Limit bots or really bad players to Coop

[Zen71_sniper]

As the title says - why don't you make it a minimum requirement for playing Randoms? Do you really think that this player (if it is not a bot) belongs to Randoms?

 

 

And in case you wonder, he rushed into cap and tried to torp Oland. 18:33 left in game and he was dead. How difficult is to fix this? This is not once-off - this happens daily!

 

WHY DO YOU ALLOW ONE   TO SPOIL THE GAME FOR 11 (MOSTLY) PAYING CUSTOMERS ?!??! 

 

 

[PeteEarthling]

You are a sniper. You cannot understand the joy of rushing. 

 

If bad players were banned from random games, that mode would be rather dead. We good players have made exodus to coop games quite some time ago. 

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Okay, heres a PvP problem.

Im a generally good player- 55+ % WR, meaning im around 90th percentile in WR (last time i checked). Ban the lower 10% and i will be relatively more mediocre, while youll create a new class of worst players. Eventually, youll end up with only the best players making up your random playerbase, and theyll average below 50% WR, even though that group currently averages like 65%. 

[DanSilverwing]

No thanks, there are enough bots and poor players invading co-op as it is!

 

That's good because there is less competition for kills, but bad because an official bot is more dependable.

[Zen71_sniper]

7 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Okay, heres a PvP problem.

Im a generally good player- 55+ % WR, meaning im around 90th percentile in WR (last time i checked). Ban the lower 10% and i will be relatively more mediocre, while youll create a new class of worst players. Eventually, youll end up with only the best players making up your random playerbase, and theyll average below 50% WR, even though that group currently averages like 65%. 

You are missing the point. I am not talking about your 40% - ers  which are WG's target market with the hyped up premiums. Not your usual bad player, who will learn. 

 

I am talking about a guy who has 0.1 frag rate. The guy who has PR of 4. The guy who just dies in first 2 minutes. 

 

I am talking about a bot or someone who doesn't give a flying f..k about his team while playing a "team" game.

 

[U69_2020]

WR is no failsafe indicator. I have 100% WR both in random and coop, but after only roughly 300 games this does not top the experience and skill of some 60% WR player with 10K games.

[Saltface]

Just now, Zen71_sniper said:

I am talking about a guy who has 0.1 frag rate. The guy who has PR of 4. The guy who just dies in first 2 minutes. 

 

I am talking about a bot or someone who doesn't;t give a flying f..k about playing a team game.

Good that you clarified because I was ready to answer to you.

 

Maybe you should clarify in your opening post because many will understand that you want to exclude poor performance players from randoms.

 

Regards

[Saltface]

1 minute ago, U69_2020 said:

I have 100% WR both in random and coop

in how many battles? 300?

 

What you are saying is either blatantly untrue or a statistical paradox.

I will not take your word for that. Your stats are hidden. (fishy)

 

If it is untrue I am calling you out for being a close relative of Baron Von Munchausen.

If it is a statistical paradox please post a screenshot of your stats.

 

 

[U69_2020]

3 minutes ago, Saltface said:

in how many battles? 300?

 

What you are saying is either blatantly untrue or a statistical paradox.

I will not take your word for that. Your stats are hidden. (fishy)

 

If it is untrue I am calling you out for being a close relative of Baron Von Munchausen.

If it is a statistical paradox please post a screenshot of your stats.

Exactly, my stats are hidden. You see, a lot of players are apparently using some mod or app to show WR, PR, idk whatsoever - and then, those people begin to act weird. You find yourself at the head of a lemmingtrain and can't sneak around anymore. The entire enemy team either focusses you or evades you like a plague. Games become unfun either way. So believe it or not, it is the truth. If it soothes you, my WR in sub battles is not 100%, but only 85% or so (I guess here, because it's not recorded afaik).

[Zen71_sniper]

12 minutes ago, Saltface said:

Good that you clarified because I was ready to answer to you.

 

Maybe you should clarify in your opening post because many will understand that you want to exclude poor performance players from randoms.

 

Regards

Et tu Saltface?

 

I have read your previous posts and you are generally balanced and worth reading ;) 

 

But, In the opening, I said "really bad" - if that is not clear, then I give up....  

[Zip__]

3 minutes ago, U69_2020 said:

Exactly, my stats are hidden. You see, a lot of players are apparently using some mod or app to show WR, PR, idk whatsoever - and then, those people begin to act weird. You find yourself at the head of a lemmingtrain and can't sneak around anymore. The entire enemy team either focusses you or evades you like a plague. Games become unfun either way. So believe it or not, it is the truth. If it soothes you, my WR in sub battles is not 100%, but only 85% or so (I guess here, because it's not recorded afaik).

 

Well just take a screenshot and post it. You can then put it back to hidden after. I find this very hard to believe too.

 

2 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

But, In the opening, I said "really bad" - if that is not clear, then I give up....  

 

Instead of always looking to punish the bad players, why not reward the good players instead? 

[Saltface]

2 minutes ago, U69_2020 said:

Exactly, my stats are hidden. You see, a lot of players are apparently using some mod or app to show WR, PR, idk whatsoever - and then, those people begin to act weird. You find yourself at the head of a lemmingtrain and can't sneak around anymore. The entire enemy team either focusses you or evades you like a plague. Games become unfun either way. So believe it or not, it is the truth. If it soothes you, my WR in sub battles is not 100%, but only 85% or so (I guess here, because it's not recorded afaik).

Very bad answer. I think I made up my mind.

 

You are suggesting that you are such a good player that when the others see how good you are follow you around?

Or they run scared away or focus you because they know you are good?

 

I suggest you should really try to involve the prefrontal cortex in game and in forum not only the limbic system.

 

[lossi_2018]

29 minutes ago, U69_2020 said:

WR is no failsafe indicator. I have 100% WR both in random and coop, but after only roughly 300 games this does not top the experience and skill of some 60% WR player with 10K games.

or the 50% of a 20k player also

[lossi_2018]

3 minutes ago, Saltface said:

Very bad answer. I think I made up my mind.

 

You are suggesting that you are such a good player that when the others see how good you are follow you around?

Or they run scared away or focus you because they know you are good?

 

I suggest you should really try to involve the prefrontal cortex in game and in forum not only the limbic system.

 

he may be hyperbolic or exaggerating but he is a good sub player, I've played him a couple of times 

[Saltface]

11 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

"really bad"

A fratello mio, really bad is not BOT. My dearest friend your title calls for bad players removal.

I totally agree about BOTS, I disagree about bad or really bad players.

 

If you can find a way to find out who is griefing, AFKing, YOLOing etc on purpose, then ban them also.

Until we have real proof how can we kick out players that might be also paying customers?

 

I share your frustration, but, I guess I m older and more easy to say "yeah, ok, it happens"

 

OK now I also shared my opinion.

 

Thank you very much for the compliments I don't know if I deserve them.

 

Regards

 

[lossi_2018]

1 hour ago, Zen71_sniper said:

As the title says - why don't you make it a minimum requirement for playing Randoms? Do you really think that this player (if it is not a bot) belongs to Randoms?

 

 

And in case you wonder, he rushed into cap and tried to torp Oland. 18:33 left in game and he was dead. How difficult is to fix this? This is not once-off - this happens daily!

 

WHY DO YOU ALLOW ONE   TO SPOIL THE GAME FOR 11 (MOSTLY) PAYING CUSTOMERS ?!??! 

 

 

I just couldn't argue again, against an elitist post, but you clarified so I'll just pass. In almost all pvp games the players are a mixed bag though and not separated by tiers, I may be wrong here but I'm pretty sure I've played a number of them with 'fresh' players or against them. They have to learn somewhere you can't really exclude them. You can make a mode where 'good' players will play and have their fun though. I believe it is doable. It is also doable to completely ban divisions from randoms, as a solo player I don't like playing against them.

[Saltface]

1 minute ago, lossi_2018 said:

against an elitist post

stop this my friend. I beg of you.

Don't accuse people for elitism. And you should know better that our fellow forumite is just expressing frustration. 

 

BTW if by elitist you mean the people that LOVE the game in contrast to others that just play for fun, then my friend,

 

I AM A PROUD ELITIST

 

regards

[Zen71_sniper]

OK, so to make it clear.

 

I am not against bad players - I was one (and I am still not exactly unicum). No issues there and all what you have written is more or less valid. 

 

I am against someone who on PURPOSE just YOLOs. Look at this guys stats in Gadjah Mada! Average damage 8k. Frag 0.1. PR: 4!!!! And he didn't even make 2 minutes in game. One game fine -s..t happens. But this is 20 games....

 

Please carry on arguing that this is OK.... That this is elitist, etc.  I would really like to hear how can you justify selfish and ignorant behaviour, like what this guy does. 

[U69_2020]

17 minutes ago, Saltface said:

Very bad answer. I think I made up my mind.

 

You are suggesting that you are such a good player that when the others see how good you are follow you around?

Or they run scared away or focus you because they know you are good?

 

I suggest you should really try to involve the prefrontal cortex in game and in forum not only the limbic system.

 

I can only tell you what I noticed, and that the problem was gone after I had hidden my stats. Maybe those mods or whatever people use do not tell you the number of games the player in question has under his belt, and without this information WR/PR is a useless piece of information. And THIS was the reason I mentioned my WR in the context of this thread. You cannot tell if a player is good only by looking at his WR.

[lossi_2018]

1 minute ago, Saltface said:

stop this my friend. I beg of you.

Don't accuse people for elitism. And you should know better that our fellow forumite is just expressing frustration. 

 

BTW if by elitist you mean the people that LOVE the game in contrast to others that just play for fun, then my friend,

 

I AM A PROUD ELITIST

 

regards

I thought he meant something else and I believe I didn't say anything at the end but just expressed my opinion.

 

I don't mean that of course. Never had. I respect your love for the game and most of what you say here.

[U69_2020]

16 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

he may be hyperbolic or exaggerating but he is a good sub player, I've played him a couple of times 

I am neither. I stated that I had a WR of 100% both in random and in coop games, probably 85% in sub games, and that I have played roughly 300 games so far. Half of those were sub games, as I consider myself to be a sub main. Every bit of information in this statement is true. And yet, it tells you not everything you would need to take into consideration to get the whole picture. Q.E.D. 

[lossi_2018]

4 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

OK, so to make it clear.

 

I am not against bad players - I was one (and I am still not exactly unicum). No issues there and all what you have written is more or less valid. 

 

I am against someone who on PURPOSE just YOLOs. Look at this guys stats in Gadjah Mada! Average damage 8k. Frag 0.1. PR: 4!!!! And he didn't even make 2 minutes in game. One game fine -s..t happens. But this is 20 games....

 

Please carry on arguing that this is OK.... That this is elitist, etc.  I would really like to hear how can you justify selfish and ignorant behaviour, like what this guy does. 

By the time I've read it all and answered you have clarified it, so I negated it basically. What I'm saying is that this isn't such a post, that don't mean they don't exist. Anyway I just offered my opinion in general after that.

[gabberworld]

its funny thread, because after bad players limited for coop only, then good players start limited too because there always someone better and then only 1 player can play after that in randoms.

 

just make Tournament game mode for the inside game.

[Saltface]

4 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

OK, so to make it clear.

 

I am not against bad players - I was one (and I am still not exactly unicum). No issues there and all what you have written is more or less valid. 

 

I am against someone who on PURPOSE just YOLOs. Look at this guys stats in Gadjah Mada! Average damage 8k. Frag 0.1. PR: 4!!!! And he didn't even make 2 minutes in game. One game fine -s..t happens. But this is 20 games....

 

Please carry on arguing that this is OK.... That this is elitist, etc.  I would really like to hear how can you justify selfish and ignorant behaviour, like what this guy does. 

I agree. Thank you for considering a clarification.

 

On a second note:

Yes you are an elitist. I am an elitist. 

But elitist is a good word.

Definition: In WoWs Forum an Elitist is the player that loves the game and  doesn't play just for fun.

 

 

[lossi_2018]

2 minutes ago, U69_2020 said:

I am neither. I stated that I had a WR of 100% both in random and in coop games, probably 85% in sub games, and that I have played roughly 300 games so far. Half of those were sub games, as I consider myself to be a sub main. Every bit of information in this statement is true. And yet, it tells you not everything you would need to take into consideration to get the whole picture. Q.E.D. 

I was trying to make your statement more palatable for the crowd here. I don't mind at all your numbers. But there are people here that will measure or value your opinion depending on what your WR is and not it's context. 300 games is a lot of games to not have lost in a Gaede. I suck at it as it is my first pvp DD also but the boat is pretty good so idk.