isnt that kinda the same thing, but actually 100x more complex than some radar ships?