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Hi all,

 

Latest WoWs "Ship Class Popularity" graph...

 

Iv0UqDp.png

 

Red = Cruisers

Blue = BBs

Green = DDs

Orange = CVs

 

Graph starts around 01.01.2019. and ends around 01.03.2020.

 

 

Source:

 

Developer Q&A on Discord

 

 

Discussion:

  • Cruisers are back on the top with BBs following closely - this was surprise to me because I thought that BBs are still in the lead after all recent changes
  • DDs popularity fell after comeback for CVs which was fact that we all knew - I am kinda sad because of that
  • CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS

 

 

IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... :Smile_hiding:

 

 

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If only there was a way to get that orange line even lower, it would be good for the health of the game. I'd bet my lunch that the increase in players from the CV rework has not nearly compensated for the loss of players who simply quit the game after the abysmal, blundering CV rework.

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39 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... :Smile_hiding:

 

 

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Hi all,

 

16 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Tier VII+ looks like this:

image.thumb.png.27a74201c523c22144c8ac63a813743d.png

 

Where did you get that graph from Pete?

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

Latest WoWs "Ship Class Popularity" graph...

 

Iv0UqDp.png

 

Red = Cruisers

Blue = BBs

Green = DDs

Orange = CVs

 

Graph starts around 01.01.2019. and ends around 01.03.2020.

 

 

Source:

 

Developer Q&A on Discord

 

 

Discussion:

  • Cruisers are back on the top with BBs following closely - this was surprise to me because I thought that BBs are still in the lead after all recent changes
  • DDs popularity fell after comeback for CVs which was fact that we all knew - I am kinda sad because of that
  • CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS

 

 

IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... :Smile_hiding:

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

Looks pretty reasonable. 

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BBs will most likely be on top regardless of any class balance.
New players have a tendency to flock to the "big, bad class with the biggest guns", and there are quite many of those players.

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Hi all,

 

12 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

 

Ahh... I see...

 

The "problem" is that "MapleSyrup" lists only "Random" battles and that all WoWs stats sites differ among themselves although all are using the same WoWs API:

  • MapleSyrup
  • ProShips.ru
  • WoWs Stats & Numbers

 

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I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs.

 

BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs.

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Random battles is the interesting part.

And I would guess the WG graph shows random battles too. It does not make sense to mix different battley types into one graph.

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38 minutes ago, Smeggo said:

I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs.

 

BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs.

This is a very plausible explanation.
The graph shows that the immediate decline (and later rise) in in DD population is followed by an immediate rise (and later drop) in CV population.
This is likely because its the same players that switch class type.

Had the CV population however directly caused the DD population to decline, you would see a delayed effect where the CV population rises sharply, caused by a gradual decline in DD population as they get "fed up".
This is not evident from the graps above, and suggest that they are in fact mostly the same players.

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45 minutes ago, Smeggo said:

I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs.

 

BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs.

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54 minutes ago, Smeggo said:

I heard its not the CVs that drove DDs away, its more that DD-players switched to playing CVs.

 

BTW - all 6 upcoming CVs currently have almost no weaponry against DDs.

I wonder why DD players were most likely to stop playing DD in favour of CV...

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The official answer was DD-players usually "prefer a more action-focused gameplay" 

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I assume its the results and graphs of the matchmaker, including all game modes ( incl. Coop, Ranked ) ?

 

The green graph shows DD`s at around 23%,

which I do not find surprising as a lot of T10 matches now get 3 - 4x DD`s dished out by the matchmaker.

 

It`s sometimes amazing to see 3 or 4 DD`s burning away 1 BB within 1 minute in some matches.

 

If one wants to get the DD population above 25%, then it would mean the T10 matchmaker dishing out 4-5 or more DD`s per team and match.

 

BTW The 3% CV at the beginning look really funny haha.

 

Thanks for publishing the graphs, Leo :)

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On 5/15/2020 at 9:27 AM, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

Latest WoWs "Ship Class Popularity" graph...

 

Iv0UqDp.png

 

Red = Cruisers

Blue = BBs

Green = DDs

Orange = CVs

 

Graph starts around 01.01.2019. and ends around 01.03.2020.

 

 

Source:

 

Developer Q&A on Discord

 

 

Discussion:

  • Cruisers are back on the top with BBs following closely - this was surprise to me because I thought that BBs are still in the lead after all recent changes
  • DDs popularity fell after comeback for CVs which was fact that we all knew - I am kinda sad because of that
  • CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS

 

 

IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... :Smile_hiding:

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

Well, once the new RU CAs with their stealth radar are fully released, we can expect DDs to drop even further. 

 

But only for a short time, cause then we get the german CVs so... oh wait. 

 

 

I‘d say nerf rocket planes on CV, nerf CVs in general and then remove stealth radar capability from all cruisers. 

 

That would be a start. 

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DD have been between 20 and 25% at Tier VII+ the past two years, depending on what line came out.

Dips below 20% were always quite short.

 

That is unlikely to change.

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Had a t10 match just now,

12 players each, 3 DD`s per team.

25% DD`s spot on :D

 

Another match with 4 DD`s each ( 33% ) and 12 players each.

Lots of DD battling going on:

 

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I find that 4 DD`s max per team is good,

5 DD`s per team would be a bit too much - At least with 12 players each per team.

 

It would be great if WG add`s a very more players slots to matches,

also in view of Submarines.

 

I would find 16 vs 16 more interesting and would enjoy much more action.

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Hi all,

 

9 hours ago, 747BeerDrop said:

@Leo_Apollo11

I assume its the results and graphs of the matchmaker, including all game modes ( incl. Coop, Ranked ) ?

 

The green graph shows DD`s at around 23%,

which I do not find surprising as a lot of T10 matches now get 3 - 4x DD`s dished out by the matchmaker.

 

It`s sometimes amazing to see 3 or 4 DD`s burning away 1 BB within 1 minute in some matches.

 

If one wants to get the DD population above 25%, then it would mean the T10 matchmaker dishing out 4-5 or more DD`s per team and match.

 

BTW The 3% CV at the beginning look really funny haha.

 

Thanks for publishing the graphs, Leo :)

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We simply don't know... it is WG's own graph... some Forumites think that the graph represent just "Random" battles...

 

 

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Please don't copy WG and give graphs without a real meaning...

 

To really be usefull we'd need a graph for each ship tier, to see how CVs are influencing the game. Just doing graphs for certain parts of the game isn't really helpful, but possibly the way WG uses it's might spreadshiet (aka "we don't give a f*ck about lower tier balancing as players will all play T10 someday and so we only have to spend money on balancing that tier...")

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On 5/15/2020 at 9:27 AM, Leo_Apollo11 said:

 

 

IMHO I would really love that DDs gain back their popularity but I honestly don't know how... :Smile_hiding:

 

 

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WG idea: "Let's introduce subs in the game" :Smile_amazed:

People play a bit more DDs now because the european branch is the only one to fight CVs. You wait until subs are introduced in randoms, and maybe you will see them disappear because of subs spotting them, and them not being able to spot subs (spotting distance is a lot better for subs).

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It would be nice if WG adds more player slots to matches,

once submarines are in the random match mode.

The future updated matchmaker rule changes will be interesting.

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On 5/15/2020 at 10:25 AM, 1MajorKoenig said:

CVs are steady just below 10% - but which is higher that when CVs were RTS

Yes, if you account for all tier, which is heavily misrepresented by glorious clubfiesta at tier 4.

 

If you look at the high tier charts from Pete, you can see that the rework as a goal to make CVs more popular was a major failure (not to mention the other aspects).

 

I'm quite sure @El2aZeR can fill you in on more specific numbers.

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