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Update 0.9.5 will see the Soviet cruiser branch split into two sub-branches. flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva is a heavy cruiser, and she is going to leave the light cruiser branch and acquire the status of special ship that's available in exchange for Coal. She'll be replaced in the tech tree by light cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bX Alexander Nevsky. flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23premium_1114542bcd311c388080eea3a4d54a7eV Kirov will also leave the branch to become a Premium ship. She'll be replaced by flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bV Kotovsky. The Premium version of Kirov is based on her standard hull that historically existed. The ship’s AA armament is the same as for her standard hull, while all of her other characteristics are same as for her researchable hull. At the same time, it will be possible to choose between the Spotting Aircraft and Fighter consumables.

 

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  • Cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva will acquire the status of being a special ship. This means that the base cost of the post-battle service of this ship will be reduced from 180,000 to 90,000 credits, and Commanders from other ships of the same nation can be assigned to her without any penalties or retraining requirements.
  • You'll receive cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva under the following circumstances: if you've already researched but haven't yet purchased her; if you sold her; or if you’ve had the branch reset through the Research Bureau.
  • If your progress through the Soviet cruiser branch has been reset, the Research Point bonus will be transferred to flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bX Alexander Nevsky.
  • The unique upgrade and combat mission for cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva, as well as any permanent camouflages you’ve purchased, will be preserved. If the Type 20 permanent camouflage hasn't yet been purchased, it will be added.
  • The Commander of cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva will preserve his specialization.
  • Cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bX Alexander Nevsky can be obtained only after she has been researched and purchased in the Tech Tree.
  • The same rules apply to cruiser flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23premium_1114542bcd311c388080eea3a4d54a7eV Kirov and her tech tree replacement flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bV Kotovsky, except that Kirov will become a Premium ship instead of a special ship.

 

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So if somebody have flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva in port, will still need to in reserch and purchase flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bX Alexander Nevsky??

How it possible, that if somebody never spend 20,5M credits for flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva, or sell it for half of this value, will receive this ship for free and somebody who have flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva in port (and spend 20,5M credits) don't receive any recompense??

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18 minutes ago, mbspider said:

So if somebody have flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva in port, will still need to in reserch and purchase flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23standard_874a3bdc3134b8da4fd6f52186f1b2bX Alexander Nevsky??

How it possible, that if somebody never spend 20,5M credits for flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva, or sell it for half of this value, will receive this ship for free and somebody who have flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva in port (and spend 20,5M credits) don't receive any recompense??

You paid for the "early access". You can also still sell the ship and come out credit positive.

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45 minutes ago, EternalGriever said:

You paid for the "early access". You can also still sell the ship and come out credit positive.

Very funny

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Před 2 hodinami mbspider řekl/a:

somebody who have flag_Russia_6ce701e1c2f2ac3909a68a0a7b23special_333a61069a325ba8314cbbae96c1a345X Moskva in port (and spend 20,5M credits) don't receive any recompense??

 

He will also recieve ,,premium,, Moskva. And if he sell tech tree Moskva before 0.9.5., he earns couple milions of credits.

WG told this info 2 months ago.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Flaky26 said:

 

He will also recieve ,,premium,, Moskva. And if he sell tech tree Moskva before 0.9.5., he earns couple milions of credits.

WG told this info 2 months ago.

 

 

ALSO? I have Moscva, so what i get ALSO? I get nothing....

Need sell Moscva to purchase DM. Donskoy AGAIN...

Or reset all the line to get something extra from this crap change

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Před 3 minutami mbspider řekl/a:

ALSO? I have Moscva, so what i get ALSO? I get nothing....

You have tech tree Moskva now. You get a premium (reward) version Moskva. And you get perma cammo, if you had not it before.

Před 4 minutami mbspider řekl/a:

Need sell Moscva to purchase DM. Donskoy AGAIN...

If you want Alex. Nevsky, than yes. But you know this for almost two months.

 

Před 6 minutami mbspider řekl/a:

Or reset all the line to get something extra from this crap change

That will work as well.

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3 minutes ago, Flaky26 said:

You have tech tree Moskva now. You get a premium (reward) version Moskva. And you get perma cammo, if you had not it before.

If you want Alex. Nevsky, than yes. But you know this for almost two months.

That will work as well.

Yes, i know. But it fair for you when all others will get all for free?

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Před 10 hodinami mbspider řekl/a:

Yes, i know. But it fair for you when all others will get all for free?

This information about the change is out there for 2 months. All others actually in the meantime went ahead and researched Moskva, without playing RU Cruisers line before.

As Flaky said, Moskva will become "special", so you can use any captain here, you will have permacamo there and maintenance cost per battle will be cut in half.

 

But actually, resetting line is a good idea. You will get both ships Moskva and Kirov (if you have researched both) and if you are desired to get Nevsky, you will have to grind the line or repurchase Donskoi or use FreeXP anyway.

I am going to do it... Thanks :cap_like: I wasn't even thinking about this before, tbh

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What happen when on the second time you  get enought xp to research the moskva, but don't mind i said the second time as i reset the line, does the xp i have  right now go towards the Nevsky, so I have already bought the moskva first time around and then reset it what happens if the xp i have accumulated for the moskva I don't use but keep it for the nevsky?

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On 6/9/2020 at 10:01 PM, mbspider said:

Or reset all the line to get something extra from this crap change

there u go.

More credits, upgrades dismounted for free and you still get the special Moskva and camo!

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in the past I bought the premium camo for the Moskva,  where it go?

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Sorry Wargaming, where did my 250,000 XP just go that I ground out to get to T10? I don't want the Moskva premium, I want the XP back please so I don't have to grind to yet another T10. 

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Před 20 minutami janneman77 řekl/a:

in the past I bought the premium camo for the Moskva,  where it go?

If you have Type 20 camo in mind, it stayed on the ship.

 

Právě teď scutty_ řekl/a:

Sorry Wargaming, where did my 250,000 XP just go that I ground out to get to T10? I don't want the Moskva premium, I want the XP back please so I don't have to grind to yet another T10. 

If you had those 250k XP on Moskva, it stayed on Moskva.

I understand, that you don't want to grind the line again, but first, you kept the same ship, that is now costs you less for maintenance per battle and you can put any commander there without the need to retrain him. And still you have the chance to maybe change your mind in the future and decide to grind for new ship Nevsky.

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5 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

If you have Type 20 camo in mind, it stayed on the ship.

 

 

I feel like I've been robbed of 5000 doubloons.
tell me why that feeling is not justified

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All those filth games to earn the Tx cammo to put on Moskva... wasted

 

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Před 11 minutami janneman77 řekl/a:

I feel like I've been robbed of 5000 doubloons.
tell me why that feeling is not justified

I understand your feeling, but as there are discussions on forum for atleast two months, when you decided to buy a permacamo on any tech tree ship, you were using its bonuses and visuals. The camo still stays on the ships, haven't disapeared anywhere. So you spent your doubloons willingly to have permacamo on Moskva. I feel sorry for you, but as was several times said, there is nothing more we can do for you.

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2 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

I understand your feeling, but as there are discussions on forum for atleast two months, when you decided to buy a permacamo on any tech tree ship, you were using its bonuses and visuals. The camo still stays on the ships, haven't disapeared anywhere. So you spent your doubloons willingly to have permacamo on Moskva. I feel sorry for you, but as was several times said, there is nothing more we can do for you.

then I will vote with my wallet

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59 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

If you had those 250k XP on Moskva, it stayed on Moskva.

I understand, that you don't want to grind the line again, but first, you kept the same ship, that is now costs you less for maintenance per battle and you can put any commander there without the need to retrain him. And still you have the chance to maybe change your mind in the future and decide to grind for new ship Nevsky.

No, my question is why do I need to grind another 250K XP today to get a T10 ship I had yesterday? I fully understand you've chosen to move the Moskva but I had spent my time (and premium account time) grinding a T10 ship (grinding the 250k XP needed to open the T10), now you've decided I have to do that all over again?!?! 

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Před 6 minutami scutty_ řekl/a:

No, my question is why do I need to grind another 250K XP today to get a T10 ship I had yesterday? I fully understand you've chosen to move the Moskva but I had spent my time (and premium account time) grinding a T10 ship (grinding the 250k XP needed to open the T10), now you've decided I have to do that all over again?!?! 

No, you need to grind 250k XP to get a T10 that is new and nobody had yesterday, as the one T10 you had yesterday you still have today, but as a special one.

You spent your time to grind T10 ship Moskva, that you still have. You can do it all over again, if you want to get the new T10.

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44 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

I feel sorry for you, but as was several times said, there is nothing more we can do for you.

There could have been. You decided to not do more.

You could have used the same policy you used for the techtree splits we had previously. When a ship that was introduced as a replacement for one you moved or took away, came for free and if the former ship had a premium camo the new one had one too. You decided to change that for the russian cruiser split and to this day we do not know why.

 

You could have stayed with the gold standard you had set previously but decided against it. Against the comfort of your players whos anger you now have to face rightfully.

 

The people often didn't purchase a premium camo for a T-X silver ship because they liked the look. They did it to make it economically viable within the game. It was a common advice given on the forum. You took that economically viable t-X silver ship away from them and want players to spend that money once more. The common advice that was previously given can not be given any more in good faith, as no one knows when you pull another stunt like you did now with the RU-cruiser split.

 

Personally I am not effected by this, except that I have to regrind on a ship I don't like. But I do feel for those who feel betrayed by Wargaming and your decision to change your policy on tech tree splits and ship replacement.

 

You had the choice. It was never in the hands of the players.

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45 minutes ago, scutty_ said:

No, my question is why do I need to grind another 250K XP today to get a T10 ship I had yesterday?

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You need 250k XP for a NEW Tier X ship. I doubt you had her yesterday.

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Isn't the Moskva supposed to be a premium?

It is showing under special filter in my port,is this right & does it make a difference?

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18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

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You need 250k XP for a NEW Tier X ship. I doubt you had her yesterday.

But I did have the tech tree T10 Russian ship yesterday. In every other tech tree split/change in the past I would now have the T10 equivalent - why is this one so different?

 

Premiums are not tech tree ships - you have to work to get tech tree ships - not just open your wallet. 

 

I'm confused why everyone doesn't feel ripped off by this change of policy from WG.

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3 minutes ago, belsibub said:

Isn't the Moskva supposed to be a premium?

It is showing under special filter in my port,is this right & does it make a difference?

Nope it is said to be a "special" (coal) ship, similar to Salem

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