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In the game STAT Kremlin have a biggest engine in raw power: 280000 horsepower. The ship is bulky and deep in water and have to be slugish and SLOW. Wargaming dreamed a solution to not so slow and got a very powerfull engine 280k hp (biggest in game).

 

This is great but the ship doesnt have enough machinery space for that big engine. You can check in armor layout how "small"  her citadel area compared to other ship (like Yamato, Kurfurst) compared with engine power.

 

Only (not wisest) solutions:

Wont have space for ammo and her engine uses space technology like dark matter engine  / arkane generator / gravition engine and only uses energy weapons (her guns are laser accurate and turrets turn insane fast too).

 

If this is count a normal ship and not a Magical creation please FIX the missing machinery or delete aprox 100k engine power or revise a proper solution. It cant be  fast with "little engine space" with 280k hp super engine. Kremlin have excess armor in all place and her tonnage have to be a biggest from all with speed 29,5 kts.

 

I think the ship has so deep in water as sail FULL LOAD, and that have to be reduces her speed if correct space allocated for that big engine.

Some other ships are sailing at full load speed but high in water like empty magazine & fuel. Feels great too.

 

Hope for understanding: powerfull engine  -> tonnage -> deep in water -> and can sail quite fast without big machinery space but her turrets turn realy fast.

 

Gun turrets: 30 sec 180 turn?

from wiki Yamato guns: Type 94 naval guns each of which weighed 2,774 tonnes for the complete mount.

Kremlins guns have to be heavier (longer barrels more armor?). What machinery need to turn those enormous guns that fast (and have minimal machinery space for that). 

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2 minutes ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said:

What machinery need to turn those enormous guns that fast (and have minimal machinery space for that). 

The Hand of Stalin ?

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You expect realism in paper ships created by people who very well knew that those miracles would - and could - never be built, so they were free to attribute all kind of delusional stats and features to those flights of fancy to please the ego of Stalin without the fear of being exposed as fraudsters? :Smile_veryhappy:

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Even if you've only got the vaguest idea of how displacement, freeboard, and buoyancy work, just a casual glance at the Kremlin will confirm it is made of magic - it would capsize the moment it turned at any speed, never mind the crazy dragster performance it has in game. 

 

Meanwhile, over in the other nation's lines, where even the theoretical designs were created by people who had, y'know, built actual ships, you'll find that they have freeboard, pitch or lean when turning, and generally behave in a manor consistent with physics. 

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2 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

they were free to attribute all kind of delusional stats and features

...while simultaneously reducing Yamatos speed by one knot because one of 73050 documents says that "Yams speed didn´t really meet the expectations" or whatever.

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2 hours ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said:

In the game STAT Kremlin have a biggest engine in raw power: 280000 horsepower. The ship is bulky and deep in water and have to be slugish and SLOW. Wargaming dreamed a solution to not so slow and got a very powerfull engine 280k hp (biggest in game).

 

This is great but the ship doesnt have enough machinery space for that big engine. You can check in armor layout how "small"  her citadel area compared to other ship (like Yamato, Kurfurst) compared with engine power.

 

Only (not wisest) solutions:

Wont have space for ammo and her engine uses space technology like dark matter engine  / arkane generator / gravition engine and only uses energy weapons (her guns are laser accurate and turrets turn insane fast too).

 

If this is count a normal ship and not a Magical creation please FIX the missing machinery or delete aprox 100k engine power or revise a proper solution. It cant be  fast with "little engine space" with 280k hp super engine. Kremlin have excess armor in all place and her tonnage have to be a biggest from all with speed 29,5 kts.

 

I think the ship has so deep in water as sail FULL LOAD, and that have to be reduces her speed if correct space allocated for that big engine.

Some other ships are sailing at full load speed but high in water like empty magazine & fuel. Feels great too.

 

Hope for understanding: powerfull engine  -> tonnage -> deep in water -> and can sail quite fast without big machinery space but her turrets turn realy fast.

 

Gun turrets: 30 sec 180 turn?

from wiki Yamato guns: Type 94 naval guns each of which weighed 2,774 tonnes for the complete mount.

Kremlins guns have to be heavier (longer barrels more armor?). What machinery need to turn those enormous guns that fast (and have minimal machinery space for that). 

Dude, why you mix oranges with apples ?! Do you live in a parallel Universe, where pixel creations mix at will with real things ?

This game is NOT a sim, is an ARCADE game! Next you will make a post asking where are stored 75-100 big torps on Shimakaze deck.

When IRL a dd could carry at best only one reload for torps.

The devs here can create a ship half size Shimakaze with an engine twice as powerful as Kremlin, nothing can stop them and will work the same in your computer screen. Is just a pixel creation, who can get any form, unrestricted by the laws of common sense, reality, physics, etc.

I said this a lot but some peoples seems to ignore : the ONLY and ONLY connection with real life this game have is the graphic part similarity and the sound part. All the rest is just pure fantasy.

Do not bother with common sense, logic, real life facts, etc - things are mixed here for fun using  Arcade style.  And wait for subs, when they come will be even more crazy things.

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2 hours ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said:

In the game STAT Kremlin have a biggest engine in raw power: 280000 horsepower. The ship is bulky and deep in water and have to be slugish and SLOW. Wargaming dreamed a solution to not so slow and got a very powerfull engine 280k hp (biggest in game).

 

This is great but the ship doesnt have enough machinery space for that big engine. You can check in armor layout how "small"  her citadel area compared to other ship (like Yamato, Kurfurst) compared with engine power.

 

Only (not wisest) solutions:

Wont have space for ammo and her engine uses space technology like dark matter engine  / arkane generator / gravition engine and only uses energy weapons (her guns are laser accurate and turrets turn insane fast too).

 

If this is count a normal ship and not a Magical creation please FIX the missing machinery or delete aprox 100k engine power or revise a proper solution. It cant be  fast with "little engine space" with 280k hp super engine. Kremlin have excess armor in all place and her tonnage have to be a biggest from all with speed 29,5 kts.

 

I think the ship has so deep in water as sail FULL LOAD, and that have to be reduces her speed if correct space allocated for that big engine.

Some other ships are sailing at full load speed but high in water like empty magazine & fuel. Feels great too.

 

Hope for understanding: powerfull engine  -> tonnage -> deep in water -> and can sail quite fast without big machinery space but her turrets turn realy fast.

 

Gun turrets: 30 sec 180 turn?

from wiki Yamato guns: Type 94 naval guns each of which weighed 2,774 tonnes for the complete mount.

Kremlins guns have to be heavier (longer barrels more armor?). What machinery need to turn those enormous guns that fast (and have minimal machinery space for that). 

Ever heard of nuclear power comrade? :Smile_trollface:

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8 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Ever heard of nuclear power comrade? :Smile_trollface:

Considering that the ship was apparently designed during the Cold War, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case lol. 

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34 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Ever heard of nuclear power comrade? :Smile_trollface:

So, dev striking should result in a nuclear explosion and we all die.

 

Does that mean the game is a draw or Kremlin wins for killing the whole enemy team? :Smile_teethhappy:

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Vor 36 Minuten, Yedwy sagte:

Ever heard of nuclear power comrade? :Smile_trollface:

Soviet/RU and nuclear power go together like a toddler and a hand grenade... if Kremlin is nuclear powered, the game should roll a die every 3 minutes to check if something "interesting" happens to the reactor (and the adjacent map sectors). :Smile_trollface:

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6 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Soviet/RU and nuclear power go together like a toddler and a hand grenade... if Kremlin is nuclear powered, the game should roll a die every 3 minutes to check if something "interesting" happens to the reactor (and the adjacent map sectors). :Smile_trollface:

Not quite m8 you should do more research on the matter, they are actually quite decent even if they did have some shall we say "accidental spilage" in their early program (yes even the naval one as we all know)

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These DEVs are not marine engineers... The Kremlin could be a airship as far as they are concerned... I mean they can't even get the basics right but the excuse of balanz is what they hide behind.

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1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Ever heard of nuclear power comrade? :Smile_trollface:

And not any nuclear reactors ( plural, attention ! ) refrigerated but heavy-duty reactors using 99,99 pure vodka as coolant, like Boris teach us here:

 

 

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Just now, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

And not any nuclear reactors ( plural, attention ! ) refrigerated but heavy-duty reactors using 99,99 pure vodka as coolant, like Boris teach us here:

Well all jokes aside if there was ever one thing in which USSR engineering was lacking (and I mean consistently as in developing a pattern) it was making things small/er...

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34 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

 

Soviet/RU and nuclear power go together like a toddler and a hand grenade... if Kremlin is nuclear powered, the game should roll a die every 3 minutes to check if something "interesting" happens to the reactor (and the adjacent map sectors). :Smile_trollface:

In fact,  soviets managed to build some reactors back on time US only dreamed about... do not mix true genuine scientific capacity with the lack of money and dumb politicians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_speed_record

 

Look what they managed to build over half century ago, in a country ruined by ww2 and an industry crippled by the war,  a machine who even today still hold the world record... Imagine what they could build if they would have the US industrial capacity, the money and the human resources, back on time.... Remember they lost over 27 millions in ww2,  a lot more than all allies casualties COMBINED, the country was destroyed, and they were forced to re-build all industry from scrap.

Even so, they still managed somehow - not short of a miracle, though - to produce things who even today are amazing;  

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The Alfa class, Soviet designation Project 705 Lira (Russian: Лира, meaning "Lyre", NATO reporting name Alfa), was a class of nuclear-powered attack submarines in service with the Soviet Navy and later with the Russian Navy. They were the fastest military submarines ever built, with only the prototype submarine K-222 (NATO Reporting Name Papa-class) exceeding them in submerged speed.

The Project 705 submarines had a unique design among other submarines. In addition to the revolutionary use of titanium for its hull, it used a powerful lead-bismuth cooled fast reactor as a power source, which greatly reduced the size of the reactor compared to conventional designs, thus reducing the overall size of the submarine, and allowing for very high speeds. However, it also meant that the reactor had a short lifetime and had to be kept warm when it was not being used. As a result, the submarines were used as interceptors, mostly kept in port ready for a high-speed dash into the North Atlantic."

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14 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Well all jokes aside if there was ever one thing in which USSR engineering was lacking (and I mean consistently as in developing a pattern) it was making things small/er...

Not right, remember that nuclear cruise missile explosion some months ago ?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/russia-explosion-nuclear-rocket-physics

They managed to build miniature nuclear reactors,  used on this prototype missile and on the Poseidon system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status-6_Oceanic_Multipurpose_System

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Vor 1 Minute, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue sagte:

In fact,  soviets managed to build some reactors back on time US only dreamed about... do not mix true genuine scientific capacity with the lack of money and dumb politicians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_speed_record

 

Look what they managed to build over half century ago, in a country ruined by ww2 and an industry crippled by the war,  a machine who even today still hold the world record... Imagine what they could build if they would have the US industrial capacity, the money and the human resources, back on time.... Remember they lost over 27 millions in ww2,  a lot more than all allies casualties COMBINED, the country was destroyed, and they were forced to re-build all industry from scrap.

Even so, they still managed somehow - not short of a miracle, though - to produce things who even today are amazing;  

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The Alfa class, Soviet designation Project 705 Lira (Russian: Лира, meaning "Lyre", NATO reporting name Alfa), was a class of nuclear-powered attack submarines in service with the Soviet Navy and later with the Russian Navy. They were the fastest military submarines ever built, with only the prototype submarine K-222 (NATO Reporting Name Papa-class) exceeding them in submerged speed.

The Project 705 submarines had a unique design among other submarines. In addition to the revolutionary use of titanium for its hull, it used a powerful lead-bismuth cooled fast reactor as a power source, which greatly reduced the size of the reactor compared to conventional designs, thus reducing the overall size of the submarine, and allowing for very high speeds. However, it also meant that the reactor had a short lifetime and had to be kept warm when it was not being used. As a result, the submarines were used as interceptors, mostly kept in port ready for a high-speed dash into the North Atlantic."

I was referring to safety and concern for human lives. There is this joke in Russia: How do you recognize a Northern Fleet sailor? - He glows in the dark. And the Alfas were so loud when they cranked up the speed that they would never have come anywhere near a military target with ASW capabilities. Setting records was a favourite propaganda tool, but maturing the one-trick-ponies into anything suitable for mass production, regular use, decent maintenance and durability was usually not possible.

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Vor 5 Minuten, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue sagte:

Not right, remember that nuclear cruise missile explosion some months ago ?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/russia-explosion-nuclear-rocket-physics

They managed to build miniature nuclear reactors,  used on this prototype missile and on the Poseidon system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status-6_Oceanic_Multipurpose_System

And nobody has seen it working, as usual with the Kremlin's miracle weapon announcements. But there was this funny nuclear accident some months ago when they were supposedly testing it, wasn't it?

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Ship boilers are made of stalinium alloy that enables working pressure of 10 000 psi, thus explaining the overall small engineroom volume.

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6 hours ago, VanD4rk said:

The Hand of Stalin ?

And lubricated by capitalist tears

 

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2 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I was referring to safety and concern for human lives. There is this joke in Russia: How do you recognize a Northern Fleet sailor? - He glows in the dark. And the Alfas were so loud when they cranked up the speed that they would never have come anywhere near a military target with ASW capabilities. Setting records was a favourite propaganda tool, but maturing the one-trick-ponies into anything suitable for mass production, regular use, decent maintenance and durability was usually not possible.

Lol, they do not make that one for "settings records" , that is a childish perspective .... In war time his mission was to rush the carrier groups or to track them even if the carrier try to run and, most important, was able to evade ( outrun ! ) any torpedo the West could field that time, a feature very important for a sub. And that joke about "glowing" come for peoples dumb enough to ignore the history.

 

LOOOL _ "maturing the one-trick-ponies into anything suitable for mass production, regular use, decent maintenance and durability was usually not possible.":Smile_teethhappy:

 

AK47, T72, T54, etc, AShip missiles ( the best then, the best today, decades ahead of anything West was able to produce) , AA missiles ( like the one who downed that  "stealth" aircraft, so the Serbs later apologize to US claiming "sorry , we didn't know was supposed to be "stealth" ... )  ,  all those and many others will tell you "HOLD MY BEER ! ".

In fact, what russian weaponry are most procured exactly for those traits : mass-produced, VERY durable, and VERY easy maintenance - you can see this philosophy in any modern or old russian weapon system.

In the ICBM sub big enough  to host a sauna, and a library. Or the fighter jet able to take of from a potato field, snow, dirt, etc, unlike his murican counterpart who only can be used in dedicated clean, impeccable airfields.

Different philosophy. Different mentality. In time of war, guess which will prevail.

 

URSS back on time have two and only two options, considering the huge disadvantage next to US after ww2 - destroyed economy,  lack of human resources, destroyed industry vs US who enjoyed a booming economy, bigger and most modern industry, plenty of workforce... 

Option 1 - Rush in production all new tech /ships / etc "jumping" pre-trial and shortening a lot the trials, in order to keep the race with US, with the sad price of human life costs... OR

Option 2 - Fold and accept defeat, accept UNIPOLAR order ( translated, murican global dominance over the world) and accept the consequences in external political field.

 

Obvious they choose option 1, they pay the price a lot of times, but also manage some great success: First satellite, first man/woman in space, etc... Malfunction and disasters struck, indeed, but is funny to see how most peoples talk about Kursk sub. disaster but are absolutely ignorant at the fact THE WORST ever military sub. disaster involved not a russian sub but yes, a murican one...

Like many brainwashed by murican propaganda are amazed by the mighty U2 or SR71 spy planes ability to penetrate the URSS airspace, and in the same time are clueless about the fact HUNDREDS of americans were killed/captured and their planes downed/destroyed on the same time ! Western media will make a rambo-event (Hollywood style) from a successful intrusion and will say nothing about the previous 20 planes destroyed  weeks before... cuz propaganda reasons.

In fact, US was way better and deeper than fraking URSS at fooling peoples,  brainwashing them.... a lot better.... was and still is.

https://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/secret-casualties-of-the-cold-war-180967122/

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2 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

And nobody has seen it working, as usual with the Kremlin's miracle weapon announcements. But there was this funny nuclear accident some months ago when they were supposedly testing it, wasn't it?

And you expect to read in your murican news about top secret russia missiles systems, right ? A full article, all details, blueprints, with some nice photo, and even the fully translated service manual, right ?

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3 hours ago, Yedwy said:

Ever heard of nuclear power comrade? :Smile_trollface:

So that is why it can not be citadelled. The shells just melt before arming :D (Except ofc Vodka powered Stalinium shells)

 

2 hours ago, Yedwy said:

Well all jokes aside if there was ever one thing in which USSR engineering was lacking (and I mean consistently as in developing a pattern) it was making things small/er...

Ah yes. Come to think of a joke:

 

- How do you know the KGB is listening in your room?

-There is a new wardrobe.

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3 hours ago, Commander_Ericson said:

So, dev striking should result in a nuclear explosion and we all die.

 

Does that mean the game is a draw or Kremlin wins for killing the whole enemy team? :Smile_teethhappy:

Imagine how cool will be when ramming a dude you wipe-out all red fleet with that big kaboom !:Smile_teethhappy:

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In russia even a 10 cm long wiener tastes as if it was 15 cm long... everything is more powerful in the land of mother russia and uncle Stalin.

You don't believe? Then go to gulag!

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