Falkenhayn — a community created Battlecruiser

[1MajorKoenig]

Hi all,

 

there is a very interesting thread in the German section about a fictional Panzerschiff / Deutschland-Class successor I would also like to share in this section. The resulting ship out of that discussion is a roughly 25000 ts large Battlecruiser with large endurance and eight 28cm guns in a classic A-B-X-Y layout. Here is a sketch how the ship was supposed to look like:

 

Now where it is getting really interesting is when fellow forumite @Parasitkaffee picked this one up to create a 3D model together with the community! Step by step he is building a ship and it’s great to see how the project comes together slowly. 
 

This is where we started:

 

As a community project it certainly involves plenty of discussion but slowly the ship is shaping up - it certainly looks already like a Battlecruiser, doesn’t it?

 

 

A lot of discussions were revolving around the superstructure - and while it may be obvious - I find it very interesting to realize that all the different pieces of equipment such a large ship carries need their place. I simply haven’t really thought about such things much before. This is how the superstructure currently looks:

 

 

Proposed characteristics for the ship:

 

Type: Battlecruiser / Large Heavy Cruiser

Length: 229 m

Width: 28 m 

Draft: 8,5 m

Displacement STD: 25000 ts

Propulsion:

•  4 screws / Diesel + Steam mixed / 174000 HP total
• 2 x 4 Diesel M12Z 42/58 center shafts 2 x 32000 HP
• steam turbines outer shafts 2 x 55000 HP

Speed: 33kn 

Belt armour max: 200mm

Primary Battery: 4 x 2 28.3cm L/54.5 C/34

Secondary Battery: 8 x 2 10.5cm L/65 C/37 DP

AA: 16 x 4cm or 3.7cm Flak + 8x4 2cm L/65 C/38

 

 

 

 

We hope you like it so far and would highly welcome your thoughts, feedback and support. You never know - maybe WG can take a look and make this an addition to the game some day! She could be a very nice ship in WOWS, no...? 

 

 

 

 

Gallery (to be continued — as the project progresses):

 

4cm Bofors by @DerNackteWahnsinn

 

[Yedwy]

Wut? T6 BB? NO!

 

If you want it to be a Deutchland succesor it shoud be a supercruiser now at which tier that is the question, maybe T8 would fit her

[Parasitkaffee]

After the Falkenhayn we will make a Later build Sistership called Schlieffen with Improvements as Better AA extra Torpedotubes and some other little things. 

[1MajorKoenig]

12 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Wut? T6 BB? NO!

 

If you want it to be a Deutchland succesor it shoud be a supercruiser now at which tier that is the question, maybe T8 would fit her

 

One can certainly argue about that :-) 

 

The ship is probably somewhere between Graf Spee and Scharnhorst That’s why I thought about T6. 

 

The super cruiser idea is also nice - potently even better for for the more modern half-sister Kaffee mentioned (AA and such)

[VeryHonarbrah]

8 minutes ago, Parasitkaffee said:

After the Falkenhayn we will make a Later build Sistership called Schlieffen with Improvements as Better AA extra Torpedotubes and some other little things. 

Got any details on the thickness of the armour scheme u want + details of the secondary armament. Gonna build it in my current game of Rule the Waves 2, doing a germany run through

[Parasitkaffee]

If thare any questions about the Construction feel free to ask I will try to help 

 

[ClappingLollies]

What 3D software are you guys using? If you need some assets i can help out

[Parasitkaffee]

Just now, ClappingLollies said:

What 3D software are you guys using? If you need some assets i can help out

Autodesk Fusion 360 

[1MajorKoenig]

1 minute ago, VeryHonarbrah said:

Got any details on the thickness of the armour scheme u want + details of the secondary armament. Gonna build it in my current game of Rule the Waves 2, doing a germany run through

 

The secondary guns are 4x2 10.5cm AA guns filling in as DP guns. 

 

The belt is 200mm I believe - I need to summon @Walther_K_Nehring for the correct value

[Aragathor]

Don't forget to include over-nerfing and no fun when playing when creating the ship. You know, to make it like WG does.

[Yedwy]

7 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

The ship is probably somewhere between Graf Spee and Scharnhorst That’s why I thought about T6. 

Sharnhost has BB plate, this should not have one by the merit of logical evolution, also 12×11" will hardly cut it as a T6 BB where an average weapon in that class can be considered to be 12×14", you could make it work as  BB with tweaking but you would end up with a low power ship that would have to be gimmicked up badly to have any merit, now as a T8 supercruiser on the other hand with 12×11" she would be a VERY interesting ship, also it would open up an option for the upgraded version to go to T9 or 10

[1MajorKoenig]

28 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

12×11" will hardly cut it as a T6

 

Actually it is just 8x 11”. 

 

Super Cruiser would also be possible - and interesting -  but I think era wise she would be a better fit for mid tiers. 

[Yedwy]

Oh well with 8×11 inchers she is definetly not BB material (although I dont see why she wouldnt carry triples since Spee did) in any case its SC/CC (or whatever you choose to call it) for T7-T8 with option for further upgraded version to carry Sharns/Spees triple turrets and more torp and AA

[ColonelPete]

If she gets at least 200mm of armor, she could work as a mid Tier BB.

With armor like the Deutschland Class, it would be better to make her a super cruiser.

[nambr9]

And I thought fictional ships are reserved for Soviet branch only.

 

Impressed.

[Peffers]

4 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

And I thought fictional ships are reserved for Soviet branch only.

 

Impressed.

and german Cvs…..ahem.

 

must be fun designing but more fantasy ships no thanks.

[CptBarney]

I actually like this idea, i don't have the time now, but during the summer im actually going to start building my ships i've designed in 3ds max or blender (probs do blender).

It seems like the guy you mentioned is using cad from the modelling window, but i can't be too sure has an autodesk feeling to it.

 

Otherwise im quite interested to see where this will pan out. Also having her as a super cruiser would be a cool idea, since she has more of a cruiser feel to her. Be stronger in a cruiser slot anyways.

[HaachamaShipping]

20 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Actually it is just 8x 11”. 

 

Super Cruiser would also be possible - and interesting -  but I think era wise she would be a better fit for mid tiers. 

Era-wise, as a successor to Spee, it just means a cruiser on tiers 7+ though. With 200 mm of belt, the ship imo is T7-9, depending on how you tweak the guns, any additional reinforced plating and number of torp tubes.

[CptBarney]

22 minutes ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Era-wise, as a successor to Spee, it just means a cruiser on tiers 7+ though. With 200 mm of belt, the ship imo is T7-9, depending on how you tweak the guns, any additional reinforced plating and number of torp tubes.

The non-prem version should branch of deutchland or be the tier 7 if weegee ever add a german supercruiser line at any point.

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

She could be a nice T6 BB, no...? 

I belive we already had clarified that this ship was and is designed as overheavy cruiser ... Wargaming always goes after the national classifications ... so it's anyway a cruiser and not a battleship Major

My interpretation is a Tier 8 "Super Cruiser" ...

[wot_2016_gunner]

@1MajorKoenig @Parasitkaffee I really like the idea. Tho, just like Graf Spee, i don't consider this neither a BB nor a battlecruiser; i formally call Graf Spee (and this one) a Pocket Battleship, however, i consider it an AC:"Amaizing Contraption". 

 

I think the belt should be max 120mm; Graf Spee had only 80mm and Admiral Scheer had only 60mm, so i wouldn't go beyond 120.

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

3 minutes ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

I think the belt should be max 120mm; Graf Spee had only 80mm and Admiral Scheer had only 60mm, so i wouldn't go beyond 120. 

The armor has a layout to be save against 8" shells, the minimum to be save there is a 180mm belt, we give here a 200mm belt to be on the absolute save side

[ColonelPete]

Then she is too strong for a Tier VIII cruiser.

[CptBarney]

Is there any stats for this ship at all?

[Yedwy]

17 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

The non-prem version should branch of deutchland or be the tier 7 if weegee ever add a german supercruiser line at any point.

This is actually a good idea - make a SC line so poor Aegir might actually find a home already