Ranked Battles Concern

[GrazyC2]

Our group sailed enemy group 1 DD 2 BB killed of our team and I'm certain I had a good team with me we all take Cit's from the opponent I took 1 BB out and the DD My team mate was taking care of the other DD.

I was hit from both sides Front by the BB and Side by an HE spamming Cruiser. even in ranked battles they hide after Islands and spam you to death with HE... Can't WG make it honest by let ranked battles take place on the open ocean we BB's have a far more fair change in this... Those darn HE spammers spam you to death every time. ;-) and between so many small Islands it's unfair for a BB to navigate and aim and not running on an island all together. WG took lousier maps for these ranked battles.

 

[Cyclops_]

Having looked at your T7 BB stats, you need to learn how they work as you have less than 20 games in T7 BB’s,  If I may be so bold, you do not play a ship long enough to know how to play it,  let alone have all the upgrades or the Captains Skills to make it work, good luck.

[DFens_666]

Because an open water engagement is fair for a (every) Cruiser against a BB?

[Lootboxer]

11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Because an open water engagement is fair for a (every) Cruiser against a BB?

Where has OP stated that he wants it fair for an opponent in a lesser boast?

[ClappingLollies]

So you don't want fair engagements OP? We all know T7 cruisers does so well against T7 BBs in open water. No difference in power lvl there. 

 

Maybe you should change up your tactics OP? If you get HE farmed all the time its something wrong with your gameplay. 

[GrazyC2]

2 hours ago, ClappingLollies said:

So you don't want fair engagements OP? We all know T7 cruisers does so well against T7 BBs in open water. No difference in power lvl there. 

 

Maybe you should change up your tactics OP? If you get HE farmed all the time its something wrong with your gameplay. 

Yeah how the hell I shoot someone without seeing him or her or it, just right now I was sailing  start off the game just powering up I get citadel ted by the opponent nothing I could have done. system says i was [edited]AFK. and players say you shouldn't show broadside... WTF could I have done I was 10 seconds in game with my cruiser. Or you shooting perfect broadside and that guy only get 2000 dmg. yeah you should do this or that yeah sure...

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, GrazyC2 said:

Yeah how the hell I shoot someone without seeing him or her or it, just right now I was sailing  start off the game just powering up I get citadel ted by the opponent nothing I could have done. system says i was [edited]AFK. and players say you shouldn't show broadside... WTF could I have done I was 10 seconds in game with my cruiser. Or you shooting perfect broadside and that guy only get 2000 dmg. yeah you should do this or that yeah sure...

Replay and I will tell you.

10s from begin, you should not even be visible, unless you were shooting around.

[GrazyC2]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Replay and I will tell you.

Where you get those I know he records somewhere how do you post it I mean

 

 

[GrazyC2]

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[GrazyC2]

I don't know how you play this, the file I mean

 

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

why are people complaining it wouldnt be fair for a cruiser vs a BB

its supposed to be a counter

just like a BB will die to a destroyer in open waters 

and a destroyer will die to a cruiser in open water

you know, the rockpaperscissors that this game is based around but cant be found anywhere in the constant firestorm that is the average battle 

and with a lot of the BBs dispersion would still give you a fighting chance 

[GrazyC2]

Just now, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

why are people complaining it wouldnt be fair for a cruiser vs a BB

its supposed to be a counter

just like a BB will die to a destroyer in open waters 

and a destroyer will die to a cruiser in open water

you know, the rockpaperscissors that this game is based around but cant be found anywhere in the constant firestorm that is the average battle 

and with a lot of the BBs dispersion would still give you a fighting chance 

Nope not true they had a map open sea ingame I believe it was 2015 or 16 

[GrazyC2]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Replay and I will tell you.

10s from begin, you should not even be visible, unless you were shooting around.

Watch the replay and I never do that, never get attention until I find my spot

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

The level of this forum is plummeting down to the level of the current state of the matches in the game 

 

I say it's a case of L2P OP, Just put more effort and time in it as you'll get better. Or not. 

[GrazyC2]

So what did I wrong if you can't tell me why all the fuss

[ColonelPete]

20 minutes ago, GrazyC2 said:

Yeah how the hell I shoot someone without seeing him or her or it, just right now I was sailing  start off the game just powering up I get citadel ted by the opponent nothing I could have done. system says i was [edited]AFK. and players say you shouldn't show broadside... WTF could I have done I was 10 seconds in game with my cruiser. Or you shooting perfect broadside and that guy only get 2000 dmg. yeah you should do this or that yeah sure...

Do you even know what time is or how long a second is?

13 minutes ago, GrazyC2 said:

20200523_223736_PASC107-New-Orlean-1944_13_OC_new_dawn.wowsreplay

Your match:

• around 10s inactivity before starting your engine
• 70s! after battle start you get spotted while showing broadside
• 110s after battle start you get wiped out by a Lyon you showed broadside to, after another BB shot you before and did minimal damage to you

Your options:

• when sailing for a flank, that forces you to show broadside, do not get that close to the enemy to prevent you from being spotted
• when you are spotted, TURN AWAY! from the enemy, that angles your ship and increases your distance to the enemy, making it harder to hit you and giving you a chance to get out of detection range

[GrazyC2]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Do you even know what time is or how long a second is?

Your match:

• around 10s inactivity before starting your engine
• 70s! after battle start you get spotted while showing broadside
• 110s after battle start you get wiped out by a Lyon you showed broadside to, after another BB shot you before and did minimal damage to you

Your options:

• when sailing for a flank, that forces you to show broadside, do not get that close to the enemy to prevent you from being spotted
• when you are spotted, TURN AWAY! from the enemy, that angles your ship and increases your distance to the enemy, making it harder to hit you and giving you a chance to get out of detection range

Thank you, I watched it myself now and I was baffled I did miss out on the darn warning, shame on me

 

[lossi_2018]

Open seas ranked is not a bad idea, thumps up :)

[ClappingLollies]

10 hours ago, lossi_2018 said:

Open seas ranked is not a bad idea, thumps up :)

World of BBs vs DDs. Sounds like a bad idea if you'd ask me

[GrazyC2]

2 hours ago, ClappingLollies said:

World of BBs vs DDs. Sounds like a bad idea if you'd ask me

Against those HE spamming CA's I love the idea they can't hide and HE spawn you to death, DD's a yeah that's another thing specially with the EU DD's that can launch a salvo of torpedo's, and with the current state off the BB's over pen every time you shoot the DD's it isn't going to do much good in the game...

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 13 Stunden, lossi_2018 sagte:

Open seas ranked is not a bad idea, thumps up :)

"I DO NOT NEED COVER - I NEED LINE OF SIGHT!" 

 

[ClappingLollies]

On 5/24/2020 at 2:26 PM, GrazyC2 said:

Against those HE spamming CA's I love the idea they can't hide and HE spawn you to death, DD's a yeah that's another thing specially with the EU DD's that can launch a salvo of torpedo's, and with the current state off the BB's over pen every time you shoot the DD's it isn't going to do much good in the game...

But again. Getting HE spammed to death at T7 with a BB is user error. Nothing else. I play BBs aswell in ranked. No issues what so ever. 

 

And remember that getting hit with BB overpens when you sail in a DD still hurts like hell. 

 

I think you favor BBs a bit too much. Go play cruisers a bit in ranked and see how weak they are. (most of them) 

[Verblonde]

@GrazyC2 - I believe we may have provided feedback on how to do better in the game previously? Besides that:

• Whilst I wouldn't tell you not to play Ranked, for this season you need to accept that with your low battle count, you're going to get hammered a lot; it would be unreasonable to expect you to be actively good this early - take this season as a learning experience, so you'll come back stronger next time.
• You have games in only one cruiser: NOLA, and she is very hard to do well with, especially for a less experienced player. Personally, I feel that taking cruisers into T7 Ranked is *generally* asking for trouble, but if you really must, there aren't too many that are less suitable picks than NOLA.
• Your BB is Sinop; although this is a notorious monster in Ranked, it still requires some BB know-how - I would suggest that 7 random battles and 9 in Ranked is probably not sufficient to acquire this know-how.

This isn't about stat-shaming, but rather about having a realistic view of where you are, and what you can do right now; some pointers:

• Besides all the 'how to improve' stuff written elsewhere (+join a clan that can teach), set realistic goals - you are almost certainly not going to make it to R1. Perhaps target one of the less unreasonable irreversible ranks.
• Set intermediate goals such as trying to ensure you do your own hp in damage each game.
• Focus on situational awareness: Ranked is pretty good for practicing this as you have fewer ships on each side to keep track of.
• Read/watch tutorials on your chosen ships (suggest focusing on Sinop for this season, as she's a lot more effective than NOLA); try and put what you learn into practice.
• Check your captain build; other BB folk may beg to differ, but I would suggest you want a full tank build (especially if your skill level means you get pummeled a lot) and *at least* ten points.
• If you get sunk early - and you will often - stay in the game and watch how others play; you will probably learn quite a lot (although it may often be 'what not to do'). Jump between ships and observe what all classes are doing.
• Try and establish what you don't know; such a list won't help you this season, but it will tell you which areas you need to focus on/develop for next time. Also, think about future needs: for example, going all out to master a particular T7 ship (Sinop, say) will not help you if the next season isn't T7; when you're working on the 'what next', it's generally better to focus on general skills, rather than one particular ship. That said, the usual sensible policy of playing a diverse range of ships and nations (and holding onto some of the 'keepers') will help for future Ranked seasons, as it should mean your skill-set will be more developed, and you'll have a wider range of ships to choose from.

If this is your first season of Ranked, it was always going to be hard work (doubly so when it's the upper end of your current tier range); all you can do is learn what you can, and carry on trying to improve with time - next time, you'll almost certainly do better, and so on.

[lossi_2018]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

"I DO NOT NEED COVER - I NEED LINE OF SIGHT!" 

 

I mean they tested all kinds of weird stuff 'n modes so why not bring the showgirls out and let everyone of them boys have a go at it? :D

 

 

* readin' dis a 2nd time I admit I kinda lost me train of thought of a bit lol

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 19 Minuten, lossi_2018 sagte:

I mean they tested all kinds of weird stuff 'n modes so why not bring the showgirls out and let everyone of them boys have a go at it? :D 

Like... sloppy secondaries?