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Dubious Suggestion - Paying to turn Tech Tree Ships into Premium ships?

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Would you be interested in paying the ability to convert a tech tree ship into a Premium version?
Do you think it be harmful to the game?
 
The 5 benefits of Premium Ships.
1) The ability to use any Captain of the ship's nation without requiring retraining or suffering any penalty. Including if the Captain is partially through retraining.
2) Increased credit earning coefficient.
3) Reduced post battle Service Cost after Tier 5. (See https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Economy#Service_Cost)
4) Come with Permanent Camo as default (which is mostly but not always the same as the permanent camo you could buy for tech tree ships at that tier).
5) Always elite, for anyone who cares about converting Xp into free XP.
Special ships which tend to have all of the above except the increased credit
 
Many Premium ships are unique but many are pretty close to existing ships and a few are outright clone.
 
In terms of Pay-To-Winness during an actual battle, the ability to just slot in a high skill point captain is a significant benefit, although obviously this is common enough due to existing premium ships.
 
Now, whether it would be in WG’s economic interests to sell this ability is questionable. If they’re selling it for Doubloons (and hence mostly real money) it’s an obvious money maker, but would possibly hit their sales of Premium Ships.
 
It could be a FreeXP/Coal/Steel or (god-forbid) Research Bureau.
 
Would you want this in the game?
Any ships you’d want to be able to do this with?
 
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Been suggested before, been shot down every time.

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19 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Been suggested before, been shot down every time.

 

Just out of curiosity - do you know why? Sounds like €€€?

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Balancing policy I guess, what they could do however is make proper permaflages that do next best thing

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But  you  can do this already, not cheap, but you can:

Just buy the premium camo. Will get you the economical rewards.

As for the captains: buy doubloons and transfer them into free XP and set up a new dedicated captain.

 

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Research bureau would also cause a problem with this.

 

What could be done though is if the premium camouflage also allowed captain swapping.

The camo is separate from the ship so would be demounted if the line is reset and the ship itself would stay the same. 

 

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2 hours ago, SoothingWhaleSong said:
Would you be interested in paying the ability to convert a tech tree ship into a Premium version?
Do you think it be harmful to the game?

But this is already integrated in the game. Any ship in the game is premium for 750k free xp and few thousands of dobloons for the permanent camo.

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2 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Just out of curiosity - do you know why? Sounds like €€€?

Yes but WG isn't allowed to touch premium ships to balance them (? correct me if i am wrong there).
So it would be just a mess if some ships gets nerfed.

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simple:

- retain money from captn retraining for other ships via dubs and/or free xp, as well as captn respecs

- retain money from possibility to use free xp for maxing out captns/skip retraining

--> retain money from converting ship xp via dubs to free xp

 

won't ever happen, case closed.

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I honestly wouldn't have a clue how you would integrate this into the research bureau system.

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3 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

But  you  can do this already, not cheap, but you can:

Just buy the premium camo. Will get you the economical rewards.

Except the small thing that only T10 permacamos actually give income bonuses comparable to T10 reward ships, all other tiers are not even close

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2 hours ago, Yedwy said:

Except the small thing that only T10 permacamos actually give income bonuses comparable to T10 reward ships, all other tiers are not even close

Then again, the economy at lower tiers isn't nearly as 'harsh' as tier X

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1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

Then again, the economy at lower tiers isn't nearly as 'harsh' as tier X

Thats not the point, premium ship gives +50% silver per fight, additionally you have the camo modifiers for XP, repair cost etc, more or less they are the same for prem ships permaflage as they are for silver ships permaflage BUT the additional money is not included in the camo, its baked in the ship itself so say you have 100k profit form a silver ship for some given result, premium will likely have almost twice as much profit as when you take into account more money and less repair cost 

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9 hours ago, SoothingWhaleSong said:
Would you be interested in paying the ability to convert a tech tree ship into a Premium version?
Do you think it be harmful to the game?

Very much so (despite having almost all the premiums in the game).

 

IMO it wouldn't be harmful to the game, although there are a few factors to consider:

  • However it worked, it would need to be excluded from the 'no nerfs for premiums' policy; it would also need to be made abundantly clear - and repeatedly - that it was excluded.
  • Assuming you'd include the premium captain-swapping ability, there would probably be a risk of increased seal-clubbing, as it would be easier to drop a 19 point captain into a T4, if you really wanted to (although you could only make the feature available from - say - T6 and up).
  • If everyone did it, there would be more silver sploshing around the game, which might encourage WG to raise prices, which might be a nuisance.

No doubt I've missed something, but I would cheerfully play some money to make a few key favourite silver line ships into (essentially) nerfable premiums. Leander springs to mind, for one...

 

To be honest though, I'd probably be happy with permaflage that equalled the performance of the T10 permaflage, regardless of tier (I can live without the 'any captain' thing, but I do have plenty of 19 pointers available to quickly advance less good captains).

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