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Since the beginning of this game (and prolly already in WoT and WoWP) people have been saying that there is something wrong with the game because they have constant losing streaks. And that the problem is a community one, not an individual issue. I then tried to gind out where they think those wins go to. And despite me trying I have never got a clear answer/reasoning to this. Now, I am not trying to [edited] or diss or insult anyone, I am genuinly interested in this.

 

If everyone thinks they suffer from losing sprees all the time, even while playing so well and carrying the team, then who or what is controlling those ships on the opposite side? As in my mind WoWs is a 12 vs 12 team game with human playerd behind each ship. So at least 50% of the people playing the game are winning the games that are lost by others. So how can this "losing streak issue" be an issue and if people that are carrying losing so many games, doesn't that just logically mean that the other team was just stronger as a team?

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People who lose all the time are just bad at the game, even when they get "good" results from time to time.

A real losing streak is temporary and a deviation from the norm.

 

For example I was a on a positive streak until middle of March this year (increasing my WR). Then I got stable results until beginning of May (keeping my WR) and then I got a bad streak (not a losing streak) and my WR went down a bit and now it looks like I am starting a positive streak again.

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OK, think about this. How many times have you lost 5 in a row compared to how many times you have won 5 In a row. I know which one I see most. Have just lost 5 in a row whilst being outside the top 3 just once. Most of the games I was proud of my performance. Still 5 straight losses as most of my teams were barely sentient.

 

Now do the same for 10 straight. Do you even remember a 10 straight win? Bet you can remember losing 10 though.

 

Now what is blood boilingly frustrating is that you can play well, in fact damn well. You can be satisfied that you played well and even enjoy the game but you go down as a loser game after game after game when there is little you can do about it.

 

This is especially true with poorly balanced ships and some ship/class combinations.

 

Sometimes MM is also flat out to blame. Just had a 9 team T8 game, 2cv, 3bb, 3 dd, 1CA. Despite appeals, the BB immediately turned to the map border whilst the enemy CVs splashed the 3 smokeless DD in short order. The enemy team cruised up as a single unit to the caps and the 3 DD smoked up and capped. I knew the game was lost in the first minute. My "contribution" was being placed in the losing team. Simple as that.

 

OK hard hat time. Apart from some mega good players, most peoples win rates are determined by the RNG god placing you in a team that works rather than one that doesn't. Just check the ranking ranks sometimes when there is a ranking happening and wonder sometimes why MM decided to create a team with average rank 12 to play a team with average rank 6. Its just luck and guess how often the lesser team wins. The rank 1 Unicom player on the lesser team gets a loss no matter what he does and doenst even necessarily score well as the rest of the team cant make the game happen.

 

Playing predominantly better ships helps. Playing in a good division helps, but the rest is RNG for the vast majority of us.

 

And that is annoying, but don't let it ruin your day or your game experience. Have fun and to hell with it!

 

TLDR: It's a game, have fun, when the fun stops, stop

 

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Another point to highlight when you enter a losing streak is nothing more and nothing less than going down the tier and playing a ship that amuses you;  Surely that way you can better balance the battle in your favor and be a decisive part to achieve victory.

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1 hour ago, FukushuNL said:

Since the beginning of this game (and prolly already in WoT and WoWP) people have been saying that there is something wrong with the game because they have constant losing streaks. And that the problem is a community one, not an individual issue. I then tried to gind out where they think those wins go to. And despite me trying I have never got a clear answer/reasoning to this. Now, I am not trying to [edited] or diss or insult anyone, I am genuinly interested in this.

 

If everyone thinks they suffer from losing sprees all the time, even while playing so well and carrying the team, then who or what is controlling those ships on the opposite side? As in my mind WoWs is a 12 vs 12 team game with human playerd behind each ship. So at least 50% of the people playing the game are winning the games that are lost by others. So how can this "losing streak issue" be an issue and if people that are carrying losing so many games, doesn't that just logically mean that the other team was just stronger as a team?

Divisions of good players win most of the time. Consistently. Those winning will not come here and publicize the fact easily, there is no reason for them to do it. But some will pop out of the woodwork to belittle people that post their troubles as being unrealistic. Most of the time people posting about defeats are just that, it is true. But have you noticed the WR of those bullying them? :) It is an elitist forum and game.

Losing streaks exist. They happen for many reasons, one of them being put in an unwinnable situation from the beginning. You can't convince the huge majority of the people playing that have experience it that they are crazy, when you are in the minority and you are winning. You can scare them into silence. Even shut em up of course pointing at their losing record. Which is fine but not democratic. It is also kinda what these losing streaks create for all these complaining people. A losing record :) 

 

 

 

 

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there is no stigma except inside your own head, don't worry about it.

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TBH a losing streak doesn’t really bother me, as long as I am doing my job, doing damage and killing enemies when playing Battleships and cruisers and spotting ships and being a a pain when playing DDs I know a losing streak and the bad luck will come to an end 

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2 hours ago, FukushuNL said:

with human playerd behind each ship.

Not necessarily.

 

 

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My theory: everyone feels they deserve to win mostly, so they don't necessarily experience winning streaks as remarkable. Losing streams are experienced as both unpleasant and remarkable, so they stick in the memory. People do have the winning streaks too, but they see those as how it should work and obviously aren't going complain.

 

A related point: people don't understand randomness. It does *not* mean evenly distributed.

 

Personally I find it more frustrating to have streaks where I mess up and don't do my job properly, win or lose. But that just means I should go and do something else for a while.

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Losing streaks happen to everyone. In division I average 75% or more. Streaks of 15+ wins in a row are common. But every once in a while streaks of 8-10 losses also happen regardless of how good you are. Judge yourself not the team since thats all you can control.

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Just like in the casino: dont push it if youre losing. I never have a losing streak because when i stop before i lose too many in a row. Take a break. Regain your mental stability and then proceed.

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everyday seems like a lottery, sometimes you play better than other days, sometimes you have luck and sometimes you have a decent team, and then you get those days where absolutely nothing you do seems to make a difference.....yup it's been one of those days....and i absolutely fed up with CVs right now....take a day of FFS

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It's the RNG, old chap. There's no such thing as a truly random number. It's all generated from a seed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_seed

 

I suspect that reloading the game may also refresh the seed being used for RNG generation. Over a substantial period of time, of course, the distribution of numbers produced by each seed will match the relevant probability distribution, but in the short term it might give you an change in the order of generation which might be to your advantage. Or make things worse. It is, after all, random (ish). 

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if there was skill based and same tier ships in each battle then who knows , but then how would you say then is it a loosing streak ,or iam i sloppy , iam i just average and have a few good games , to find this out you would need to , you know whats next so go try to see what the issue is.

 

wg they could put players in brackets depening on their level of skill , but then half of them would just become average . and then the normal average would become you guessed .

 

its like a game of chess the higher level you play against normally the better you become on average. my self would rather play against same level skill and same level tier ship this i pay for , in stead of some premium time a month or so a year , like eve online permant sub for alpha .perhaps wg should have playing past tier 6 subs based and below tier 5 free.

 

wish you all well hope you all have a great day

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51 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I suspect that reloading the game may also refresh the seed being used for RNG generation. Over a substantial period of time, of course, the distribution of numbers produced by each seed will match the relevant probability distribution, but in the short term it might give you an change in the order of generation which might be to your advantage. Or make things worse. It is, after all, random (ish). 

Since the game calculations are server based, the seed will not come from the players.

The seed is either server based or WG gets their seed from a RNG service like this:

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RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random.org

 

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16 hours ago, Ruthus said:

OK, think about this. How many times have you lost 5 in a row compared to how many times you have won 5 In a row. I know which one I see most. Have just lost 5 in a row whilst being outside the top 3 just once. Most of the games I was proud of my performance. Still 5 straight losses as most of my teams were barely sentient.

 

Now do the same for 10 straight. Do you even remember a 10 straight win? Bet you can remember losing 10 though.

 

Now what is blood boilingly ......

 

......Playing predominantly better ships helps. Playing in a good division helps, but the rest is RNG for the vast majority of us.

 

And that is annoying, but don't let it ruin your day or your game experience. Have fun and to hell with it!

 

TLDR: It's a game, have fun, when the fun stops, stop

 

Ruthus

This is "saying" much, without really saying anything :) What you describe is just bad luck ;) Does not answer my question.

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16 hours ago, lospescas said:

Another point to highlight when you enter a losing streak is nothing more and nothing less than going down the tier and playing a ship that amuses you;  Surely that way you can better balance the battle in your favor and be a decisive part to achieve victory.

Only marginally better solution. You can still end up at the losing side while playing the stars from the heavens.

 

16 hours ago, lossi_2018 said:

Divisions of good players win most of the time. Consistently. Those winning will not come here and publicize the fact easily, there is no reason for them to do it. But some will pop out of the woodwork to belittle people that post their troubles as being unrealistic. Most of the time people posting about defeats are just that, it is true. But have you noticed the WR of those bullying them? :) It is an elitist forum and game.

Losing streaks exist. They happen for many reasons, one of them being put in an unwinnable situation from the beginning. You can't convince the huge majority of the people playing that have experience it that they are crazy, when you are in the minority and you are winning. You can scare them into silence. Even shut em up of course pointing at their losing record. Which is fine but not democratic. It is also kinda what these losing streaks create for all these complaining people. A losing record :) 

 

 

 

 

Divisions is prolly the best way to influence the battle to a winning one. As for the rest of your post: I am not discussing people belittling anyone and elitist forums and stuff. I want to know why people reason that the majority of the games are losing games, while the fact is that for every game you lose, another person wins. Pvp games are exactly like scales: if one side goes down, the other side must go up. But I hear many people complain the game is getting bad because "everyone is continuously losing games because of ships, bad mm, etc, etc.". That is my question. What drives people to think the majority of the people having a losing streak if every loss for them is a win for another person? Bad mm for you is good mm for another person. Getting slaughtered by a team for you is slaughtering a team for someone else. 

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16 hours ago, woppy101 said:

TBH a losing streak doesn’t really bother me, as long as I am doing my job, doing damage and killing enemies when playing Battleships and cruisers and spotting ships and being a a pain when playing DDs I know a losing streak and the bad luck will come to an end 

That is exactly the way to look at things.

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14 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

It's the RNG, old chap. There's no such thing as a truly random number. It's all generated from a seed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_seed

 

I suspect that reloading the game may also refresh the seed being used for RNG generation. Over a substantial period of time, of course, the distribution of numbers produced by each seed will match the relevant probability distribution, but in the short term it might give you an change in the order of generation which might be to your advantage. Or make things worse. It is, after all, random (ish). 

Reloading your game does not change who plays on your side, who plays on the other side, what the skill are of all people in the battle in their class, ship or WoWs in general, in what state a person is, how concentrated they are in the game, etc, etc, etc. As such it really doesn't matter if you reset the game, change tiers, etc. That last one only helps if you can possibly make up for 6 to 11 other players.

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18 hours ago, FukushuNL said:

Since the beginning of this game (and prolly already in WoT and WoWP) people have been saying that there is something wrong with the game because they have constant losing streaks. And that the problem is a community one, not an individual issue. I then tried to gind out where they think those wins go to. And despite me trying I have never got a clear answer/reasoning to this. Now, I am not trying to [edited] or diss or insult anyone, I am genuinly interested in this.

 

If everyone thinks they suffer from losing sprees all the time, even while playing so well and carrying the team, then who or what is controlling those ships on the opposite side? As in my mind WoWs is a 12 vs 12 team game with human playerd behind each ship. So at least 50% of the people playing the game are winning the games that are lost by others. So how can this "losing streak issue" be an issue and if people that are carrying losing so many games, doesn't that just logically mean that the other team was just stronger as a team?

 

1.

What many People dont Realize.

50/50 Chance doesnt mean you will Win 1 out of 2 Games. It doesnt even mean you Win 50 out of 100 Games.

It just means that the Total Result will be somewhere close to 50 Wins out of 100 Games.

But 50% Chance to Win can easily Result in 5 Losses in a Row as well.

 

A Losing Streak is therefore nothing Strange.

 

2.

And thats the thing. WoWs is a 12 vs 12 Game. So even the Absolutely Best Player in the World. Will sooner or later have a Losing Streak because he just gets a Bad Roll and ends up with Potato Teams several Times in a Row.

You can Laugh at me. But I had a Day where I lost 6 Games in a Row in my Midway.

And if you look at my Midway Stats you will see Pretty Fast that I am certainly not a Midway Player who would Drag down the Team.

But in these Streak each Single Time I was Faced with either 1-2 Full Divisions from Pro Player Clans which were 60%+ and even 70%+ Winrate Players each. Or my Team was so Incredible Potato that basicly the Match ended up as a Race of Time where I was Desperately Trying to Somehow Beat the Enemy Team alone Faster than my own Team could Manage to get themselves Killed without doing anything.

 

This kind of thing can Happen. Random is Random. And as MM does not Take Skill into Account it is not Rare to See One Team having 3 or more Purple Players mixed with Green and Blue Players. While the other Team is You+8 Red and 3 Yellow Players.

 

3.

Perception is actually Importand Here. Most Players dont Judge based on "Carrying the Team" they Judge based on Carrying their own Weight.

Meaning if they do 1-3 Kills and 100k Damage then they Rightfully Assume that THEY did their Job and Carried themselves and Possibly even more than their Fair Share.

Because if everyone had done the Same they would have Won.

But they didnt. If half your Team Dies with 10k Damage after 5 Minutes. Or just Camps in the Rear all day having 50k Damage from Enemy BBs likely non of which Stuck on them as they Healed it and  thus sit there with Full HP after 15 Minutes into the Game. Then this wont be enough.

 

And it is mostly these Players that will then Complain about Losing Streaks.

because while they Clearly Carry more than their Fair Share of the Battle. They still arent Good enough to actually Carry the Game. And that means if the Team they get from RNG is Bad they will Lose.

And well. Sometimes RNG will just give you Bad Teams one after the other.

 

 

 

In the End. The Fact is that this Game is very RNG Based.

Even Extremely Good Players will Struggle to get far over the 70% Mark when Playing Solo. And even Full Divs of Extremely Good Players will still end up Losing Matches here and there.

The Better you get the more you get the Ability to Tip the RNG in your Favor. But no matter how good you get. RNG will always sooner or later be tipped so far against you that no matter what you do you just cant manage to stem the Tide.

 

 

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It could be an indicator that the hidden matchmaking rules decide that sometimes better players get teams with bad players to even chances. So sometimes there are just too many bad players and you go down 5 times in a row.

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I have no problem losing games as long as i know i can hold my head high and know i contributed in some way - Random.

 

I hate losing games as i know it will take me a few hours of play just to get back to where i once was - Ranked. 

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The feeling of constantly losing is mostly psychological, I believe (expect when you are really bad). If you have a winning streak you feel good about it and just carry on, no questions asked. When you are on a losing streak you get annoyed and angry and start looking for excuses. Someone has to be at fault after all. It all balances out with time. I consider myself to be a decent player and still had losing streaks of more than 10 games (14 was my max I think). However, I can't remember what my longest winning streak was. It just does not matter when things just work out.

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21 hours ago, FukushuNL said:

So how can this "losing streak issue" be an issue and if people that are carrying losing so many games, doesn't that just logically mean that the other team was just stronger as a team?

Sometimes its because mom yells continuously for ten minutes (from behind) and I lose the game .

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