[EZKIL] Sir_Sinksalot Players 1,510 posts 8,248 battles Report post #1 Posted June 13, 2020 Not too uncommon a scene is the above screenshot but I've never actually witnessed the why? Is it because some moron with an equally big ship such as a BB or auto-pilot CV literally pushes the Raptor off course or does the Raptor just go full autism all by itself lol? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EUR] lossi_2018 Players 3,122 posts Report post #2 Posted June 13, 2020 What you said, and dodging torps. Due to the implementation of this 3 ways possible exit point, the AI can't handle or pathfind the new routes as the appearance of the enemy waves is random-like and erratic. If the team don't go ahead of the CV and 'open' way or escort as it should, but hide behind it in the green bubble, the first ship the AI bots see is the Raptor. A dodge by the endangered CV at the wrong time can send it on a rock and the AI is notoriously bad at handling it. Keep in mind the Raptor must stop at prearranged 'pitstops' that are timed. IF the opportunity is lost (cuz it is stuck on rock) the scenario moves on to next phase (the support ships continue towards target) but the Raptor just stays there even if someone manages to unstuck it and push it towards target (I've done it) , it is a fix in the algorithm that needs to be looked at but they can't do it, as no time was left after all available resources were expended on nerfing the cred and xp gains :) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LSCA] gabberworld Players 2,104 posts 16,946 battles Report post #3 Posted June 13, 2020 my question is, why its still not fixed, they posted that its fixed by now 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #4 Posted June 13, 2020 Raptor has no reverse gear. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] DeviousDave02 [TACHA] Players 679 posts 3,786 battles Report post #5 Posted June 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said: Not too uncommon a scene is the above screenshot but I've never actually witnessed the why? Is it because some moron with an equally big ship such as a BB or auto-pilot CV literally pushes the Raptor off course or does the Raptor just go full autism all by itself lol? I believe it's the AI auto pilot attempting to avoid a perceived collision with another ship by overreacting and crashing into the island in its efforts to evade. Once on the Island the Raptor will refuse to reverse which prevents the AI from un-beaching her. I'm not 100% positive but I believe the way point system occasionally might break too when this happens as I have seen the Raptor meander aimlessly once pushed off the island or re-beach herself immediately by turning back onto the island. Can also be caused by Torpedoes passing close to the Raptor (or any ship on auto pilot for that matter) This is why I NEVER go near the Raptor in my CV when I can help it while close to an Island. It's just far too risky that someone will end up beached (either the Raptor or me). For the starting islands I plot a course south of the bottom island the raptor is broke down near and set my speed to 3/4 so that everyone else will be ahead of me (as I have had too many instances of tunnel vision BB's sniping the first group of enemy ships and not watching where they are going, smashing into my Carrier and pushing my CV off course and into the Raptor's Islands - [Or just getting butt hurt in chat that my CV is blocking their way and demanding I move] ) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LSCA] gabberworld Players 2,104 posts 16,946 battles Report post #6 Posted June 13, 2020 anyway if something happens like that, you can always push them self for go away at stuck , done that couple off times. also you can push them behind for drive faster. or block them if they run away at heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STEEL] GrossadmiralRattenkoenig [STEEL] Players 92 posts Report post #7 Posted June 13, 2020 An easy fix for this that takes the competence of the AI programmers into consideration would be to simply remove all islands on the map. 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] NobleRipper Players 1,211 posts Report post #8 Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, lossi_2018 said: ...it is a fix in the algorithm that needs to be looked at but they can't do it, as no time was left after all available resources were expended on nerfing the cred and xp gains :) That's the fix right there; the problem is, they only applied it to Narai and haven't gotten around to Raptor yet 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #9 Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Sir_Sinksalot said: Not too uncommon a scene is the above screenshot but I've never actually witnessed the why? Is it because some moron with an equally big ship such as a BB or auto-pilot CV literally pushes the Raptor off course or does the Raptor just go full autism all by itself lol? Too much alcohol in the ward room? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] NobleRipper Players 1,211 posts Report post #10 Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Inappropriate_noob said: Too much alcohol in the ward room? Tch, and the USN is supposed to be a dry navy as well... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #11 Posted June 13, 2020 Maybe there is no island. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FNF-L] Latouche_Treville Players 1,395 posts 12,229 battles Report post #12 Posted June 13, 2020 You mean, we are in the matrix?? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #13 Posted June 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Latouche_Treville said: You mean, we are in the matrix?? In a sense... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] DeviousDave02 [TACHA] Players 679 posts 3,786 battles Report post #14 Posted June 14, 2020 You know, I kinda think the Raptor is doing it on purpose. That she just decides to moonlight as a full air field sometimes rather than a CV by beaching on an island. She wants to prove that she too can be a project Habbakuk but with a 100% less Iceberg and 100% more Island. You know what would be a easy fix for this mission and would allow the Raptor to live out her Aerodrome dreams? If the mission ended in victory when the players killed off all hostile ships that spawn. I mean does it reaaaaaaaalllllly matter if the Raptor gets to the exit when every last hostile in 40km of her is currently pulling double time as a man made reef? I'll accept an Enterprise as payment for solving you Raptor issue WarGaming, thanks 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #15 Posted June 14, 2020 It's not only Raptor. Even escort ships do that stupid thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #16 Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, _DeathWing_ said: It's not only Raptor. Even escort ships do that stupid thing. Get stuck behind rocks? I've said it before, the WeeGee AI is military grade and has specific algorithms giving it potential to learn from random battles and human players. It is merely mimicking human behaviour to perfection! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #17 Posted June 14, 2020 the smell of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #18 Posted June 14, 2020 10 hours ago, DeviousDave02 said: You know what would be a easy fix for this mission and would allow the Raptor to live out her Aerodrome dreams? If the mission ended in victory when the players killed off all hostile ships that spawn. This is actually a very good idea, make it OR mission like in Narai - Raptor exits OR all bots killed 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EZKIL] Sir_Sinksalot Players 1,510 posts 8,248 battles Report post #19 Posted June 14, 2020 Caught in the act. The CV player is gracefully going about his business. Meanwhile back at HQ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BASIC] koliber_1984 Players 1,113 posts 27,807 battles Report post #20 Posted June 14, 2020 The one and only cause is stronk programmink 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYS] Maviba_76 [PONYS] Players 5,507 posts 23,206 battles Report post #21 Posted June 14, 2020 Most time it's because other genius players block or ram her. That somehow messes up the autopilot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EUR] lossi_2018 Players 3,122 posts Report post #22 Posted June 14, 2020 haven't played in 2 days what did I miss ? :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] DeviousDave02 [TACHA] Players 679 posts 3,786 battles Report post #23 Posted June 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said: haven't played in 2 days what did I miss ? :) -The Raptor becoming an aerodrome. -Sir_Sinksalot exposing the seedy underbelly of CV auto pilot game play. -WarGaming failing at life. -Everyone kill stealing my kills :( -My utter hatred of the WarHammer 40k collab sink 30 ships loot boxes. -The Raptor going to the beach in a bikini for her OAD beach episode (so lewd) and refusing to get back to the plot. -Every single human being in the multiverse agreeing that WarGaming should improve Ops. -The discovery that we have nothing to fear from WarGamings AI becoming Skynet as it will simply crash into all house hold furniture like a evil Rumba gone wrong. -More WarGaming failings. -Did I mention the kill stealing? -New episode of when support ships go wild. Think that sums it up. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STEEL] GrossadmiralRattenkoenig [STEEL] Players 92 posts Report post #24 Posted June 15, 2020 But miracles happen. Sometimes. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EUR] lossi_2018 Players 3,122 posts Report post #25 Posted June 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, GrossadmiralRattenkoenig said: But miracles happen. Sometimes. gj mate :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
