As a DD main I claim the game is unplayable right now

[Palachinka]

In my few recent battles playing Z-46, as soon as I get with in 10-12km range of other players I get spotted. Smoke or no smoke its irrelavant.

 

Concealment and smoke are totally pointless, my torps are 10km and my guns cant hit anything further than 7ish, I have 5.9km concealment but who cares.

How do you play DD now? I wish I could get my money back as I only enjoy DDs.

[invicta2012]

13 minutes ago, Palachinka said:

How do you play DD now? I wish I could get my money back as I only enjoy DDs.

Keep your smoke for later in the game, it's no use while all the radar cruisers are alive. 

Back into caps and plan your exit so that you can exit quickly and safely if spotted/radared.

Bait radar cruisers by playing tap-and-go with objectives, radar is a consumable, make them waste it and reveal their location.

Radar cruisers are generally hiding behind something and their mates are normally behind something else to make a crossfire. That means they're static and predictable. You can use that information, if you have team mates who are awake. 

 

(that's what I was told, anyway).

[Camperdown]

It is of no interest to WeeGee. They are selling super duper balans cruisers and we should be happy and shut up. 

[RAYvenMP]

it is always like this when new shinnies are released. If you can't handle it, try playing some other class for few weeks

[Lootboxer]

Just do not play anything with lesser then 12 km torps at the moment, unless in a division able to capitalise on your spotting and blap those radar ships.

It will pass in a few months.

if you have any high tier BBs  to grind play them and enjoy killing them.

[Camperdown]

Just now, RAYvenMP said:

it is always like this when new shinnies are released. If you can't handle it, try playing some other class for few weeks

You and many others are missing the point by a mile. 

It is not about not being able to handle it, it is about the game being completely off balance so that DD play is no longer fun or engaging.

Why is it that BB mains complain if they for once cannot instantly zap something, but if a DD player says a deluge of radar is making DDs no longer playable, it is treated as whining?

[invicta2012]

4 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

It is of no interest to WeeGee. They are selling super duper balans cruisers and we should be happy and shut up. 

They're a bit too good at creating "punching down" situations, rather than game balance.

[Camperdown]

5 minutes ago, DariusJacek said:

Just do not play anything with lesser then 12 km torps at the moment, unless in a division able to capitalise on your spotting and blap those radar ships.

It will pass in a few months.

if you have any high tier BBs  to grind play them and enjoy killing them.

That's exactly the point. As a DD you have to stay far out, which is not the point of playing DD. So the game becomes stale.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

3 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

You and many others are missing the point by a mile. 

It is not about not being able to handle it, it is about the game being completely off balance so that DD play is no longer fun or engaging.

Why is it that BB mains complain if they for once cannot instantly zap something, but if a DD player says a deluge of radar is making DDs no longer playable, it is treated as whining?

 

Its the same when ANY new lines are released.

So... If you are not in the flock playing a new line... COUNTER them.

At the moment best counter are either BBs, CAs or CVs.

 

But dont play CVs... ;)

[Verblonde]

23 minutes ago, Palachinka said:

How do you play DD now?

Same way we always have, only with a modicum of extra caution at the moment, due to the current spike in radars due to interest in the new Russians.

 

@invicta2012 covers off a lot of the key points very well; besides that:

• 'Backing into' doesn't necessarily have to mean going in reverse; coming into a cap from an oblique angle can work, so you can get out quickly (if lit up) with much less turning and whilst still maintaining speed.
• Don't worry excessively about caps (regardless of people in chat); as a DD, your key aim is to stay alive - your influence increases as the enemy radar gets sunk. Generally, the team that finishes the enemy DDs first wins, so try not to let that happen.
• Make a lot of use of the mini-map and never lose track of the enemy radars, if possible.
• Minimise the number of enemy ships that have LoS (or rather line-of-ballistics, I suppose) to you; you are going to get lit up by something, and when you do, it's easier to dodge the fire from fewer ships. Try and keep islands between you and particular threats, or within a short distance.
• Think about uses of smoke beyond simply blocking LoS: you can use it as bait with care e.g. if a radar sees a cloud of smoke near the edge of its range there is a good chance it'll use a charge to find out what caused it/is hiding in/behind it. Assuming you can get away before the inevitable shells arrive, you've just reduced the enemy's radar capacity by one (not to mention put the ship in question on cooldown, which time can be made use of, although beware multiple ships cycling their radars).

BTW much of this also applies to dealing with carriers, which are a much greater threat to DDs, mainly because of the much longer spotting time (radar maxes out at rather less than a minute, and the nasty Russian ones are rather less e.g. 36 secs on Moskva with a coal mod)...

[ColonelPete]

42 minutes ago, Palachinka said:

In my few recent battles playing Z-46, as soon as I get with in 10-12km range of other players I get spotted. Smoke or no smoke its irrelavant.

 

Concealment and smoke are totally pointless, my torps are 10km and my guns cant hit anything further than 7ish, I have 5.9km concealment but who cares.

How do you play DD now? I wish I could get my money back as I only enjoy DDs.

I play DD as always.

[Camperdown]

6 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

 

Its the same when ANY new lines are released.

So... If you are not in the flock playing a new line... COUNTER them.

At the moment best counter are either BBs, CAs or CVs.

 

But dont play CVs... ;)

It's not just a new line, it's an entire class of ships being continuously crapped on.

[Saltface]

11 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

but if a DD player says a deluge of radar is making DDs no longer playable, it is treated as whining?

DD players don't whine.

We play the toughest class and thats it.

 

No whining....just play and sink them.

 

Full disclosure: Nothing is a "problem" for a DD player. Nope not CVs, not Radar, not Hydro......

 

uhmmmm...I am a DD main...lol....post rework as well....so my opinion counts

 

[ForlornSailor]

48 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

*EDIT*

 

I wanna solve the puzzle!

 

MONOPTERON !

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monopteron

 

 

[Verblonde]

@palachinka86 as a post-script, it rather looks like Z-46 may be your first T9 DD, and you have two T8s? I also infer that you've taken a break at some point (1.5K and change random battles, but you're showing history for ships pre-dating the Russian DD split in early 2017). Am I guessing along the right lines?

 

If so, don't forget that the game gets a lot harder in higher tiers, and mistakes tend to be punished harder; depending on how many of your games are recent, some of your experience may well date from earlier meta states (when DDs arguably had fewer effective predators) too.

 

That's not to say you're Doomed, but rather to suggest that some modification/revision of technique/methodologies may be called for.

[Verblonde]

9 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

MONOPTERON !

I just learned a new word...!

 

I initially read it as 'homopteran' (a group of bugs, using correct non-American usage of 'bugs')...

[ForlornSailor]

2 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

I just learned a new word...!

 

I initially read it as 'homopteran' (a group of bugs, using correct non-American usage of 'bugs')...

 

I learned it too just a few minutes ago. I dont think there is another word, that fits the description of Helmut (besides the obvious one ^^) and I had to browse the dictionary to find it. xD

[lafeel]

You can claim whatever you want, doesn't make it true.

[illy]

i am mainly playing the Swedish DDs, hit and run and keep pumping those torps out and run like feck if you get spotted, the Oland has decent AA and i got 2 AA Defence Expert awards in her yesterday, as for radar no way to counter except have a plan in case you get detected, they are fun and frustrating at the same time but definitely not boring

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, illy said:

except have a plan in case you get detected

To be fair, having a plan for when the *edited* hits the fan is a good idea in every class in this game, not just the DD's.

[_Teob_]

Cleaned up the thread a bit. Please take the OP as a request for help instead of an opportunity to troll.

Either give constructive solutions, empathise or simply move on to a different thread.

 

When someone is frustrated already, trying to be funny isn't a lot of help.

[U69_2020]

The answer to the problem has been prepared by WG for a while, and it lies beneath the surface. Submarines. Pretty sure the Unicorns of Stalin cannot hit you there. First WG needs to sell the poison, then they will sell the antidote.

[Spartan_Renegade]

2 hours ago, Palachinka said:

In my few recent battles playing Z-46, as soon as I get with in 10-12km range of other players I get spotted. Smoke or no smoke its irrelavant.

 

Concealment and smoke are totally pointless, my torps are 10km and my guns cant hit anything further than 7ish, I have 5.9km concealment but who cares.

How do you play DD now? I wish I could get my money back as I only enjoy DDs.

 
Try getting rudder upgrades and see if it helps...though you can't really hunt CVs and lone BBs until radar ships aren't anywhere in the vicinity...successfully dodging incoming fire can save you and/or annoy your opponent. 
 

[Palachinka]

I know how to play Z-46 and am very good with it, I enjoy a challenge so its not whining but in a battle with CV, 3-4 radars I cant even get close to people to apply my threats. Hydro is not a problem but when I cant get closer than 10-12 km for first 5 mins to anything, its a problem. 

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

BTW much of this also applies to dealing with carriers, which are a much greater threat to DDs, mainly because of the much longer spotting time (radar maxes out at rather less than a minute, and the nasty Russian ones are rather less e.g. 36 secs on Moskva with a coal mod)...

Brit DDs can deal with carriers quite well with their multiple smokes. Radar on other hand requires hard cover, not always present.