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So I've recently upgraded from the New Orleans to the Baltimore.... and boy, am I regretting the purchase!      I just....  can't do ANYTHING with this ship.  

 

I know in theory I'm supposed to use the super heavy improved pen angle AP to wreck cruisers, but... as if any cruiser is stupid enough to show broadside within my pitiful range, and those that do eat a full salvo of 16" AP from a BB and die long before I get to farm them.... 

 

As for opportune battering DD's like New Orleans could....  yeah, just no.   I'm lucky to get 1-2 shells out of 9 to connect, and then, yay....  900dmg.   From a 203mm HE shell.   Every single time.    Then the DD invariably runs away, and im left with no targets in range, and ending up with damage totals around 15-20k.   So far, I hate this ship.

 

What am I doing wrong?   Am i supposed to literally sit behind/beside an island all match and wait for opportunities to come to me?     

 

Anyone give me any tips for the current meta with Balti, because I would like to get to the Des Memes one day, but I can't face grinding through this hateful ship at the moment!      Cheers

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Your primary targets should be enemy cruisers with usn ap, they don't have to give you their broadside. Almost anything under autobounce angles can citadel

 

Stay near an allied battleship and make friends in chat do following

 

1) Shoot broadside enemy cruisers

2)Enemy dd within 10km can be easily rekt

3)He spamming bbs of course from behind islands

 

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2 hours ago, Matt_FSR said:

What am I doing wrong?

Are you making extensive use of the radar? As predominantly a DD player, I view Baltis as a serious threat mainly for that reason - the long duration is a menace in particular. Once you're spotted, the HE is pretty horrifying too (assuming your own side's BBs aren't awake enough to blap said Balti).

 

That said, I'm entirely awful in my own one, mainly because I'm a long way from successfully learning how to cruiser.

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I know I need to reach DM at some point, it seems a nice ship, everyone loves it, I don't really think much of them in game but I've stopped at NO. Nice ship, lines are fine, sails well, good guns, could use  a couple of torp tubes etc. I look at Balti, I don't feel it idk.

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4 hours ago, Matt_FSR said:

What am I doing wrong?   Am i supposed to literally sit behind/beside an island all match and wait for opportunities to come to me?     

Hey Matt,

 

The balti is all about positioning. This can be really hard to master but once you figured it out it will be very satisfying and rewarding.

 

What i do at the start is: i position myself near caps in order to provide radar to my team. If i can i make use of islands to block line of fire to enemy heavy hitters but to grant me line of sight of the cap.

If this isnt possible i position myself in a kiting position near an outer cap. This way if the enemies push that flank heavily i can run, if my team pushes i just turn and push with them.

Remember you do not have a heal so any dmg taken is permanent. So dont go out of your way and take unnecessary risks to use your radar.

 

This ship has very lazy shell arcs, which means you can easily shoot over islands. It also has 2/3s of its firepower in the front, which means you can peak islands and shoot a relatively large portion of your guns while keeping your ship in cover.

What you have to familiarise yourself with is what can and what cannot overmatch you. As a heavy CA you can bounce certain AP shells if you angle correctly. This makes all the diference in the world when fighting 1v1s against other ships.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that your playstyle varies from map to map, but also depends on matchmaking.

For example: With an IJN carrier ingame going next to an island will attract AP bombers. Against tier 10 you have to play more passive than against tier 6.

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5 hours ago, Matt_FSR said:

So I've recently upgraded from the New Orleans to the Baltimore.... and boy, am I regretting the purchase!      I just....  can't do ANYTHING with this ship.  

 

I know in theory I'm supposed to use the super heavy improved pen angle AP to wreck cruisers, but... as if any cruiser is stupid enough to show broadside within my pitiful range, and those that do eat a full salvo of 16" AP from a BB and die long before I get to farm them.... 

 

As for opportune battering DD's like New Orleans could....  yeah, just no.   I'm lucky to get 1-2 shells out of 9 to connect, and then, yay....  900dmg.   From a 203mm HE shell.   Every single time.    Then the DD invariably runs away, and im left with no targets in range, and ending up with damage totals around 15-20k.   So far, I hate this ship.

 

What am I doing wrong?   Am i supposed to literally sit behind/beside an island all match and wait for opportunities to come to me?     

 

Anyone give me any tips for the current meta with Balti, because I would like to get to the Des Memes one day, but I can't face grinding through this hateful ship at the moment!      Cheers

Oh man, you're in for a surprise. The Baltimore is just fine. After it comes the Buffalo. You get less speed, worse reload, more sluggishness, worse concealment... and 15.6 km range. At tier IX.

 

My current strategy of grinding the Buffalo is play it once a day, totally naked and pretty much yolo. That takes away 5 minutes of my time and nets me 500 to 2000 xp. I figure in 6-8 months I'll have the Des Moines. Works for me. 

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1 hour ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

My current strategy of grinding the Buffalo is play it once a day, totally naked and pretty much yolo. That takes away 5 minutes of my time and nets me 500 to 2000 xp. I figure in 6-8 months I'll have the Des Moines. Works for me. 

That's nice for your teammates in all those games. 

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1 hour ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Oh man, you're in for a surprise. The Baltimore is just fine. After it comes the Buffalo. You get less speed, worse reload, more sluggishness, worse concealment... and 15.6 km range. At tier IX.

 

My current strategy of grinding the Buffalo is play it once a day, totally naked and pretty much yolo. That takes away 5 minutes of my time and nets me 500 to 2000 xp. I figure in 6-8 months I'll have the Des Moines. Works for me. 

I like Buffalo. Take range extension and you have a decent radar ship and a good kiter. Found her better than Balti. But DM is a charm :Smile_izmena:

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when you are top tier, you are a monster. all you really have to be afraid of 1 vs 1 are BB's with guns bigger than 380mm.

 

in T9-T10 it's the opposite. everything preys on you. play the "atlanta" style. play safe, hide behind islands, provide radar for your teammates. in the second half of the match, look for opportunities to push.

 

and yes, buffalo will feel even worse in the beginning. you definitely, in the current state of the game, are better of using the range mod instead of the reload mod. you just need the range in T10 games, and the shells are fast enough to HE spam battleships from behind islands. but of course as with any us cruiser, if you see an opportunity to push another cruiser, do it!

 

oh, and just dont bother with defAA, use hydro instead, at least it is usefull dodging torpedos.

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How do I Baltimore? Probably similar to other more successful Baltimore players, namely;

Use islands for shielding.

Bow tank.

Move close to a Cap & contest same.

Get within range asap - you aren't a long range sniper (obviously).

Don't be afraid to switch to AP when necessary.

Baltimore is a very effective ship versus a lot of other ships - you do, however, need to watch its exposure as it can sink rather easily.

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2 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

That's nice for your teammates in all those games. 

I know and I don't enjoy it, but I refuse to play (or to spend credits on) this middle finger WG showed us at tier 9. I have time, I can wait a year for the Des Moines - if I still play WoWs. But I am not going to "grind" a ship I hate. Five minutes (with loading time) three times a week? Sure, can give it that.

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44 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

I know and I don't enjoy it, but I refuse to play (or to spend credits on) this middle finger WG showed us at tier 9. I have time, I can wait a year for the Des Moines - if I still play WoWs. But I am not going to "grind" a ship I hate. Five minutes (with loading time) three times a week? Sure, can give it that.

Or...... Try to get better at this particular ship. 

Or..... Play a ship that you like with flags and camo, gather free xp and skip the one you dislike. 

Either option is better than griefing 11 teammates three times a week. 

Either option yields a higher profit/minute. 

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5 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

What you have to familiarise yourself with is what can and what cannot overmatch you. As a heavy CA you can bounce certain AP shells if you angle correctly. This makes all the diference in the world when fighting 1v1s against other ships.

 

So much this!!!

I remember one game with Balti being toptier, where the enemies only had small caliber BBs. I just sat in the open bow on to them and see them bounce. After some time, they started all switching to HE :cap_haloween: But they wasted so much time on me anyway, that it was an easy win by that time.

 

4 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Oh man, you're in for a surprise. The Baltimore is just fine. After it comes the Buffalo. You get less speed, worse reload, more sluggishness, worse concealment... and 15.6 km range. At tier IX.

 

Buffalo is awesome.

Funnily enough, i had heard so much bad stuff about it, that i didnt want to grind it (same for Baltimore). But once i did, they were extremely strong.

I can just advice you to use rangemod on Buffalo - that helps a lot.

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9 hours ago, Matt_FSR said:

So I've recently upgraded from the New Orleans to the Baltimore.... and boy, am I regretting the purchase!      I just....  can't do ANYTHING with this ship.  

 

I know in theory I'm supposed to use the super heavy improved pen angle AP to wreck cruisers, but... as if any cruiser is stupid enough to show broadside within my pitiful range, and those that do eat a full salvo of 16" AP from a BB and die long before I get to farm them.... 

 

As for opportune battering DD's like New Orleans could....  yeah, just no.   I'm lucky to get 1-2 shells out of 9 to connect, and then, yay....  900dmg.   From a 203mm HE shell.   Every single time.    Then the DD invariably runs away, and im left with no targets in range, and ending up with damage totals around 15-20k.   So far, I hate this ship.

 

What am I doing wrong?   Am i supposed to literally sit behind/beside an island all match and wait for opportunities to come to me?     

 

Anyone give me any tips for the current meta with Balti, because I would like to get to the Des Memes one day, but I can't face grinding through this hateful ship at the moment!      Cheers

1. Find an island reasonably near one of caps that is just low enough so you can lob shells over it and high enough reds dont see you doing it

2. Make it your waifu

3. When you see the cap is going red/is blocked say in chat "gona use radar on cap XYZ in 10s" pop radar and shoot the dd if you can, if not dont leave cover

4. Stay angled as much as you can

5. Rinse and repeat 

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1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Or...... Try to get better at this particular ship. 

Or..... Play a ship that you like with flags and camo, gather free xp and skip the one you dislike. 

Either option is better than griefing 11 teammates three times a week. 

Either option yields a higher profit/minute. 

These things are reasonable and I practise them generally. Not on this "f$_& you, dear WG customer" ship, though. Nope. I am not going to spend one credit on her, not one flag, not one camo. Certainly no free xp. I don't care if I never get the Des Moines. But the Buffalo will not get any love from me. My WR in her is probably 10% and I'd love it if I could finish the "grind" with less. This ship - and the WG policy of foisting lemons on us, so that we spend resources - can go to hell. It won't cost me anything. I will play other ships that I actually enjoy and spend no more than 15 minutes a week on this pos. I am sorry, but that's how it is.

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Cheers for the advice so far guys, will try to work on it when I can next work up the courage to take her out  (i have far better tier 8 ships I just enjoy more)

 

Shooting at DD seems to be an exercise in abject futility, but will carry on to see if I can somehow do meaningful damage to them...  maybe AP would work better?    

 

And yes, I am sorely tempted to splash FXP on her to skip past her, altho the Buffalo seems to be little better.  I've got Alaska and Freisland, so not like I'm saving FXP for any ships now, not fussed on Hayate or the other 2mil FXP ships.  

 

Also on the fence about what to do regarding Des Moines vs Salem.   I could FXP to the DM, but then I don't have any perma-camo for her so it'll cost me a bucketload of credits to run her in TX battles, or when the coupon comes out, pickup Salem instead.  

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9 hours ago, Camperdown said:

I like Buffalo. Take range extension  

Taking range extension on US cruisers is a rather masochistic move. I was frustrated with Seattle so i've mounted range mod, couldn't hit anything, that was a very bad idea. Those shells are just too slow to handle reliably at 14+ km. Murican CA and CL are great at ambushing anything from a DD to a BB, they are my favorite techtrees but i feel that they are getting more and more powercrept and upcoming soviet cruisers will force me to look for different funbotes.

 

4 hours ago, Matt_FSR said:

 

And yes, I am sorely tempted to splash FXP on her to skip past her, altho the Buffalo seems to be little better.

 

Do not fxp Baltimore, it is much better then Buffalo (tier for tier). Get the hang of those wonderful AP shells, work on positioning and remember that you have to be close to get those guns working. Yes, Balti can be annoying, it is situational, dont get into firefights with kiting HE spamers, don't chase gunboats, focus on dealing damage to cruisers and battleships, use a lot of AP.

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Baltimore is amazing ship. but the next one buffalo is pain to play, sometimes I think I would rather be in baltimore against tier 10 then in buffalo

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4 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

This ship - and the WG policy of foisting lemons on us, so that we spend resources -

 

While i agree that there are some stinkers around, i dont think Buffalo is one of em.

 

7 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

Taking range extension on US cruisers is a rather masochistic move.

I dont think so. See, the difference is not black and white. Even if you can shoot 18+km, doesnt mean you have to. But you can shoot 16km, which you cant without the rangemod. Most of the time, even a km can make a difference between able to shoot from behind an island or not.

 

4 hours ago, Matt_FSR said:

Shooting at DD seems to be an exercise in abject futility, but will carry on to see if I can somehow do meaningful damage to them...  maybe AP would work better?    

You would get mostly overpens. Unless they are somewhat angled probably.

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Use your great concealment to rush up to islands and then make them your wife. 

 

Use radar to help nuke enemy DDs.

 

Shell arcs allow you to lob shells over islands as well.

 

AP is absolutely lethal at these close ranges against even enemy BBs that get too close. I've citadelled BBs at close range with USN 203 shells. A cruiser that gives you broadside is asking to be devastated. The improved ricochet angles even render angled cruisers vulnerable to your AP.

 

Do not try and open water kite and spam. For a start your range is short so you'll be a lot closer to the enemy than specialist open water HE spammers and thus an easy target for BBs and your shell ballistics are not great for hitting other targets actively maneuvering.

 

Basically you want to be near a cap using islands for cover and help hold it down. If you do have to expose yourself then go bow in. Any cruiser that tries to push you at short range is going to have a bad time. HE does some work against BBs as well. I find trying to fight moving targets at ranged beyond 12km to be futile due to the ballistics, so I try and play it as an ambush ship. I liken it to a crocodile, lurking around islands waiting for someone to come close and then blast them point blank.

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57 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

I dont think so. See, the difference is not black and white. Even if you can shoot 18+km, doesnt mean you have to. But you can shoot 16km, which you cant without the rangemod. Most of the time, even a km can make a difference between able to shoot from behind an island or not.

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No, it is not but taking the range mod means that you are building a one trick pony that is good at hugging islands. RoF module gives more flexibility when chasing DD's or repelling enemy cruisers or battleships. Extending you firing range means that you will be spotted from further away and that is a huge con for a sluggish heavy cruiser.

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40 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

No, it is not but taking the range mod means that you are building a one trick pony that is good at hugging islands. RoF module gives more flexibility when chasing DD's or repelling enemy cruisers or battleships. Extending you firing range means that you will be spotted from further away and that is a huge con for a sluggish heavy cruiser.

 

His and your Buffalo stats disagree with you. heavily.

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49 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

No, it is not but taking the range mod means that you are building a one trick pony that is good at hugging islands. RoF module gives more flexibility when chasing DD's or repelling enemy cruisers or battleships. Extending you firing range means that you will be spotted from further away and that is a huge con for a sluggish heavy cruiser.

My salem has range, my DM has reload.

Both still remain island huggers. No way in hell am I using those as open water gunboats. They aren't made for it.

Hence your argument is mute.

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