ST - New ships

[Tanatoy]

In this devblog, we would like to present you two new ships.

 

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Please note that all information in the development blog is preliminary and subject to change during testing. Showcased features may or may not end up on the main server. Any final information will be published on our game's website.

[Allied_Winter]

Can you share the characteristics of the KM Hydro? 5km ship detection? 6km?

[fumtu]

13 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

Can you share the characteristics of the KM Hydro? 5km ship detection? 6km?

 

Datamined stats are showing 6km for ships. Wonder why they didn't put these values in devblog as they are important.

[1MajorKoenig]

37 minutes ago, Tanatoy said:

In this devblog, we would like to present you two new ships.

 

Read more.

 

Please note that all information in the development blog is preliminary and subject to change during testing. Showcased features may or may not end up on the main server. Any final information will be published on our game's website.

 

I LOVE the Lowenhardt concept!!

 

Do I spot Ju 87s on that flight deck or are these placeholders...? 

[HaachamaShipping]

Loewenhardt is absolute lulz. The flights are smal, if you compare to AR maybe, but pretty normal otherwise. The AP rockets are WIP and might range from broken to garbage. Torps and bombs are actually usable though, which basically means this thing is just a premium T6 CV for those who want German but cannot be bothered with the floating garbage that is Weser.

4 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

I LOVE the Lowenhardt concept!!

 

Do I spot Ju 87s on that flight deck or are these placeholders...? 

Could be. Would likely fulfill the DB role, as the DBs statswise are better than the crap the August von Parzeval gets.

[Smeggo]

Yes, these looks like Stukas - nice. 

 

 

[Finitan]

@Allied_Winter

 

[Benser33]

Ludendorff is covered in quad barreled 30mm Flak38s which Germany did not complete development of in reality. However, its AA is inferior to FDG.

 

Loewenhardt has a secondary range of 5km, for the curious.

[CptBarney]

24 minutes ago, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu said:

Ludendorff is covered in quad barreled 30mm Flak38s which Germany did not complete development of in reality. However, its AA is inferior to FDG.

 

Loewenhardt has a secondary range of 5km, for the curious.

Was expecting ludendorff to have heavier AA like 600+ at short range maybe around 200 for long range.

 

The cv looks pretty gud doe, except for the torps seem a bit questionable, AP rockets remain to be seen if they will be broken or useless.

[CaptainKreutzer]

Well Ludendorff is a ship that i didn't hope, I hoped to see T10 H42 or T9 Again but using 420s of FDG with Torpedo setup or something like that, it's just weird to see triple turret German Battleship. Well to stats it's terrible, Reload of 32 second, terrible gun angles similar to GK, AA that's worse then FDG, Rudder shift of 22 second( Instead of 17.5 of FDG), so right now Ludendorff looks like worse FDG to me.

 

Löwenhardth looking very nice speedy CV with GZ secondaries and finally Stuka's i think if i saw correctly, Torpedo's are like downtiered GZ which is way better then main line Weser or August. DB has GZ's circle ellipse which is scaring me because you know GZ DB reticle is terrible and needs rework. I still didn't talk about AP rockets but i don't know much about them.

 

Plus here: please change German CV line torpedos they might have heavy damage but they don't have that usability like GZ's torpedos or Löwenhardt's torpedos, with 25 knots and 738 meters arming distance at T10 is horrible.

[CptBarney]

5 minutes ago, CaptainKreutzer said:

Well Ludendorff is a ship that i didn't hope, I hoped to see T10 H42 or T9 Again but using 420s of FDG with Torpedo setup or something like that, it's just weird to see triple turret German Battleship. Well to stats it's terrible, Reload of 32 second, terrible gun angles similar to GK, AA that's worse then FDG, Rudder shift of 22 second( Instead of 17.5 of FDG), so right now Ludendorff looks like worse FDG to me.

 

Löwenhardth looking very nice speedy CV with GZ secondaries and finally Stuka's i think if i saw correctly, Torpedo's are like downtiered GZ which is way better then main line Weser or August. DB has GZ's circle ellipse which is scaring me because you know GZ DB reticle is terrible and needs rework. I still didn't talk about AP rockets but i don't know much about them.

 

Plus here: please change German CV line torpedos they might have heavy damage but they don't have that usability like GZ's torpedos or Löwenhardt's torpedos, with 25 knots and 738 meters arming distance at T10 is horrible.

Jesus 22 sec rudder shift, she turns like a bloody cv at that rate. her disperison is 273m's as well same as yamato im wondering how much worse her consistency will be at range. Also H42 would have 482's and better AA it seems like 40x2 rather than 12x2 to what GKF has atm.

 

But yeah German CV's need a buff to their torps otherwise having one on your team is like having 3 ships afk, even worse if the enemy cv can rub more than 2 brain cells together.

[CaptainKreutzer]

7 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

 im wondering how much worse her consistency will be at range.

She has 1.8 sigma similar to GK and FDG.

 

[wot_2016_gunner]

2 ore fa, Tanatoy ha scritto:

In this devblog, we would like to present you two new ships.

Well... new... thanks to the datamines we already new of their existence since a couple of days  so... let's say they are "new" in the sense of "upcoming".

I'm really looking forward to the Ludendorff; i think it's better to go with 12 380mm guns than adding another 457mm ship. We'll see how she develops.

 

 

[x_scheer109_x]

@Tanatoy @Crysantos @MrConway

 

Should the Ludendorff be this mysterious German battleship for coal? Are you serious? I think you can already say that a large part of the community expected something different than a mini-"Kurfürst" on T9.

 

So while the other nations are allowed to have ships like Ohio, Georgia, Thunderer and soon Shikishima, should the German research branch be satisfied with a T9 Kurfürst? Why are you reluctant to add a German battleship with 45 or 50 cm guns to the game? With the other nations this is obviously not a problem at all. Missing data on these guns cannot be because there are:

 

 

The argument about missing blueprints does not pull because this does not prevent you from creating your own fantasy designs without any template. A coal ship should offer something special like the 45.7 cm guns at Thunderer and Georgia. The Ludendorff has nothing particularly that it is worth spending coal on it (no, the torpedoes are not enough). The Ludendorff as a coal ship is just a joke. I would rather publish this ship for free experience as the Missouri and Musashi. Regarding a German battleship for coal, this should be a ship that also offers something special.

 

Edit: Hope the last sentence is now easier to understand.

[Crysantos]

2 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

@Tanatoy @Crysantos @MrConway

 

Should the Ludendorff be this mysterious German battleship for coal? Are you serious? I think you can already say that a large part of the community expected something different than a mini-"Kurfürst" on T9.

 

So while the other nations are allowed to have ships like Ohio, Georgia, Thunderer and soon Shikishima, should the German research branch be satisfied with a T9 Kurfürst? Why are you reluctant to add a German battleship with 45 or 50 cm guns to the game? With the other nations this is obviously not a problem at all. Missing data on these guns cannot be because there are:

 

 

The argument about missing blueprints does not pull because this does not prevent you from creating your own fantasy designs without any template. A coal ship should offer something special like the 45.7 cm guns at Thunderer and Georgia. The Ludendorff has nothing particularly that it is worth spending coal on it (no, the torpedoes are not enough). The Ludendorff as a coal ship is just a joke. I would rather publish this ship for free experience as the Missouri and Musashi and the German battleship for coal tackle again.

Just because currently announced ships don't feature bigger caliber guns, doesn't mean that might not happen in the future. I personally disagree with you why the Ludendorff would be a joke, I think it's actually going to be a nice additional option in between Bismarck and Kurfürst. But that's the beauty of our game, there are plenty of options and you get to decide what you want to get for yourself.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[x_scheer109_x]

7 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

I personally disagree with you why the Ludendorff would be a joke, I think it's actually going to be a nice additional option in between Bismarck and Kurfürst.

Compared to the other battleships available for coal, it is. Because they have at least something special that makes it worthwhile to put this ship in port. At Ludendorff I don't see anything that makes this ship special and that it is worth buying it.

[WolfGewehr]

28 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

Why are you reluctant to add a German battleship with 45 or 50 cm guns to the game?

 

A thing like GK with 8x45 cm might even be a T10 ship, who knows. But the thing is that if the 51 cm/45 Type 98 can't have the correct magnitude of penetration ingame, then I can't personally be excited for any other new "super heavy" guns either.

 

To reverse my point, if Shiki's guns can't be scaled correctly, in terms of penetration power, then those guns in your image won't get correct penetration power either*. Then you'll "only" get the overmatch and shell alpha as bonus.

 

* The 45 cm might, as with same drag and krupp it falls below the Japanese 51 cm, but the 50 cm definitely not.

[x_scheer109_x]

8 minutes ago, WolfGewehr said:

A thing like GK with 8x45 cm might even be a T10 ship, who knows.

An alternative GK with 4x2 45 cm guns would also be my preferred variant. However, you can now write off a German TX Premium battleship for coal ...

[CptBarney]

11 minutes ago, WolfGewehr said:

 

A thing like GK with 8x45 cm might even be a T10 ship, who knows. But the thing is that if the 51 cm/45 Type 98 can't have the correct magnitude of penetration ingame, then I can't personally be excited for any other new "super heavy" guns either.

 

To reverse my point, if Shiki's guns can't be scaled correctly, in terms of penetration power, then those guns in your image won't get correct penetration power either. Then you'll "only" get the overmatch and shell alpha as bonus.

Whats yashimas current pen rates for her fat 510's?

[WolfGewehr]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

Whats yashimas current pen rates for her fat 510's?

 

 

 

At 20 km, if looking at how the 41 cm/45 and 46 cm/45 are scaled ingame, then the 51 cm/45 should have roughly around 600 mm penetration (currently 530 mm).

 

What kind of benefits or problems such power would then bring, I leave up to you to think about.

[Allied_Winter]

22 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

At Ludendorff I don't see anything that makes this ship special and that it is worth buying it.

Don't know ... 12 380's at T9 ... seems spicy to me.

[x_scheer109_x]

2 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

Don't know ... 12 380's at T9 ... seems spicy to me.

Alsace also has to offer in addition to engine boost and Spotter Plane. Nothing special in my eyes.

[HaachamaShipping]

21 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

Compared to the other battleships available for coal, it is. Because they have at least something special that makes it worthwhile to put this ship in port. At Ludendorff I don't see anything that makes this ship special and that it is worth buying it.

Frankly, I can see potential... if the gun angles weren't absolutely atrocious. The broadside weight of the Ludendorff is brutal and for the amount of guns at T9, it is quite accurate. Unlike Alsace, the ship isn't 32 mm all over and has secondaries that pen something. And it gets hydro and torps. If WG don't make it too frustrating in terms of turret angles, I'd totally see potential there. 

[fumtu]

24 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

At Ludendorff I don't see anything that makes this ship special and that it is worth buying it.

 

Well then don't buy it. I doesn't mean that everybody should have same opinion as you. Just because this ship is not what you want to get then it doesn't mean that next one won't be. 

[Allied_Winter]

5 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

Alsace also has to offer in addition to engine boost and Spotter Plane. Nothing special in my eyes.

3 more guns, hydro, KM armour scheme (at least that's what I deduct from Bismarck/Tirpitz/Friedrich)... we'll see how she turns out in testing.

 

Edit cause I can not count...