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So I had an F. D. Roosevelt in my game... just so you know what to look forward to

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That's 20k damage and a double flood from 7 out of 8 torps...

 

and the rockets if interested

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It also has more bombs in one strike than Midway, the bombs are identical to Midway ones. It's downside - slow planes. Although they have same levels of hp like Auda so... not easy to shoot down.

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Guess what, if that had been a Midway you would have actually taken more damage from the torp strike.

 

FDR as she currently is would make an embarrassing T8 CV.

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1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

Guess what, if that had been a Midway you would have actually taken more damage from the torp strike.

 

FDR as she currently is would make an embarrassing T8 CV.

According to the wiki Midway torps are max around 5k  and 6 drop so 30k in a single strike.

 

Now i know FDR stats are subject to change but Wiki stats around 4.3k max  and 8 drop at once therefore max drop damage would be 35k.

 

 

Even 7/8 deal around 30k. Im confused why do you think this would be bad at tier 8? Are you comparing to the Haku? Which imo is far to strong compared to the other CVs.

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1 hour ago, ironhammer500 said:

Even 7/8 deal around 30k. Im confused why do you think this would be bad at tier 8? Are you comparing to the Haku? Which imo is far to strong compared to the other CVs.

 

A full 8 hits with FDR would deal 33864 damage. A full 6 hits from a Midway deals 30402 damage. The difference is therefore a mere 3462 alpha.

 

However the reason why FDR is severely underpowered is primarily due to the slow planes in combination with the 25 second attack cooldown. This means that in a direct damage comparison a Midway will not only get to a target faster, it will also drop twice in the time a FDR gets a single drop off AND get another strike on the way. So in reality we cannot compare strike vs strike, we must always compare 1x FDR strike to at least 2x Midway strikes, if not 2.5x, at which point FDR just falls woefully behind.

 

Therefore a fair comparison would be that e.g. a full 8 hits from FDR TBs will deal 33864 damage, while 2 drops from Midway TBs will deal 60804 damage. Likewise Lexington TBs will deal 38802 damage under the same conditions. And we haven't even gotten into that taking all 8 torps is an extremely unlikely prospect while taking 6 torps from a Midway or, even better, 3 torps from Lex TBs is much, MUCH more likely.

 

As such FDR as she currently is would be a failure of a CV even at T8.

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Well seems FDR will be another "lazy mans cv" for farming, soo I guess yay? ^^

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rockits are a bit werid, i thought her alpha strike with torps would of been around 10k higher than that of midways to ofset the long cooldown period and same with her rockits.

 

oh well.

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pro tip: stop reversing in JB on the flank, while CV is in the game

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1 hour ago, kfa said:

pro tip: stop reversing in JB on the flank, while CV is in the game

This, any CV seeing that just starts salivating, even a T8 CV...

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8 hours ago, Naval_Hurricane said:

the bombs are identical to Midway ones.

No they are not. Their drop altitude and drop speed is vastly different. 

It is even harder to hit fast ships than with auda bombs. 

 

8 hours ago, _not_so_nice_ said:

and the rockets if interested

Rockets are practically useless almost against anyship,

unless it is a cruiser sailing completely staright or reversing. 

 

as a general consesus without a single opposing opinion among the testers.. 

FDR is completely useless. Every battle I took her into randoms, I've felt I was putting my team into disadvantage just because there is another CV up there.. 

 

Another piece of info, we've went into training room with a full bunch of tier 10 stationary BBs on the opposite site.. 

a midway and an FDR. 

 

we just farmed them aimlessly.. I was in FDR 10km closer to the BBs than the midway. 

In the end, midway had 440K damage, FDR had 294K damage :) 

 

That is.. just... no words.. crap won't cut it.. 

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Vor 6 Minuten, Excavatus sagte:

midway and an FDR.

I was the midway in testing. 

 

Just so you guys know. 

By the time he finished to drop 4 times (FD. R) WITH ONE DB squadron I already finished my 4 drops with dbs and already had another new squad on site. 

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4 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

I was the midway in testing. 

 

Just so you guys know. 

By the time he finished to drop 4 times (FD. R) WITH ONE DB squadron I already finished my 4 drops with dbs and already had another new squad on site. 

you don't have shame so you make fun of a president in wheelchair! 

He can't travel that fast you know!!!

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4 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

A full 8 hits with FDR would deal 33864 damage. A full 6 hits from a Midway deals 30402 damage. The difference is therefore a mere 3462 alpha.

 

However the reason why FDR is severely underpowered is primarily due to the slow planes in combination with the 25 second attack cooldown. This means that in a direct damage comparison a Midway will not only get to a target faster, it will also drop twice in the time a FDR gets a single drop off AND get another strike on the way. So in reality we cannot compare strike vs strike, we must always compare 1x FDR strike to at least 2x Midway strikes, if not 2.5x, at which point FDR just falls woefully behind.

 

Therefore a fair comparison would be that e.g. a full 8 hits from FDR TBs will deal 33864 damage, while 2 drops from Midway TBs will deal 60804 damage. Likewise Lexington TBs will deal 38802 damage under the same conditions. And we haven't even gotten into that taking all 8 torps is an extremely unlikely prospect while taking 6 torps from a Midway or, even better, 3 torps from Lex TBs is much, MUCH more likely.

 

As such FDR as she currently is would be a failure of a CV even at T8.

 

So its a well balanced CV for once as far as the rest of the players is concerned :Smile_trollface:

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Vor 21 Minuten, Excavatus sagte:

 

FDR is completely useless. Every battle I took her into randoms, I've felt I was putting my team into disadvantage just because there is another CV up there.. 

 

 

I share that impression - I guess that ship is just a test of concept, because currently there are too many mechanics that don't work:

 

- the very slow speed means that the planes cannot evade flak at all. So even that high HP means nothing, the planes will not return.

- 25 sec drop-cooldown. The idea is probably that the planes hover over the enemy between the attacks. Same issue - if there is another ship with flak around, the planes will die instantly.

Furthermore the cooldown applies after liftoff too - so if you want to pre-drop, expect several minutes before you can start the first actual attack

- the bombs take 8+ seconds to land. enough for a parking BB to accelerate before the bombs land.

 

So, I expect some changes. :Smile_trollface:

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I love how WeeGee is back at the same problem where it started with the new CVs. They can make it either terrible and worthless or absolutely overpowered and impossible to deal with.

A year passed, a new line, same problem. :D Imagine those poor bastards who are working on it. It is like choosing to die in a fire on in a flood. If I think about it they should give this job to Austrians with their kangaroos. :P

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Looks like garbage.

 

Give it to me nao. 

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What is the reticle shape of the rocket planes? is it the same as Midway's or Lexington HVAR?

 

Also, with FDR it is easy to see WG approach at balancing new CVs.

 

All in all this CV looks to be a complete trash.

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10 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

If I think about it they should give this job to Austrians with their kangaroos. :P

You are there are kangaroos living in wild in Austria?

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16 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

It is like choosing to die in a fire on in a flood.

If only either would stick on carriers like on any other regular ship :fish_palm:

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Now WG just need to scale down all other CV's to the level of the FDR and it might actually be possible that they could fix the biggest issues with CV's...

 

Vor 17 Minuten, Humorpalanta sagte:

If I think about it they should give this job to Austrians with their kangaroos.

It's new to me that Austria is known for kanguroos?

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Vor 8 Minuten, steveraptor sagte:

What is the reticle shape of the rocket planes? is it the same as Midway's or Lexington HVAR?

 

No, it's eliptic but longer than a Kurfürst.

 

As Roosevelt is still in her very first testing round, so beware, lots of things will probably change.

German CVs will come next to test and I expect similar high-altitude bombers. So, nice to test them with the Roosevelt, so these could be better than the Zeppelin this time. :cap_yes:

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11 minutes ago, Echo_519 said:

scale down all other CV's to the level of the FDR and it might actually be possible that they could fix the biggest issues with CV's...

The question is: If all CV's are as "bad" as the FDR appears to be ... who'd play CV's? Who'd spend money on premium CV's?

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21 minutes ago, Greyshark said:

You are there are kangaroos living in wild in Austria?

 

17 minutes ago, Echo_519 said:

It's new to me that Austria is known for kanguroos?

There are, although they are rarely seen. Here is a drawing of one:

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2 hours ago, Excavatus said:

No they are not. Their drop altitude and drop speed is vastly different. 

It is even harder to hit fast ships than with auda bombs. 

 

Rockets are practically useless almost against anyship,

unless it is a cruiser sailing completely staright or reversing. 

 

as a general consesus without a single opposing opinion among the testers.. 

FDR is completely useless. Every battle I took her into randoms, I've felt I was putting my team into disadvantage just because there is another CV up there.. 

 

Another piece of info, we've went into training room with a full bunch of tier 10 stationary BBs on the opposite site.. 

a midway and an FDR. 

 

we just farmed them aimlessly.. I was in FDR 10km closer to the BBs than the midway. 

In the end, midway had 440K damage, FDR had 294K damage :) 

 

That is.. just... no words.. crap won't cut it.. 

Wait, will WG FINALLY release a somewhat balanced CV? Cause it sure sounds like it. FdR could serve as a prototype and base to which all other CVs are balanced against.

That would be nice...

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