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It's 2nd time within a week I've seen her in Randoms, is it a sign of advanced testing? Can we expect her as a premium, or is she going to be a part of Italian BB line? 

Does anybody knows what will be the difference between her and Roma, as they are sister ships?

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6 minutes ago, dommo77 said:

Does anybody knows what will be the difference between her and Roma, as they are sister ships?

She doesn't get HE as a option, she gets SAP instead, also (supposedly) has fuel smoke.

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I hate how they use "test" ships in live servers as they start overpowered and select few get to enjoy them before we, the general public get to have the nerfed versions.

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2 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

That's the point of supertesting....

Why do they call them supertester/supertesting instead of tester/testing anyway? What is super about it? 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Why do they call them supertester/supertesting instead of tester/testing anyway? What is super about it? 

 

 

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There are many testers: CC's, Moderators, Privateers, Supertesters. Each of them has different tasks and rules regarding testing.

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1 hour ago, lafeel said:

She doesn't get HE as a option, she gets SAP instead, also (supposedly) has fuel smoke.

Also improved turning, because you know, gotta get all those Italian cruiser perks. In exchange, 3s worse reload.

1 hour ago, dommo77 said:

It's 2nd time within a week I've seen her in Randoms, is it a sign of advanced testing? Can we expect her as a premium, or is she going to be a part of Italian BB line? 

Does anybody knows what will be the difference between her and Roma, as they are sister ships?

Premium and it'll be sold as AL Littorio likely.

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13 minutes ago, Greyshark said:

There are many testers: CC's, Moderators, Privateers, Supertesters. Each of them has different tasks and rules regarding testing.

I see where you are coming from and yes others are testing too, but are not the testers. Ships are given to them at the courtesy of WG. This way, WG is also using additional available resources for testing. The real testers are the so called super testers and i am yet to understand what is super about it.

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Vor 2 Minuten, Execute0rder66 sagte:

I see where you are coming from and yes others are testing too, but are not the testers. Ships are given to them at the courtesy of WG. This way, WG is also using additional available resources for testing. The real testers are the so called super testers and i am yet to understand what is super about it.

replace executive with super

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22 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Why do they call them supertester/supertesting instead of tester/testing anyway? What is super about it? 

"Super" as in above, before. 

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3 hours ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Also improved turning, because you know, gotta get all those Italian cruiser perks. In exchange, 3s worse reload.

Premium and it'll be sold as AL Littorio likely.

if she have the dispersion of the Roma, then does not matter if reloads as fast as a Kremlin or a Smolensk, it will be quite useless at over 10 km

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4 hours ago, dunbine said:

if she have the dispersion of the Roma, then does not matter if reloads as fast as a Kremlin or a Smolensk, it will be quite useless at over 10 km

Nope, she has SAP unlike Roma and Romas problem was never so much hitting stuff as not doing anything to it when its hit as with her AP its either shatter or overpen 90% of the time and HE shells are a meme...

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8 hours ago, waxx25 said:

I hate how they use "test" ships in live servers as they start overpowered and select few get to enjoy them before we, the general public get to have the nerfed versions.

The idea is to balance them before the general masses get them. If you want to play the overpowered versions: apply to be a supertester.

What I would like is some basic information on these ships. So we at least know what we are facing.

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37 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

The idea is to balance them before the general masses get them. If you want to play the overpowered versions: apply to be a supertester.

What I would like is some basic information on these ships. So we at least know what we are facing.

That the thing, you never know until it gets released.

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9 hours ago, waxx25 said:

I hate how they use "test" ships in live servers as they start overpowered and select few get to enjoy them before we, the general public get to have the nerfed versions.

And what about all the weak and underperforming test ships?! Supertesters have to play them too. While a normal player may ignore ships (s)he thinks that are too weak to enjoy playing, a tester cannot do the same. 

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43 minutes ago, principat121 said:

And what about all the weak and underperforming test ships?! Supertesters have to play them too. While a normal player may ignore ships (s)he thinks that are too weak to enjoy playing, a tester cannot do the same. 

How you dare to bring logic here!!!

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7 hours ago, dunbine said:

if she have the dispersion of the Roma, then does not matter if reloads as fast as a Kremlin or a Smolensk, it will be quite useless at over 10 km

Same dispersion, afaik, but Roma's problem, imo wasn't just dispersion. If it was dispersion, Richelieu that shares dispersion would be bad too, having same accuracy parameters and barely less shell velocity (and penetration). The difference between Roma and Richelieu is that Roma's range ends at like 18 km, so the window where you stop overpenning anything that isn't angled and the end of your range is smaller than on Richelieu that has 24 km. Roma has the identity crisis of a ship that has the pen of a long range specialist, but not the range of one, unlike ships that actually have ranges and pen AP characteristics befitting the range, like Richelieu (long range, high pen, so it can still wreck things at range) or Monarch (low range, mediocre pen, short fuze, so at almost no point in its underwhelming rangewill Monarch start overpenning anything but the lightest of platings). Obviously for Impero that is no issue, having access to SAP that can absolutely wreck at any range, but unlike with cruisers where the most noteworthy thing will be that it has no pen dropoff at range, SAP for Impero/Littorio will be extremely valuable to deal with:

  • Angled ships to continue crapping on them if they are not perfectly bow-in. Even then, derp it into superstructure.
  • BBs where you don't expect to get cits at closer ranges, like Bismarck. Reason I'm sceptical about SAP vs AP at longer ranges is that the further out you go, the less you can aim for specific parts and while AP might do a bit less damage per pen, these AP shells should still pen belt, while the SAP does not. Extreme ranges you won't reach anyway, as you get a bit over 20 km with spotter plane at best. Then you can go back to SAP.
  • Cruisers at closer ranges. Apart from the few ships you can outright citadel with SAP (Smolensk/Ochakov, Molotov, I think Shchors, Aoba, likely some others), 9 381 mm SAP pens can outright devstrike full hp T8 cruisers with their 36k SAP alpha. Given most of the time you don't run into full hp cruisers, less shells already do the trick.

Against DDs, I heard the shells do 10%, but even then, better than AP, worse than HE (1.2k for a SAP overpen vs 1.7k for a Roma HE pen. Neither is incredibly good).

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If the Impero is coming as a premium ship then my credit card is ready. I love / hate my Roma. It is gorgeous, perhaps the prettiest ship in the game and when the guns work it feels amazing. However, while all battleships can troll you with the RNG, Roma is the undisputed champion.  The experience of firing a full salvo into the side of an enemy cruiser at 8km getting 3 overpens and 6 misses is something I associate with Roma more than any other ship.

 

Given that her HE is pathetic, swapping it for SAP in the Impero will no doubt be a big improvement.

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15 hours ago, waxx25 said:

I hate how they use "test" ships in live servers as they start overpowered and select few get to enjoy them before we, the general public get to have the nerfed versions.

Well tbf it is the best way to test any new ship and see if it is decently balanced or not.

I would kinda enjoy the more unnerfed ships more, that's a given.

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17 hours ago, waxx25 said:

I hate how they use "test" ships in live servers as they start overpowered and select few get to enjoy them before we, the general public get to have the nerfed versions.

We testers try to test these ships so they are not released OP. We try our best to give constructive feedback and more often than not WG take our commenst on board

I dont think i brake any NDA in saying this..

 

Test ships do not change our stats up or down.  We dont get achievements (no Krakens on a test ship even if we get ten kills) they don't count to some missions


The simple fact is we can test ships a bit on the test server. But we just cant get the volume of games for it to be objective if you have 4 test ships in a match you need 20 other testers in Released ships.
Live tests allow a relatively few amount of testers to test ships in an environment with thousands of players. For the amount of times you meet them the maybe OP test ship wont effect your enjoyment or stats in teh game, and as i said games in test ship do not count towards our stats

 

My profile says in last 21 days ive played 57 games.

https://wows-numbers.com/player/510548353,T0byJug/

I have played many many more games than that but those 57 are in only release ships
and trust me its not all fun and games.. Test ships tend to get focused by other players
and NO test ships are not always OP when we first test them.. WE have had some REAL bad ones

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9 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

and NO test ships are not always OP when we first test them.. WE have had some REAL bad ones

Bet that Leone was real fun, right?

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Just now, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Bet that Leone was real fun, right?

NDA i cant say.. to much,,

It was a long time ago..But i quite liked her... But she is a DD i love them all so maybe im not objective.. What boy douse not love a petite little italian lady...

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17 hours ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Why do they call them supertester/supertesting instead of tester/testing anyway? What is super about it? 

 

 

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LOL well we get t-shirts with a I'm a supertaster on.. it makes us feel loved and special 

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2 hours ago, T0byJug said:

LOL well we get t-shirts with a I'm a supertaster on.. it makes us feel loved and special 

Well, as long as the t-shirts make you feel super, i guess that's what matters  :cap_like:

Besides, we all need those t-shirts from time to time.

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3 hours ago, T0byJug said:

We testers try to test these ships so they are not released OP. We try our best to give constructive feedback and more often than not WG take our commenst on board

I dont think i brake any NDA in saying this..

 

Test ships do not change our stats up or down.  We dont get achievements (no Krakens on a test ship even if we get ten kills) they don't count to some missions


The simple fact is we can test ships a bit on the test server. But we just cant get the volume of games for it to be objective if you have 4 test ships in a match you need 20 other testers in Released ships.
Live tests allow a relatively few amount of testers to test ships in an environment with thousands of players. For the amount of times you meet them the maybe OP test ship wont effect your enjoyment or stats in teh game, and as i said games in test ship do not count towards our stats

 

My profile says in last 21 days ive played 57 games.

https://wows-numbers.com/player/510548353,T0byJug/

I have played many many more games than that but those 57 are in only release ships
and trust me its not all fun and games.. Test ships tend to get focused by other players
and NO test ships are not always OP when we first test them.. WE have had some REAL bad ones

No worries mate, my complaint had nothing to do with stats and I believe you guys are doing good. Just hate being an unwilling participant in an experiment I suppose.

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