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Where did the Polish Techtree go?

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Since I got my hands on Blyskawica back in early 2017 I wondered "what's next?"

"why was it not just added under the upcoming british tree?" after maybe ½ a year I began to wonder "where is the rest of the tech tree?"

Now a unified european tech tree has been established instead, but that just makes me wonder "why was there never established a polish tech tree?"

 I would rather play that than anything like those swedish bastards 

 

With the question out of the way and up for debate, let's have a look at what we're missing out on

Note: I do not have acces to original polish archives but I've done the research I can.

 

In the developers defense:

Poland was not a major naval power.

Any naval ambitions bigger than a cruiser was limited by budget restrictions.

A lot, if not almost everything had to be bought in from outside. 

Poland would unlikely be able to support a full line of ships from I-X.

Poland almost only has DDs available. Anything else is an aux. vessel, submarine or minelayer.

 

Advantage of polish vessels:

Mixed armerment of Swedish, british, french and russian origin. Each ship is uniq.

Poland relied on brough in ships from the UK, Nederland & France.

Vessels which made the run to the UK would have refits of major characters such as ORP Grom

Ships were lend/transferred to the navy in exile, including vessels such as ORP Conrad (HMS Danae).

With the upcoming of submarines, Poland would be able to deploy its own.

 

Noteworthy ships:

 

ORP Baltyk (III)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_D'Entrecasteaux

A protected cruiser predating the first world war and bought in the 1920s to booster the polish navy and relations with France. The cruiser would continue to see service doing the invasion of Poland and end up scrapped in 1942.

+ Solid armaments, including an AA rating of about 10, depending on the configuration. 

+/- Battleship features more akin to IJN Mikasa vs  USS St.Louis or IRN Aurora.

 

ORP Conrad (V)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Danae_(D44)

This is HMS Danae Tier IV lend/transferred to the polish navy in exile in her 1943 configuration. She sport an improved armament over her 1918 design.

Note: The ship should maintain her 1942 main guns and LR AA over her 1943 configuration.

+ Beefed up AA defense on all ranges. Rated at about 66-70.

- Weak surviveability, this is a IV vessel forced up in tier V.

 

ORP Wicher (DD V)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicher-class_destroyer

Wicher and her sistership Burza were modified versions of the Bourrasque-class and would see extensive service in the exile navy. They go through several refits, adding more AA guns

+ Her Hull B & C have excellent SR AA and MR AA, with an AA rating of 14 and 17.

+ Basically a Bourrasque with better characteristics.

 

ORP "Huragan" (DD VII) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grom-class_destroyer_(1939)

A domestic produced version of the Grom-class made to the same specifications but build in Poland itself rather than ordered from the UK.

Although Armament, engines and boilers would be ordered, up to 55% of the invested budget would be invested inland and the ships would be the first proper warship build in Poland.

+ Almost 5% more engine power, same top speed better acceleration.

+ Unlike the "Black ships" this (almost) copy of Blyskawica is justified. This is like Charleston vs St. Louis

+/- Domestic fictional refits available

 

ORP Grom (DD VIII)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Błyskawica

The sister ship to the famous Blyskawica, presentable in the game as a british or soviet refit unlike her sister which remains in her original configuration.

Note! Blyskawica got the soviet refit after the war as Grom was lost in the war.

+ Heavy AA fire with a rating about 29-33 (UK refit) or  28-31 with a stronger MR AA (USSR refit) 

+/- "Several modifications" the ship is lighter and has a lower center of gravity.

+/- 4x2 - QF 4" guns with high rate of fire or100mm L/56 B-34 with soviet character.

- Pushed up to Tier VIII at the cost of these improvements and options.

 

ORP Warszawa (X)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Warszawa_(1970)

One of the last Polish DDs before missiles becomes default armament. This is an early Cold war era DD of soviet design from the 1950s which would be transferred in 1970 and see service till the 1990s.

+ Soviet gun characteristics although only 2x2 turrets

+ 38kn & higher hp/ton ratio.

+ Powerfull MR AA. 

+/- This would be Tier X, although arguably underpowered.

 

Submarnies

With the upcoming of Submarines to the game, the polish navy would be able to contribute with vessels like the Wilk-class. 

Note: I have no experience with 2020 edition submarines, with the latest being the Halloween special back in 2017 (I think).

Things considered advantages & disadvantages are to be seen.

 

Wilk-class

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilk-class_submarine

+ Heavier than Type VIIc submarines. 

+ Long range underwater by electric motors.

+ Torpedoes on swivle midship.

- Slower than the average submarine on surface, even for the 1930's.

 

ORP Sep

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orzeł-class_submarine

Build in Nederland in 1936, in 1939 she was shiped to Poland by polish crew but with dutch technicians onboard. The submarine ended in Sweden throughout the war and ended up in soviet service after the war. 

+ Faster than the average submarine of the era, both on and under water.

+ Relative good AA for a submarine. Rating about 11-14

+ Soviet refit available.

+ 8 Torpedo tubes.

 

ORP Dzik (premium)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_U-class_submarine

A highly succesful british submarine of the U-class in polish service. Despite slow speed, she managed to sink a total of 18 ships, including 4 warships.

Note: She earned a "Jolly Roger" banner, it's begging to become an event

+ One of the smallest displacement.

+/- The fact she is a costal submarine and not an high seas submarine, is a hurdle or an advantage. 

- Slow at only 11kn

 

There are several more subs and vessels available including an S-class known as ORP Jaskolka and other british lend destroyers... all potential playable ships for a what could have been.

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Assuming the customer base for WOWS is anything like WOT, we'll almost certainly get more Polish ships, and there's a good chance it'll be another silver branch like the Ikeas (with as many paper designs as necessary if WG don't have enough real ones)...

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45 minutes ago, Necro_von_Cortex said:

ORP Conrad (VI)

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Danae_(D44)

This is HMS Danae Tier IV lend/transferred to the polish navy in exile in her 1943 configuration. She sport an improved armament over her 1918 design

+ 10x1 - 6" guns vs her original 6 guns.

Yea, right. No way Jose, can't mount that on a Danae hull.

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11 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Assuming the customer base for WOWS is anything like WOT, we'll almost certainly get more Polish ships, and there's a good chance it'll be another silver branch like the Ikeas (with as many paper designs as necessary if WG don't have enough real ones)...

We don't need any paper ships for that

T6 - Garland (sistership of Gallant)

T7 - Grom (sistership of Błyskawica)

T8 - Piorun (N class a bit different than Orkan and has 5 torp tubes not 4)

T9 - Wicher (sistership of in game Siliwangi) 1949

T10 - Warszawa (same as Neustrashimy just before modernization ) 1958

 

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4 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

T8 - Piorun (N class a bit different than Orkan and has 5 torp tubes not 4)

 

If you want to be technical then the Piorun is the same class as Gadjah. :Smile-_tongue:

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Just now, lafeel said:

If you want to be technical then the Piorun is the same class as Gadjah. :Smile-_tongue:

yeah but the concept is same - less torp tubes and instead... 102mm secondary gun. 

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5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

yeah but the concept is same - less torp tubes and instead... 102mm secondary gun. 

And, to quote Drachinifel, a plane annoyance device. (better than having no aa at all to be  fair..)

3 minutes ago, creamgravy said:

Vasteras was designed for Poland, so you could argue there's 3 in game atm :cap_like:

Don't even need to go that far to reach 3, did you forget Gryf?

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1 minute ago, lafeel said:

 

Don't even need to go that far to reach 3, did you forget Gryf?

Already edited for Gryf. :Smile_hiding:

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