Soviet Cruisers: Early Access

[wot_2016_gunner]

Oh, btw, guys, this means "USSR Cruisers", in Russian. 

 

"Крейсеры" (Krejsery in Latin alphabet) means "cruisers" in Russian

[Fesvil]

Wow, probably the worst 500 doubloons ever seen.. :-). Well with my luck if I were to invest in these bundles I would get the 700 and the 150 ones as the last 5 bundles :D. Meh, money saved.

 

And once again I bet there won't be any chance of using that "coveted" 25% off doubloon cost on ship coupon. So, money saved there too.

[booimbuu]

5 hours ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

Overall it's fine; there are some issues, but they are basically the same issues of 0.9.2 (EU DDs early acsess)

 

Namely this

 

which is practically the same as this

 

But the rest is fine

 

How is it fine ? the pan euro dd was a waste of time for f2p players and this is a nerfed version of it with the exeption of 1% of players that get 2-3 of the 300 boxes you should if you play atleast 3-4 hours a day during the event  have atleast both the t8-9 im fine they hold back the camo's  but not only drip feeding content that is free just so people will pay for it is not fine at all!

[Mangone]

4 hours ago, Beerwulf said:

Minimum vs average tokens per container

 

The article says that if I get all 60 containers, I'm guaranteed a T5 Premium Mikoyan. The miniumum per container is 5 and 5x60 = 300 = Mikoyan. Fair enough.

 

However, than doesn't tell me what I really need to know.

What is the average number of tokens per container is going to be?,

Specifically, is this enough to reach 1200 for the Tailinn? This is because the real question for this event is whether the player will have to grind the Shchshchors again to get into the branch split. If we knew the different probabilities for collecting 5, 10,15,25 and 300 tokens from a container, then the event would be far more transparent.

 

A second problem I have is that, whilst I don't mind some randomness (or the Shchshchors, for that matter), I dislike that grinding 60 containers will give one player "only" a T5 premium, but the same 60 containers may give another player far, far more. If the token splits were 15,25 and 100, with an equal chance between 15 and 25, it would be far less objectionable. That being said, British CV early was the best organised event in which I've taken an active part.

On PTS i was averaging around 10 tokens in 40ish containers, not sure if its same on live server but this is what i expect +/-600 tokens.

[Warfighter_BG]

I dont see anything about submarines?

[gabberworld]

3 hours ago, GoneFishingAgain said:

Everybody will get T5 "for free" via tokens, but how many will get anything more?

I'm only honestly interested in getting a perma camo if possible - the rest is just bonus.

 

 

in pts server most containers had only 5 token, by looking this way, you will be lucky if you get camo for tallinn ship

[Gnomus]

5 hours ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

Overall it's fine; there are some issues, but they are basically the same issues of 0.9.2 (EU DDs early acsess)

 

Namely this

 

which is practically the same as this

 

But the rest is fine

 

 

No. This is madness.

 

Even with European destroyers whole system was mad gamble, and there distribution was not this horrible.

 

With European destroyers difference between "worst" and "super" was 1:14. Difference between "best" and "super" was 40:140 or 1:3,5. 

 

With Russian cruisers difference between "worst" and "super" was 1:60. I repeat 1 to 60! Difference between "best" and "super" was 1:12.

 

In other words someone can grind every damn container and be left with 300 tokens, or someone else get lucky and first container is 300. This has nothing to do with performance or how much work you put in. This is all about luck. WG could have just randomly decide X number of players who get early access for free and others get nothing.

 

 

Not to mention what they did to those random bundles for doubloons (not that I would touch these even with ten foot pole, but they show how merciless and aggressive WG marketing has become).

 

With European destroyers distribution was 60x 20, 40x 40, 60x 60 and 12x 250 for average of around 67. Difference between "worst" and "best" was 1:12,5, which in itself was hilarious, but at least there was some kind of expected value. For example of player needed 200 tokens, expected value would be 4x1000 doubloon, or it could have cost 10x1000 doubloons if he was very unlucky. 

 

Now look at this abomination that WG have offered us. Distribution 50x 5, 25x 10, 10x 15, 10x 25, 4x 150, 1x 700. Expected value of 22. Difference between "worst" and "best" is 1:140. I repeat 1 to 140!

 

What happens if someone needs 200 tokens? Expected value is 9x500, so not so bad compared (but really needs one of the five 150/700 bundles to drop). In worst case..... He needs 40x500. That is 20 000 doubloons to fulfill little slack on luck on some early access ship. This is horrible gambling system with real money. Half the containers are 5 tokens each, so you can spend 25 000 doubloons, and not even get Mikoyan... Have fun with luck.  

 

This is not fine. This is insane.

 

 

 

With Hamburg dockyard looking goodish (with preliminary data, real thing we see only when it comes on main server) I thought that after long "no money for badly done events and treating players badly and stupid gambling mechanism" I thought that I might be persuaded to give WG 3500 doubloons worth of my money. That just become so much more distant thought because after European destroyers I had hoped WG would come to it's senses. Instead they overdid themselves and managed to take what was wrong in that event and multiply it in order of magnitude.

 

As I said, this is insane!

[Flaky26]

Před 6 hodinami Alners řekl/a:

So Kirov is going to become a Premium ship? When? Already in 9.4?

 Kirov will become premium. But in 0.9.5.

Same as Moskva.

[Spartan_Renegade]

[Sharkywhite]

Crap

 

[Magecraft]

Maybe people can help me I am a little confused (nothing new for me :) ) 

 

I have the Moskva researched but not bought, 

 

1) Do I need to buy the ship or will it just be given to me?

2) Is there any advantage to having the ship when the switch happens?

3) I should leave my captain and all good stuff on my Dm Donskoi as I need to do the grind again for the new ship?

 

My credit situation is fairly low as I have bought a number of ships but have always made sure I had enough for the Moskva.

 

Thanks for any help and info you give!

[Flaky26]

Před 19 minutami Magecraft řekl/a:

1) Do I need to buy the ship or will it just be given to me?

2) Is there any advantage to having the ship when the switch happens?

3) I should leave my captain and all good stuff on my Dm Donskoi as I need to do the grind again for the new ship?

So far as I know:

 

1) No need to buy Moskva (just research). You will recieve it anyway.

2) No. You can sell it and you will still recieve it as a premium (reward ship).

3) Yes. Captain from tech tree Moskva will stay on it after 0.9.5. So you will have captain trained on reward ship and you will have to retrain him to   

    new AL. Nevsky. Leave your captain in Donskoi, gather cca 240k XP and after 0.9.5. is released, research, buy Nevsky and train your captain in to it. And

    you can send him to reward Moskva without retraining.

 

Good luck 

[Andrewbassg]

6 hours ago, Warfighter_BG said:

I dont see anything about submarines?

Nor do I! 

And frankly.. I'm baffled. I mean, WTF?!?

 

[gabberworld]

3 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

Nor do I! 

And frankly.. I'm baffled. I mean, WTF?!?

 

Soviet Cruisers has nothing todo with submarines

[powerverde]

My dear developers: I dont gamble on bits and bytes.
If and when I spend my money, it's because I know what I am buying.

I dont buy the chance to get this or that.

Just the usual FYI.
(last time i spent money in this game was in 2018, ask me why if u want to know...) 

[Andrewbassg]

12 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

Soviet Cruisers has nothing todo with submarines

Well.....hmmm.... if you mean this game and "event"..... then I kinda agree. Otherwise...... lolz?

And actually what outright worries me, is that this event is spread across two patch cycles. Meaning that its possible that subs will enter "normal" randoms after that.

   How about that?

[gabberworld]

3 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

Well.....hmmm.... if you mean this game and "event"..... then I kinda agree. Otherwise...... lolz?

And actually what outright worries me, is that this event is spread across two patch cycles. Meaning that its possible that subs will enter "normal" randoms after that.

   How about that?

they already tell that submarines will be at separate mode, they even tell that also in year 2019. why they should change they minds with 2 weeks when hard work is done already

[Andrewbassg]

1 minute ago, gabberworld said:

they already tell that submarines will be at separate mode, they even tell that also in year 2019. why they should change they minds with 2 weeks when hard work is done already

Forgive me if I have some reservations given their past record. They were doing lately some good steps, in the right direction, but still ....."they have miles to go" so to speak....

[tsounts]

So, we get more soviet bias and gamble boxes, nice, any news on the desync issue? 

[gabberworld]

3 minutes ago, tsounts said:

any news on the desync issue? 

to you even see any huge desync issue yourself? or you just flow with that one  video what posted by cc

[tsounts]

Just now, gabberworld said:

to you even see any huge desync issue yourself? or you just flow with that one  video what posted by cc

Yes I do and so do my clan mates...

[Andrewbassg]

1 hour ago, gabberworld said:

to you even see any huge desync issue yourself? or you just flow with that one  video what posted by cc

Metoo...and a LOTS of it....and...

 

 

That's before the vidz....

[CEOMisza]

What about the consumable change? I mean removing the sandard once and making premium as the standard once?

What about the ranked?

What about the subs? Actually Im happy there is no subs hope it stays like this for as long as possible. 

[Belmassa]

Yeah, more RNG bullcrap than the EU DD event! Exactly what we all wanted... (I mean I'm sure some gambling addicts who haven't passed the denial stage yet are happy with this, as well as WG...)

What's the problem with a slightly grindy but fair event where we ALL have a choice to either grind or pay to skip the grind (or a mix of both depending on how much we're ready to pay/grind).

 

Anyway, looks like I'll just login for the daily rewards and call it a day.

[gabberworld]

35 minutes ago, CEOMisza said:

What about the ranked?

 

ranked spirit? not in 0.9.4

 

36 minutes ago, CEOMisza said:

What about the consumable change? I mean removing the sandard once and making premium as the standard once?

 

comes with 0.9.4

 

36 minutes ago, CEOMisza said:

What about the subs?

 

comes with 0.9.4, it can be that they enable Soviet Cruisers first