IFHE for Tirpitz?

[LiveWire___]

Hey all;

 

I have a Tripitz Black with 19pt captain, specced for secondaries, which works really well.

 

Considering the IFHE rework, is it worth further speccing her secondaries with this buff?

 

Looking at the raw numbers for her secondaries, her 5.9 inch (I'm English, I use inches) (150mm) guns have 38mm pen, which IFHE would buff to 47.5mm, which seems excellent. 

 

While her 4.1 inch guns (105mm) 26mm would be buffed to 32.5mm, which is also good.

 

Thoughts?

[Panocek]

Now compare numbers you've got with most common platings you will encounter. And then decide how often you get to actually use secondaries to justify spending basically all the points into those.

[mantiscore]

off topic: do i need ifhe on UK dds?

[DFens_666]

4 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

guns have 38mm pen, which IFHE would buff to 47.5mm, which seems excellent. 

 

In reality, that gives you no benefit tho. 38mm is already a (small but atleast it exists) threshold, which lets you pen T8+ US BB midsection. The next noticeable threshold would be 50mm, which you wont reach. Between 38 and 47mm, there isnt much which you could only pen with IFHE (i think vladi has 45mm somewhere)

 

5 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

While her 4.1 inch guns (105mm) 26mm would be buffed to 32.5mm, which is also good.

 

That atleast gives a good buff:

- T8-10 Cruisers have 27-30mm plating, so you can pen them. T8+ BBs have 32mm plating/bow/aft which you also can pen with IFHE.

On the other hand, you lose fire starting potential for all your guns.

 

Just now, mantiscore said:

off topic: do i need ifhe on UK dds?

Not anymore

[Commander_Ericson]

It's not a terrible idea. The 105's do a lot of the work, so getting them to pen 32mm will make a difference.

 

Personally I've gone with concealment to help get into position and disengage when I need to heal up.

[LiveWire___]

19 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Now compare numbers you've got with most common platings you will encounter. And then decide how often you get to actually use secondaries to justify spending basically all the points into those.

Snarky comments need not apply, chum. Thanks for nothing. 

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

Snarky comments need not apply, chum. Thanks for nothing. 

I'm just teaching you how to fish instead giving you one.

[LiveWire___]

9 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I'm just teaching you how to fish instead giving you one.

And I'm teaching you a lesson in civility. Manners cost nothing, sunshine. Feel free to stop "contributing" to this conversation.

 

Go peddle your bile elsewhere.

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, ElectricEliminator said:

And I'm teaching you a lesson in civility. Manners cost nothing, sunshine. Feel free to stop "contributing" to this conversation.

 

Go peddle your bile elsewhere.

If you know better, why asking in first place.

[von_chom]

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/213359-ifhe-all-night-long/

[LiveWire___]

Just now, Panocek said:

If you know better, why asking in first place.

Not that I need to explain myself to you, but I ask because, while I am perfectly capable of choosing my own commander skills, I am not a number cruncher. 

 

Hence, I ask because I know there are others who know the numbers very well.

 

And because I am not too proud to ask questions of those whom I know are better at these things than I am.

[LiveWire___]

4 minutes ago, von_chom said:

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/213359-ifhe-all-night-long/

That's an excellent article. Thanks!

[Kartoffelmos]

50 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

Looking at the raw numbers for her secondaries, her 5.9 inch (I'm English, I use inches) (150mm) guns have 38mm pen, which IFHE would buff to 47.5mm, which seems excellent. 

 

While her 4.1 inch guns (105mm) 26mm would be buffed to 32.5mm, which is also good.

 

Well, aside from using the inferior measurements system to make the gun calibre specifications less accurate, there really is little point in investing in IFHE for German battleships. Your 150 mm secondary guns already have good enough penetration to deal with most battleships and while increasing the threshold of the 105 mm might seem good on paper, you will decrease your firestarting capabilities massively (this is also rather disastrous for your main guns when you have to spam HE at angled targets).

 

Lastly, the IFHE rework actually freed up 4 points for secondary builds which is much better utilised for Fire Prevention or Concealment Expert. One of the main weakness with secondary builds is the lack of sustainability so there really is no point in not investing into Fire Prevention, for instance.

[LiveWire___]

2 minutes ago, Kartoffelmos said:

Well, aside from using the inferior measurements system to make the gun calibre specifications less accurate

Don't start Imperial measurement bashing! 

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

Not that I need to explain myself to you, but I ask because, while I am perfectly capable of choosing my own commander skills, I am not a number cruncher. 

 

Hence, I ask because I know there are others who know the numbers very well.

 

And because I am not too proud to ask questions of those whom I know are better at these things than I am.

For "manners guy" you're getting surprisingly triggered at the idea of doing research yourself. And no, checking armor schemes in this game isn't comparable to writing bachelor thesis, doesn't take weeks.

 

And for short answer, investing into secondaries isn't worth it unless you consistently yolo within their range every battle. And then, only place where you get something out of value from IFHE would be 105mm guns, which become effective against almost all cruisers and few unarmored battleships. Otherwise, when brawling BB with actual armor for plating, you're better without IFHE to retain some fire chance.

 

IFHE Secondary build puts too many "if" to be considered anything but meme.

[LiveWire___]

5 minutes ago, Panocek said:

For "manners guy" you're getting surprisingly triggered at the idea of doing research yourself.

I never begin with attitude, but am more than willing and able to use it if used against me. 

 

6 minutes ago, Panocek said:

And no, checking armor schemes in this game isn't comparable to writing bachelor thesis, doesn't take weeks.

True. But, as a casual gamer with a busy working life, I don't have the time.

7 minutes ago, Panocek said:

And for short answer, investing into secondaries isn't worth it unless you consistently yolo within their range every battle. And then, only place where you get something out of value from IFHE would be 105mm guns, which become effective against almost all cruisers and few unarmored battleships. Otherwise, when brawling BB with actual armor for plating, you're better without IFHE to retain some fire chance.

 

IFHE Secondary build puts too many "if" to be considered anything but meme.

Thankyou.

 

Wasn't so hard, was it? 

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

Thankyou.

 

Wasn't so hard, was it? 

Brief glimpse through tech trees with basic "is a>b? if yes, then worth. if no, then no" takes less time than typing that.

 

And if you are

3 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

casual gamer

then why are you concerning yourself with "number crunching" if X skill is good pick?

[LiveWire___]

6 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Brief glimpse through tech trees with basic "is a>b? if yes, then worth. if no, then no" takes less time than typing that.

You gave your answer, which was useful.

 

Don't spoil it by being snarky again.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, ElectricEliminator said:

Don't spoil it with being snarky again.

And you don't get yourself too triggered because someone dared to not give you answer on a silver platter but, gasp, asked you to learn something yourself.

[lafeel]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

And you don't get yourself too triggered because someone dared to not give you answer on a silver platter but, gasp, asked you to learn something yourself.

How was that old saying, oh right "make a man a fire and he'll be warm for today, light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life"

[LiveWire___]

Just now, Panocek said:

And you don't get yourself too triggered because someone dared to not give you answer on a silver platter but, gasp, asked you to learn something yourself.

I explained my reason for asking the question. It was a valid one. As a former student, I am more than capable of carrying out research. I am not, however, prepared to invest valuable time into doing so for a video game, hence my asking an honest, civil question on an open forum.

 

For which, I received many useful answers. So thanks to those who provided them.

 

And to you, for doing so belatedly. 

[LiveWire___]

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

How was that old saying, oh right "make a man a fire and he'll be warm for today, light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life"

I hadn't heard that one before, but from now on, I will be sure to carry a Petrol can wherever I go 

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, ElectricEliminator said:

I explained my reason for asking the question. It was a valid one. As a former student, I am more than capable of carrying out research. I am not, however, prepared to invest valuable time into doing so for a video game, hence my asking an honest, civil question on an open forum.

 

For which, I received many useful answers. So thanks to those who provided them.

 

And to you, for doing so belatedly. 

I'd understand resistance for learning school stuff like physics, chemistry etc you don't find entertaining but doing research on something you, supposedly, have fun doing shouldn't be that hard

[LiveWire___]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I'd understand resistance for learning school stuff like physics, chemistry etc you don't find entertaining but doing research on something you, supposedly, have fun doing shouldn't be that hard

It's not hard. It's time consuming. Not doing it for a game. Which I enjoy playing casually. I learned by asking, which is the best way of learning.

 

End of.

[Bortasqu]

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