Submarine Battles: Free Submarine Rentals

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

To be fair, that was only two (or was it three) classes. The IJN had plenty of more conventional subs that would be far less problematic to implement.

They produced a lot of those and they had different sub-classes of that with modifications. If I have to guess, they had like 30 of the larger subs.

In my proposal of how to change the subs, I already suggested 4 of the larger classes.

Additional, who wants the small IJN subs? I don't want those. The large ones are awesome...

[lafeel]

3 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

They produced a lot of those and they had different sub-classes of that with modifications. If I have to guess, they had like 30 of the larger subs.

In my proposal of how to change the subs, I already suggested 4 of the larger classes.

Additional, who wants the small IJN subs? I don't want those. The large ones are awesome...

"Small" only compared with the carrier subs. As I recall some of their larger conventional subs were of a size of a USN Gato..

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Perhaps I will give it a go, but those random bundles kinda put me off tbh.

And I am certainly not even gonna bother trying out a BB in tier 6.

I want to play the submarines or perhaps some tier 6 premium I got laying around.

 

We will see.

The random bundles should prevent  500 subs queues. Instead of random bundles they could also just say "We give every day some people an invitation for the subs to lower the sub queues"

Also I will try BBs in that mode, it's important to test those and on PTS you get one shot sub newbs with HE :D

[Pikkozoikum]

4 minutes ago, lafeel said:

"Small" only compared with the carrier subs. As I recall some of their larger conventional subs were of a size of a USN Gato..

Sure, but I was thinking about Sentaka-Day type, which was a small sub. And still, I prefer the larger sub cruisers

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Sure, but I was thinking about Sentaka-Day type, which was a small sub. And still, I prefer the larger sub cruisers

Could still see them, just need to wait and see what WG decides to do, and hope for the best obviously.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

Could still see them, just need to wait and see what WG decides to do, and hope for the best obviously.

I would expect this one:

 

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

I would expect this one:

 

 

Presumably without the Kaiten for obvious reasons..

 

EDIT: Can't help but notice this is the sub that got the Indianapolis..

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Presumably without the Kaiten for obvious reasons..

Sad thing, I don't see the Float plane hangar, so it's a later version without, I guess :(

[lafeel]

4 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Sad thing, I don't see the Float plane hangar, so it's a later version without, I guess :(

For all their questionable morality, the Kaiten were more usefull than the floatplane. Also, unless I badly mis remember the layout of these subs, the  mounts for the rear Kaiten is where the hangar would have been originally.

[NothingButTheRain]

1 hour ago, Pikkozoikum said:

The random bundles should prevent  500 subs queues. Instead of random bundles they could also just say "We give every day some people an invitation for the subs to lower the sub queues"

Also I will try BBs in that mode, it's important to test those and on PTS you get one shot sub newbs with HE :D

I know why they did it. But the way they are limiting them now is not a very cheersome one.

And of course everybody will want to try out the new subs 

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Seems like an awkward and inefficient use of the control keys. WSAD are the main controls obviously, so anything too far away or too close isn't convenient and prone to fail.

 

For ships dropping depth charges, the G key is a touch too far away when the left side Shift key falls very efficiently beneath the small figure and cannot really be accidentally or mistakenly pressed or missed unlike the G key in which the F key or need to actually look at the keyboard and possibly remove ones figures from a control key is a likely possibility and failing. Even the large Space bar "key" is a more natural ergonomically and unmistakable choice.

 

For subs. The C and F key for surfacing/diving are again, not very efficient, smooth or ergonomically sensible in relation to the normal WSAD controls along with the inclusion of a Ctrl+ option and same as the G key for depth charges, involves bumbling about the keyboard and removing a finger or two from the actual controls, all very inefficient, creates moments of momentary straight lining, unwanted directional change from a possible hard turn for example and all totally needlessly. For me, this could be reduced to just two keys, the left Shift key and the main Space bar key. Hold down left shift to surface manually or simple double tap left shift to automatically surface and alternatively, hold the Space bar to dive or double tap the Space bar to automatically dive. 

 

I'm pretty sure from a logically ergonomically convenient perspective this was blatantly obvious from the start but hey, allow me, a guy who's never even played subs our their depth charging counter measures, to point out the obvious.

[AndyHill]

What happens to the XP gathered on rental subs? Does it go to the T1 ship of the nation like regular rentals or does it stay on the sub to be used for getting the next one in line, more like early access ships?

[SV_Kompresor]

9 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

So the new game mode launches and we get to have a lottery each day to see if we get any of the subs at all?

My guess is that this was done to increase the population of ships that are not subs (the XP mission is also indicative of that).

Which ships would be the best picks here anyway?

 

I don't get it, just fill up the empty slots with bots and let everybody play what they want to play.

That wouldn't accomplish anything. It would just be another PTS

[StraightUpYourA]

Maybe im missing something, I just paid 500 coal and got nothing? what is this? like a lottery?

[SV_Kompresor]

20 minutes ago, raz207 said:

Maybe im missing something, I just paid 500 coal and got nothing? what is this? like a lottery?

You didn't pay 500 coal. You got 500 coal

[YabbaCoe]

20 minutes ago, raz207 said:

Maybe im missing something, I just paid 500 coal and got nothing? what is this? like a lottery?

During login you got Submarine token. You exchanged this token in Armory for the first bundle, that contained 500 Coal. Another token you will receive tomorrow.

[Wizard27_1979]

20 minutes ago, raz207 said:

Maybe im missing something, I just paid 500 coal and got nothing? what is this? like a lottery?

You got 500 coal - for free. And you can see what your FREE token for tomorrow's login will give you - either again 500 Coal FOR FREE or the subs.

 

There's nothing to be paid at all - it's just a mechanism to "delay" subs being available to all so that you have to do surface-ships, too. 

[Yamashiro42]

26 minutes ago, raz207 said:

Maybe im missing something, I just paid 500 coal and got nothing? what is this? like a lottery?

You got coal, not spent it.

 

It is a WG's mechanics to spread the availability of subs more evenly, so only one seventh of players get them on day one (today), one seventh on day two (tomorrow), etc. This way there won't be huge queues of players with subs waiting for the game as there will be also enoug players with surface ships...

[YabbaCoe]

3 minutes ago, Wizard27_1979 said:

You got 500 coal - for free. And you can see what your FREE token for tomorrow's login will give you - either again 500 Coal FOR FREE or the subs.

 

There's nothing to be paid at all - it's just a mechanism to "delay" subs being available to all so that you have to do surface-ships, too. 

This is exactly the case. On PT queue was full of players with Submarines and just few of other players tried another classes. So now just a fracture of players will have submarines first day. But in the end of the week everybody will get his option to play submarines.

 

Btw if you have relevant feedback about submarines, don't be afraid to post it here:

 

[medicdragon]

Here we go again! Yet another RNG generated exchange bundles for 'token's'. Have just 'exchange' my first 'token' for 500 coal (I'll take it, it is coal after all), but tomorrows bundle is also another 500 coal. This means it will be at least three frustrating days before I have a chance of dropping a sub (no guarantee even then). Why not a simple mission or the like, in order to obtain the vessel, or even simple drop us a sub? Why another frustrating RNG 'grind'? I played subs on the test server, and had been looking forwards to this mode on the live server, only to be annoyingly frustrated by this WG exchange token for random bundle Joke!

 

 

[YabbaCoe]

19 minutes ago, medicdragon said:

Here we go again! Yet another RNG generated exchange bundles for 'token's'. Have just 'exchange' my first 'token' for 500 coal (I'll take it, it is coal after all), but tomorrows bundle is also another 500 coal. This means it will be at least three frustrating days before I have a chance of dropping a sub (no guarantee even then). Why not a simple mission or the like, in order to obtain the vessel, or even simple drop us a sub? Why another frustrating RNG 'grind'? I played subs on the test server, and had been looking forwards to this mode on the live server, only to be annoyingly frustrated by this WG exchange token for random bundle Joke!

 

 

Because as was mentioned, if everybody would have their hands on subs from day 1, everybody would jump into the queue with sub. Now you can atleast try DDs or other classes.

For example I have the same issue, tomorrow there is Coal waiting for me. But atleast until then I will try DDs or some cruisers there...

If anything your waiting will be compensated with free 3000 coal...

[tsounts]

Had a "funny" experience in the morning, tried going for a submarines' battle but there was just 1 submarine and about 50 other ship types in the queue.... 
Immediately switched for the other "fun" mode of ranked.

[sneakyscotsman]

Ok so i logged in the morning got my token spent it AND got all 3 subs with 19 point captains.

great lets see what its like vs real people not bots, unlike the 300-400 subs in the PTS waiting in line it was 2 per side so no wait.

in my first game subs were kinda nulified by the CV and 6 DD's per side . To be fair the CV did sod all and are easy to hide from but when 4 DD's hunt in a group

subs have no influence on anything, no extra spotting as you cant get near the surface, the torps really dont turn that quickly that a DD cant evade them even with a lock,

and as the DD's act as a barrier getting within shooting distance of any BB is almost impossible as they sat way back.

it was pretty much the same for the next couple of games. To be fair im about to go play a surface ship and guess what ill choose yep a DD,

why would you play a BB when you cant attack a whole class of enemy?

If WG want half decent feedback from this then the classes need a cap on them or the sub game mode will purely be Sub Vs DD.

Just my initial thoughts.

[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Because as was mentioned, if everybody would have their hands on subs from day 1, everybody would jump into the queue with sub. Now you can atleast try DDs or other classes.

For example I have the same issue, tomorrow there is Coal waiting for me. But atleast until then I will try DDs or some cruisers there...

If anything your waiting will be compensated with free 3000 coal...

 

He didnt say give everyone a Sub on Day 1. He said to instead make it something that can be Influenced by the Player like a Mission.

 

For example. You could have done it in a Repeating Cycle Way.

 

Setup a Mission that can be Completed in any Shipclass except Submarines and takes 2000 Base Exp to Complete and can be Completed up to 5 Times per Day. (So effectively 2-5 Battles depending on how well you Perform x5 assuming you do all of them)

Completing the Mission gives you some Random Goodies like Small Signals or a bit of Coal to Interest those that dont care for Submarines at all.  But it also gives you 1 Submarine Rental Token for which you can Rent a Submarine of your Choice for 1 Hour.

 

Renting the same Submarine Twice Extends the Rental Period.

So the Player has the Choice. He can either do all 5 Missions First thus doing about 15-20 Matches in normal Ships and then afterwards have 5 Hours of Submarine Rental he can keep Playing Submarine.

Or he could also do 1 Mission so Play his 2-5 Battles and then take the Sub for 1 Hour Playing Submarine. (3-5 Battles) before he has to do the next Mission to have another 1 Hour with Submarines.

Some might even do nothing but the Missions and Spend all Submarine Tokens on the last Day to just Play Submarine last Day.

And Finally. You could also offer some other Exchange Options for the Submarine Tokens. Like some Free Exp, Credits, Coal, Signals or whatever. Which Players could then Spend the Submarine Tokens on instead. Thus having a Reason to Play Submarine Battles with other Ships entirely even if they themselves are not really Interested in Submarines.

 

This would have made sure that there is always other Ships around. Assuming on the Ratio of Ships you want you can Adjust the Mission to require more or less Base Exp so the number of Matches in Normal Ships compared to the number of Matches in Submarines increases or Decreased.

 

 

So

Why the Hell are you Guys so Freaking Obsessed with turning everything into Gambling lately for heavens sake ?????

You planning to turn this into a Gacha Game or something ?

I am just waiting for the Day when the Tech Trees are gone. And instead we basicly Play Daily Missions to get Ship Tokens which can be Exchanged for Gacha Rolls on Random Ships of different Rarities.

Of course with the Option to Buy Ship Tokens for Real Money to get Additional Rolls on the Gacha and Complete the Collection Faster and Completed with the Chance of the Gacha Dropping Additional Copies of the Ship we then need to Upgrade it or smething.....

 

[Guardian_69_2020]

You want my feedback Wargaming about submarines. ok.
If you play with a DD is unplayable!
1. Enemy cv will spot you with airplanes, you will die, everyone will shoot you, you as a DD are very fragile and low health, bad AA protection, you will die fast!
2. If enemy cv will not spot you with airplanes, it will spot you USN or Russian cruisers with radars! You will die fast!
3. Now WG want to be sure you will die in any case, with a probability of 1000%, so they introduce submarines. If you have skill and escape from both from above, it will spot you the enemy submarines, everyone will shoot you, you die fast.
4. When this will be released official I WILL STOP PLAYING WOWS! It is my choice, and for forum usser who will say: then if you don`t like then dont play, I want to say to those, that to say that in online is called bullying and it is punishable by European law. In the end who are you to judge me? Are you better than me? Do you have 3 or 4 hands? 
With submarines release to the game for DD`s become UNPLAYAIBLE! 
Thank you, but NO!