[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,598 battles Report post #1 Posted May 15, 2020 Hi all, Latest WoWs "Ship Class Popularity" graph... Red = Cruisers Blue = BBs Green = DDs Orange = CVs Graph starts around 01.01.2019. and ends around 01.03.2020. Source: Developer Q&A on Discord Discussion: Cruisers are back on the top with BBs following closely - this was surprise to me because I thought that BBs are still in the lead after all recent changes DDs popularity fell after comeback for CVs which was fact that we all knew - I am kinda sad because of that CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... Leo "Apollo11" 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted May 15, 2020 Tier VII+ looks like this: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_OC_] Mastodon2 Players 110 posts 1,571 battles Report post #3 Posted May 15, 2020 If only there was a way to get that orange line even lower, it would be good for the health of the game. I'd bet my lunch that the increase in players from the CV rework has not nearly compensated for the loss of players who simply quit the game after the abysmal, blundering CV rework. 5 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNFC] NicramDuel Players 282 posts 24,890 battles Report post #4 Posted May 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... Surprise return of dynamo: 1 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,598 battles Report post #5 Posted May 15, 2020 Hi all, 16 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Tier VII+ looks like this: Where did you get that graph from Pete? Leo "Apollo11" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #6 Posted May 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: Hi all, Latest WoWs "Ship Class Popularity" graph... Red = Cruisers Blue = BBs Green = DDs Orange = CVs Graph starts around 01.01.2019. and ends around 01.03.2020. Source: Developer Q&A on Discord Discussion: Cruisers are back on the top with BBs following closely - this was surprise to me because I thought that BBs are still in the lead after all recent changes DDs popularity fell after comeback for CVs which was fact that we all knew - I am kinda sad because of that CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... Leo "Apollo11" Looks pretty reasonable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hirohito Players 1,717 posts 6,192 battles Report post #7 Posted May 15, 2020 BBs will most likely be on top regardless of any class balance. New players have a tendency to flock to the "big, bad class with the biggest guns", and there are quite many of those players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #8 Posted May 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: Hi all, Where did you get that graph from Pete? Leo "Apollo11" http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200509/eu_week/average_class_u.html from the last 100+ weeks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,598 battles Report post #9 Posted May 15, 2020 Hi all, 12 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200509/eu_week/average_class_u.html from the last 100+ weeks Ahh... I see... The "problem" is that "MapleSyrup" lists only "Random" battles and that all WoWs stats sites differ among themselves although all are using the same WoWs API: MapleSyrup ProShips.ru WoWs Stats & Numbers Leo "Apollo11" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ALONE] Smeggo Modder 2,485 posts 15,344 battles Report post #10 Posted May 15, 2020 I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs. BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #11 Posted May 15, 2020 Random battles is the interesting part. And I would guess the WG graph shows random battles too. It does not make sense to mix different battley types into one graph. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hirohito Players 1,717 posts 6,192 battles Report post #12 Posted May 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, Smeggo said: I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs. BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs. This is a very plausible explanation. The graph shows that the immediate decline (and later rise) in in DD population is followed by an immediate rise (and later drop) in CV population. This is likely because its the same players that switch class type. Had the CV population however directly caused the DD population to decline, you would see a delayed effect where the CV population rises sharply, caused by a gradual decline in DD population as they get "fed up". This is not evident from the graps above, and suggest that they are in fact mostly the same players. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,310 battles Report post #13 Posted May 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, Smeggo said: I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs. BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs. Yes there is, press P and enjoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SITH-] POIfection Players 220 posts 6,028 battles Report post #14 Posted May 15, 2020 Can we have a graph for the use of POI in game chat? 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #15 Posted May 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, Smeggo said: I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs. BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs. I wonder why DD players were most likely to stop playing DD in favour of CV... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ALONE] Smeggo Modder 2,485 posts 15,344 battles Report post #16 Posted May 15, 2020 The official answer was DD-players usually "prefer a more action-focused gameplay" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
747BeerDrop Players 96 posts 136 battles Report post #17 Posted May 16, 2020 @Leo_Apollo11 I assume its the results and graphs of the matchmaker, including all game modes ( incl. Coop, Ranked ) ? The green graph shows DD`s at around 23%, which I do not find surprising as a lot of T10 matches now get 3 - 4x DD`s dished out by the matchmaker. It`s sometimes amazing to see 3 or 4 DD`s burning away 1 BB within 1 minute in some matches. If one wants to get the DD population above 25%, then it would mean the T10 matchmaker dishing out 4-5 or more DD`s per team and match. BTW The 3% CV at the beginning look really funny haha. Thanks for publishing the graphs, Leo :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #18 Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 9:27 AM, Leo_Apollo11 said: Hi all, Latest WoWs "Ship Class Popularity" graph... Red = Cruisers Blue = BBs Green = DDs Orange = CVs Graph starts around 01.01.2019. and ends around 01.03.2020. Source: Developer Q&A on Discord Discussion: Cruisers are back on the top with BBs following closely - this was surprise to me because I thought that BBs are still in the lead after all recent changes DDs popularity fell after comeback for CVs which was fact that we all knew - I am kinda sad because of that CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... Leo "Apollo11" Well, once the new RU CAs with their stealth radar are fully released, we can expect DDs to drop even further. But only for a short time, cause then we get the german CVs so... oh wait. I‘d say nerf rocket planes on CV, nerf CVs in general and then remove stealth radar capability from all cruisers. That would be a start. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #19 Posted May 16, 2020 DD have been between 20 and 25% at Tier VII+ the past two years, depending on what line came out. Dips below 20% were always quite short. That is unlikely to change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
747BeerDrop Players 96 posts 136 battles Report post #20 Posted May 16, 2020 Had a t10 match just now, 12 players each, 3 DD`s per team. 25% DD`s spot on :D Another match with 4 DD`s each ( 33% ) and 12 players each. Lots of DD battling going on: I find that 4 DD`s max per team is good, 5 DD`s per team would be a bit too much - At least with 12 players each per team. It would be great if WG add`s a very more players slots to matches, also in view of Submarines. I would find 16 vs 16 more interesting and would enjoy much more action. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,598 battles Report post #21 Posted May 17, 2020 Hi all, 9 hours ago, 747BeerDrop said: @Leo_Apollo11 I assume its the results and graphs of the matchmaker, including all game modes ( incl. Coop, Ranked ) ? The green graph shows DD`s at around 23%, which I do not find surprising as a lot of T10 matches now get 3 - 4x DD`s dished out by the matchmaker. It`s sometimes amazing to see 3 or 4 DD`s burning away 1 BB within 1 minute in some matches. If one wants to get the DD population above 25%, then it would mean the T10 matchmaker dishing out 4-5 or more DD`s per team and match. BTW The 3% CV at the beginning look really funny haha. Thanks for publishing the graphs, Leo :) We simply don't know... it is WG's own graph... some Forumites think that the graph represent just "Random" battles... Leo "Apollo11" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #22 Posted May 17, 2020 Please don't copy WG and give graphs without a real meaning... To really be usefull we'd need a graph for each ship tier, to see how CVs are influencing the game. Just doing graphs for certain parts of the game isn't really helpful, but possibly the way WG uses it's might spreadshiet (aka "we don't give a f*ck about lower tier balancing as players will all play T10 someday and so we only have to spend money on balancing that tier...") 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImTryingButYouDontHelp Players 3,124 posts 23,045 battles Report post #23 Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 9:27 AM, Leo_Apollo11 said: IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... Leo "Apollo11" WG idea: "Let's introduce subs in the game" People play a bit more DDs now because the european branch is the only one to fight CVs. You wait until subs are introduced in randoms, and maybe you will see them disappear because of subs spotting them, and them not being able to spot subs (spotting distance is a lot better for subs). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
747BeerDrop Players 96 posts 136 battles Report post #24 Posted May 17, 2020 It would be nice if WG adds more player slots to matches, once submarines are in the random match mode. The future updated matchmaker rule changes will be interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HU-SD] Prospect_b Players 2,655 posts 14,214 battles Report post #25 Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 10:25 AM, 1MajorKoenig said: CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS Yes, if you account for all tier, which is heavily misrepresented by glorious clubfiesta at tier 4. If you look at the high tier charts from Pete, you can see that the rework as a goal to make CVs more popular was a major failure (not to mention the other aspects). I'm quite sure @El2aZeR can fill you in on more specific numbers. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
