What STEEL ship should i Take???

[SamuraiFromGreece]

I have managed after 3 years of playing the game to collect the STEEL required to buy one of these 3 ships STALINGRAD, BOURGOGNE, or SHIKISHIMA, and i dont know which one to choose...i am a BB main but i play cruisers also...can somebody give me some suggestions?

[_HomTanks_]

Bourgogne.

[159Hunter]

Stalin is a CA that plays like a BB

Bourgogne is a BB that plays like a CA

 

I prefer Bourgogne, last CB season left me with a distaste for Stalin...

[HaachamaShipping]

Stalingrad is an oversized Moskva. If you like a high impact cruiser that can punish other ships, yet also can be pretty unforgiving if you mess up positioning, go for it.

 

Bourgogne has the worst T10 tankiness against anything that doesn't do cit hits. HE, SAP, light AP all can wreck Bourgogne, but it is fast, has incredible dpm with reload booster and thus takes French BB to the next level. If you liked French BB line, this is certainly good.

 

Shikishima is a Yamato for memes. Straight up worse in most areas, the two points where it is notable better are AA and secondaries. AA doesn't matter much though and running a Yamato on secondary build is sketchy.

 

If you are fully BB main, Bourgogne likely is best.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Stalingrad is unique but boring to play (like a BB)

Bourgogne is tier for tier a worse Jean Bart (guns more inaccurate), but still strong due to MBRB. Can play as BB or as flanking CA.

Shikishima I dont have, but from the reviews it is a Yamato with bigger alpha and less barrels. Not interested even if I had the steel.

 

[lossi_2018]

Secs Yami sounds fantastic :)

 

An sou aresei to Yamato go for it :D

[DFens_666]

18 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Bourgogne is tier for tier a worse Jean Bart (guns more inaccurate), but still strong due to MBRB.

 

50% more guns and better speedboost? I think the 0,1 sigma difference hardly matters, having more guns will easily compensate for that (and more).

 

@ OP

Stalingrad is really not much fun to play in randoms. Unless you enjoy being focused from everything, then go for it

Shikishima is just a Yamato... in worse

Bourgogne is hilariously fun, very strong (id actually say OP), and pretty unique. You can compare it to your Alsace, just imagine it being better (more accurate, better speedboost, MBRB)

[Captaindanz]

Depends if you play randoms only, because if you don't play CB i guess bourgogne is the best option, if you play CB than Stalingrad all the way.

[Miragetank90]

Stalin is pretty meh unless you're seeking to be active in competitive. Then, it's the best to have out of the 3 as a first pick. 

 

If you like fun and don't care about your PR then go for Bourgogne, it's very enjoyable to play. 

 

No comment on Shikishima for now, but it's not superior to Yama, I'll tell you that much. 

[Gvozdika]

I'll stick my neck out and say Stalingrad for utility and consistency. If you drive around in a steel ship you tend to get focused down anyway.

 

1) It is VERY easy to land damaging shots from most ranges vs. anything down to DD-sized targets - courtesy of that seriously suspect accuracy and flight time.

 

2) When you hit you often rack up nice full pen damage thanks to the short-threshold fusing. 

 

3) When you hit a target square on you often rack up citadel strikes thanks to the seriously suspect penetration figures. 

 

4) You are tougher than most cruisers and able to dish out more concentrated thumps of damage from longer and further away. 

 

5) Radar.

 

I should say I don't have Bourgogne or Shiki....shak.... Yamato plus. However I don't regret getting the Balansgrad for a second. It's stupid. It's moronic. The person who allowed it into the game needs firing. However it gets results.

[GulvkluderGuld]

16 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

50% more guns and better speedboost? I think the 0,1 sigma difference hardly matters, having more guns will easily compensate for that (and more).

Dont get me wrong, Bourgogne is a nice ship, and I know I'm probably a minority here. 

But there must be a reason my Bourgogne guns are so trolly compared to JB.

My Bourg simply can't be relied upon to hit any citadels with AP over 10-12 km where a JB would hit them much more reliably.

32,8% hit rate with JB main battery

27,7% with Bourgogne.

Maybe the ship is just cursed  

In that case probably any Alsace class is cursed as I also prefer the Richeleu over Alsace (also supported by stats with 26% alsace hitrate, 30% richeleu).

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Shikishima is a Yamato for memes. Straight up worse in most areas, the two points where it is notable better are AA and secondaries. AA doesn't matter much though and running a Yamato on secondary build is sketchy.

Has slightly better reload too. We had an issue with that particular thing yesterday on clan brawls. 

[DFens_666]

7 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Dont get me wrong, Bourgogne is a nice ship, and I know I'm probably a minority here. 

But there must be a reason my Bourgogne guns are so trolly compared to JB.

My Bourg simply can't be relied upon to hit any citadels with AP over 10-12 km where a JB would hit them much more reliably.

32,8% hit rate with JB main battery

27,7% with Bourgogne.

Maybe the ship is just cursed  

In that case probably any Alsace class is cursed as I also prefer the Richeleu over Alsace (also supported by stats with 26% alsace hitrate, 30% richeleu).

 

I also have better Hitrate with JB, but since you tend to shoot more shells with Bourg, it will make up for it.

According to proship, i fire 266 shells on average with Bourg, and 166 with JB. And with the hitrate i get 85 hits/battle with Bourg (32%) but only 58 with JB (35,23%).

[GulvkluderGuld]

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I also have better Hitrate with JB, but since you tend to shoot more shells with Bourg, it will make up for it.

According to proship, i fire 266 shells on average with Bourg, and 166 with JB. And with the hitrate i get 85 hits/battle with Bourg (32%) but only 58 with JB (35,23%).

Used WoWs-numbers; and you're right on average Bourg does hit more shells by simple calculus.

Unfortunately, those extra shell hits don't seem to DO very much according to my ship stats (ofc I'm no unicum with BBs, so I probably just suck)

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Used WoWs-numbers; and you're right on average Bourg does hit more shells by simple calculus.

Unfortunately, those extra shell hits don't seem to DO very much according to my ship stats (ofc I'm no unicum with BBs, so I probably just suck)

 

well its only 7 games, maybe just bad luck? I mean, if you can make JB work, i dont see how you would struggle with Bourg

My Thunderer and Kremlin feel equaly weird for the first game... dont hit anything. Latest game with Kremlin i played was finaly better, but occasionally i still felt a bit trolled (yoshino flat broadside <12km no cit ) Sometimes it just goes away if you play a ship more often^^

[I_come_bearing_gifts]

OP, like you, I have a ton of steal and like to spend some as I don't see a new steel ship coming anytime soon.

 

I've decided to go for the shitishima, my new nickname for the shikishima. It just allows me to accept that if it is as meh,  I can enjoy it and not worry about the cost.

 

Whatever you decide, just enjoy it.

[GulvkluderGuld]

29 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

well its only 7 games, maybe just bad luck? I mean, if you can make JB work, i dont see how you would struggle with Bourg

My Thunderer and Kremlin feel equaly weird for the first game... dont hit anything. Latest game with Kremlin i played was finaly better, but occasionally i still felt a bit trolled (yoshino flat broadside <12km no cit ) Sometimes it just goes away if you play a ship more often^^

I only played 11 games in it counting 4 (equally bad) ranked games, so it's possible. But it's definitely cursed.

It it feels more sluggish and guns more unreliable despite stats not really backup that claim up. I think Bourg has already made it onto my Black List, no matter what final stats could show.

[Ronchabale]

1 Stalingrad 

2 Bourgogne

3 Save the steel cos something new is always in the pipeline

4 Shikishima cant hit a barn from the inside and is just a lesser Yamato..  (I dont have it but this is the consensus of CC:s I follow  (Flamu, Flambass, Notser, Mr__Gibbins))

 

[tocqueville8]

Sorry to necro this thread, but with the coupon coming up again I think it makes sense to ask here: why is the Shikishima a "worse Yamato"?

 

- the secondaries are much better

- the AA is much better

- the rudder time is better

- the DPM is about the same, due to better reload and alpha

 

Are the accuracy and the tendency to overpen that much worse than on the Yammy, that they offset all that?

[_HomTanks_]

5 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Sorry to necro this thread, but with the coupon coming up again I think it makes sense to ask here: why is the Shikishima a "worse Yamato"?

 

- the secondaries are much better

- the AA is much better

- the rudder time is better

- the DPM is about the same, due to better reload and alpha

 

Are the accuracy and the tendency to overpen that much worse than on the Yammy, that they offset all that?

It is not a worse Yamato. People who like ships with more guns or who don’t have enough steel say this to satisfy themselves. Yes it overpens sometimes but it also deals very high damages to very angled ships Yamato can’t. It is a fine ship, just not for the ones who like ships with more guns like Lyon, Montana, etc.

[tocqueville8]

9 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

It is not a worse Yamato. People who like ships with more guns or who don’t have enough steel say this to satisfy themselves.

I like my Georgia well enough, though the Gneisenau...*shudders*.

 

I have to say, I checked some high damage replays and I saw very few secondary hits, so maybe it's more about the AA than about those Harugumos strapped to the sides...

[DFens_666]

28 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

- the secondaries are much better

- the AA is much better

- the rudder time is better

- the DPM is about the same, due to better reload and alpha

 

- using secondaries is really not something you should go for in a Yamato-type BB. Overpenetrating gets more likely on Cruisers, and BBs can easily rush you down because of the vulnerable citadel

- often doesnt matter either. good CVs will always strike you, and the others might die either way to flak

- also not that important, because Yamato playstyle is rather passive

- issue with IJN BB dispersion is the tendency that shells either fall short or go too far, having 9 shells do that is better than if you only have 6 shells.

 

Id say gun performance wise they are potentially the same, but if you factor in how much you need to pay, i think its definetely not worth it.

[ZombieOnWoWs]

FDR before it gets removed due to many complaints 

 

[_HomTanks_]

13 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

I like my Georgia well enough, though the Gneisenau...*shudders*.

 

I have to say, I checked some high damage replays and I saw very few secondary hits, so maybe it's more about the AA than about those Harugumos strapped to the sides...

My shiki is not secondary specked and performs very well.

[tocqueville8]

11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

- using secondaries is really not something you should go for in a Yamato-type BB. Overpenetrating gets more likely on Cruisers, and BBs can easily rush you down because of the vulnerable citadel

- often doesnt matter either. good CVs will always strike you, and the others might die either way to flak

- also not that important, because Yamato playstyle is rather passive

- issue with IJN BB dispersion is the tendency that shells either fall short or go too far, having 9 shells do that is better than if you only have 6 shells.

I don't get the "good CVs will always strike you" thing.

The Yamato is pretty much the softest target at T10: big, clumsy, and with notoriously bad AA. The Shiki doesn't have the best AA at her tier, but she is respectable. Yes, CVs will strike anyway, at least once, but that mid-range aura will punish them if they go for more passes. It doesn't mean I'm going to deter an FDR, but it's a huge improvement precisely in one of the weakspots of the Yammy.

 

The rudder is almost like that of a Yamato that took the rudder module: not game-changing, but still welcome.

 

I dunno...

My WR in the Yamato is pretty bad (53-54% or something), but I think it's because I play her too passively around the middle, instead of picking a flank and going with it. The damage is good, as I get lots of broadsides, but I don't sink many ships early enough to have an impact. Also, because I'm often the only BB trying to cover that area and crossfire, I'll get focused by the CV, so the improved AA would be welcome.