CB ratings, expressing perfectly our feelings about CVs

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

 

I know. I just Explained quite alot of this in the other Topic after all. I also know that Yosha is actually not doing this entirely Unintentional. He is Perfectly Happy with People going Wild on Interpretions and Misunderstanding it.....

But its still Impressive how everyone just Interprets their own Viewpoint and entirely Fails to Notice what he Actually said there....

True, He can be trolly at times (also the mega fights between him and senpai el2azer xD). I've noticed that sometimes when i post something (unlike recently i've been flooded with notifications) it usually goes unnoticed lol. Unless it's a question or something more specific.

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

 

Also.

In German every Noun is Capitalized. As well as the Beginning of each Sentence and any Name. Including any Names of Objects and/or the Names of Actions.

Basicly any Word that ends up being the Subject or is refered to as an Object in a Sentence will be Capitalized.

Add to that that English is not my First Language. So I am often not entirely sure if an Action or Description is actually Subject or Object currently.

 

For example. "Running" would generally not be Capitalized even in German. Person X runs to the Shop to get some Milk. "runs" stays small. But "Person X is doing some Running to train his Muscles" should be Written with Capital Letter in German. (Or at least I think that should be the case ^^) Because in this case Running is Named as an Object.

 

At this Point its just a Habit for me to Capitalize Words. And its not really Hurting anyone. So the only People usually even bringing it up is People that try to Find Fault with me on something.

 

Oh i never knew that, i actually never noticed you doing that untill capra bought it up. Do diffierent dialects/regions in germany have slightly different ways of doing things? But i learnt something new anyways.

 

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

Edit:

I am not even sure this Topic will Survive till Tomorrow.

If nothing else. This not getting Derailed is basicly out of the Question xD

True, although it is a sunday so it will get locked on monday in two days time (unless the mods get extra fiesty).

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Pikko is a short-form from my original nick name, and "zoikum", because my normal nickname was in use and I just added something that I like. "zoikum" is actually something that we use in Germany for time perioids. Like Phanerozoic is in german Phanerozoikum. The "um" at the end is a typically ending for german nouns.

 

 

Ahh ok, just me being dumb then as per usual.

 

anyways nun-nights for me! 'w'

[Sunleader]

3 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

True, He can be trolly at times (also the mega fights between him and senpai el2azer xD). I've noticed that sometimes when i post something (unlike recently i've been flooded with notifications) it usually goes unnoticed lol. Unless it's a question or something more specific.

Oh i never knew that, i actually never noticed you doing that untill capra bought it up. Do diffierent dialects/regions in germany have slightly different ways of doing things? But i learnt something new anyways.

 

True, although it is a sunday so it will get locked on monday in two days time (unless the mods get extra fiesty).

 

Uhh. Cant tell you that myself to be Honest. Dialects and Regions here have pretty extensive Differences in Language. Partially having slightly different Grammar and seriously vastly different Words. When some of the Elder Folks here Speak the Full Local Dialect I barely Understand a Word they Say. So I cant rule it out. But then again. I mostly try to stick to High German which is the Commonly used German Language across all of Germany.

[loppantorkel]

8 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

Yes truly pitiful isn't it? 

Many clans were late recruiting the best of the best and are now shafted by not having strong enough CV players to field as no-one expected CVS to enter CB even though it was obvious. 

Now they want them gone of course. As they are feeling the pain of being beaten by clans that never felt the privilege of getting close to hurricane. 

This is the difference it makes having a CV player who knows their crap. By removing the class outright they remove the problem of having the scrap that was left on the market of CV players instead of the better end of the stick. 

 

That's just a theory however :D

As I see it CBs improved by having CVS as it ended to boring stationary campfest of last season

 

10 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

I know. I just Explained quite alot of this in the other Topic after all. I also know that Yosha is actually not doing this entirely Unintentional. He is Perfectly Happy with People going Wild on Interpretions and Misunderstanding it.....

But its still Impressive how everyone just Interprets their own Viewpoint and entirely Fails to Notice what he Actually said there....

 

 

Also.

In German every Noun is Capitalized. As well as the Beginning of each Sentence and any Name. Including any Names of Objects and/or the Names of Actions.

Basicly any Word that ends up being the Subject or is refered to as an Object in a Sentence will be Capitalized.

Add to that that English is not my First Language. So I am often not entirely sure if an Action or Description is actually Subject or Object currently.

 

For example. "Running" would generally not be Capitalized even in German. Person X runs to the Shop to get some Milk. "runs" stays small. But "Person X is doing some Running to train his Muscles" should be Written with Capital Letter in German. (Or at least I think that should be the case ^^) Because in this case Running is Named as an Object.

 

At this Point its just a Habit for me to Capitalize Words. And its not really Hurting anyone. So the only People usually even bringing it up is People that try to Find Fault with me on something.

 

 

Edit:

I am not even sure this Topic will Survive till Tomorrow.

If nothing else. This not getting Derailed is basicly out of the Question xD

...some clans who believe they'll benefit from cvs in CBs will stop at nothing to sidetrack topics concerning cvs, either by straw-manning or making long-winded, convoluted posts with no clear point.

 

That's just a theory however. Feel free to interpret it to your own viewpoint and try not to fail to notice what I actually said here....

[Sunleader]

2 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

 

...some clans who believe they'll benefit from cvs in CBs will stop at nothing to sidetrack topics concerning cvs, either by straw-manning or making long-winded, convoluted posts with no clear point.

 

That's just a theory however. Feel free to interpret it to your own viewpoint and try not to fail to notice what I actually said here....

 

Ok will Interpret it like I want then.

Hear that @Yoshanai I am now Officially considered someone Defending CVs because I want to Protect our Clans Advantage in Clanbattles :)

[loppantorkel]

3 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Hear that @Yoshanai I am now Officially considered someone Defending CVs because I want to Protect our Clans Advantage in Clanbattles :)

It's your defense of Yoshanai's initial post, or 'theory', that can be questioned. I hope you understand the point.

[Perekotypole]

I like this mode for a change. CV is more of utility then damage dealer. Games are less static then usual

[Sunleader]

2 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

It's your defense of Yoshanai's initial post, or 'theory', that can be questioned. I hope you understand the point.

 

There is no Point. Because I never Defended Yosha in the First Place. lol

Its just that after Yoshas Post the First thing I would have Slapped him around his Ears. Is that his whole Argument is Based on CVs being absurdly Overpowered and Broken. Because otherwise his entire remaining Argument makes no Sense whatsoever.

Yet. Nobody here did.

 

You gonna Blame me for it that you Guys didnt Realize the Contradiction in his Statement ?

[loppantorkel]

12 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

There is no Point. Because I never Defended Yosha in the First Place. lol

Its just that after Yoshas Post the First thing I would have Slapped him around his Ears. Is that his whole Argument is Based on CVs being absurdly Overpowered and Broken. Because otherwise his entire remaining Argument makes no Sense whatsoever.

Yet. Nobody here did.

 

You gonna Blame me for it that you Guys didnt Realize the Contradiction in his Statement ?

What contradiction?? I've not seen any argument here that cvs are balanced, which may be what you're alluding to. Yoshas post and argument, or 'theory', was that clans have an ulterior motive for wishing for no cvs. You thought that it was impressive how we all missed what he actually said and how Yosha was happy about everyone misunderstanding... How is this not side tracking the subject? How is this any different from my post toward you? I even made sure to use your own words. It's the same argument.

[Bear__Necessities]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

At this Point its just a Habit for me to Capitalize Words. And its not really Hurting anyone

You might write a load of dross but your grammar/capitalisation of stuff isn’t an issue. 

[ironhammer500]

CVs are just not balanced in CB meta and fact Haku has the highest pick rate it says it all, its not fun to be dropped for 17.5k hp with no way to dodge in a slow battle cruiser, even DM suffers being hit hard despite legendary.

 

DDs are shafted most of the DDs are unplayable.

Anyone who picks BB over CV puts their team at a disadvantage due to the early game spotting.

 

Its just unbalanced. 

 

30 secs into game can gather information on enemy positions

Can strike anywhere and any ship without fearing of losing lots of planes due to having 100+ planes to deplane tier 10.

Deals huge damage to DDs and static cruisers.

Does more spotting then a DD.

 

What is the DDs role in CB now? Caps?

[Erik_Aukan]

9 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

Yes truly pitiful isn't it? 

Many clans were late recruiting the best of the best and are now shafted by not having strong enough CV players to field as no-one expected CVS to enter CB even though it was obvious. 

Now they want them gone of course. As they are feeling the pain of being beaten by clans that never felt the privilege of getting close to hurricane. 

This is the difference it makes having a CV player who knows their crap. By removing the class outright they remove the problem of having the scrap that was left on the market of CV players instead of the better end of the stick. 

 

That's just a theory however :D

As I see it CBs improved by having CVS as it ended to boring stationary campfest of last season

Completely agree. The purple clans don't want any changes to their hegemony. Sure, they got some good CV players, but this is about them wanting them gone, so that can keep doing what they want. 

Clan battles have improved, fights are more dynamic now, and there is longer the campfest that someone apparantly wants.

Yes to fun, no to boring campfests.

[El2aZeR]

13 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Completely agree. The purple clans don't want any changes to their hegemony. Sure, they got some good CV players, but this is about them wanting them gone, so that can keep doing what they want. 

Clan battles have improved, fights are more dynamic now, and there is longer the campfest that someone apparantly wants.

Yes to fun, no to boring campfests.

 

Your narrative is so hilarious I have to question whether you even used your brain before writing down what you just posted.

1. There has been no change in the "hegemony" of purple clans as can be seen by the leaderboard posted previously in this topic. This makes your ludicrous accusation moot.

2. Somehow you seem to be the only one who believes that fights are more dynamic now contrary to the opinions of pretty much every top clan in the high leagues, which raises some questions to say the least. Then again I suppose that could also just be your point of view in Squall/Gale League, but at that point one has to consider whether it is even relevant given the "meta" there.

[Lootboxer]

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Your narrative is so hilarious I have to question whether you even used your brain before writing down what you just posted.

1. There has been no change in the "hegemony" of purple clans as can be seen by the leaderboard posted previously in this topic. This makes your ludicrous accusation moot.

2. Somehow you seem to be the only one who believes that fights are more dynamic now contrary to the opinions of pretty much every top clan in the high leagues, which raises some questions to say the least. Then again I suppose that could also just be your point of view in Squall/Gale League, but at that point one has to consider whether it is even relevant given that the "meta" there.

Meta is the same. You'd been surprised how many Stalins are there  plus Venetias, Hakus, and some fillers like Moscva, Des or odd H4 or Hindy.

Rare single DDs or BBs.

[mcboernester]

 

Don't forget to mention that Unicums also get a special Matchmaking all the time. Really lookin forward to how this thread will develop 

[Animalul2012]

Such ignorance, changing the clan name because of air craft carriers? Someone has to many doubloons laying around or still thinks the CVs are the only unbalanced(cancer,problem call it wherever you want)class/ships in this game! Dont get me wrong they are annoying sometimes to play and to play against it but....

-isnt annoying to fight as a BB against a destroyer that is unseen, specially a torpedo boat,specially a asashio,benham?

-isn t annoying to lost half hp while you are a cruiser by an unseen BB from 20km away?

-isnt blooping annoying as a cv when all the enemies(or just 2 ships) sit in the right same  spot and you can barrely scratch them, and if they are an worcester,minotaur and a halland you are pretty much screwed?

-ISNT ANNOYING SEEING 4-5 SAME SHIPS IN BOTH TEAMS IN THE SO CALLED ,,SKILLED GAME MODES''?(lost of stalingrads,des moines,venezias,abomimations of ohios,kremlins)

-NOSTALIN would have been a better name rather than the NOCV as we all know after this season HAKU and maybe venezia will get the yueyang/henri 4 treatment.

[DFens_666]

45 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Yes to fun, no to boring campfests. 

 

Yeah, totaly no camping going on

 

Wish i would take screenshots more often from those minimaps

[ForlornSailor]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Wish i would take screenshots more often from those minimaps

 

How about this one?

 

 

Or how about this:

 

 

Got quite some of that. Didnt find < 10 km on a first look. Mucho dynamico. Move ahead 30 sec. stop. reverse a little. nobody cares about me? Well im staying here.

[Kartoffelmos]

14 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

-isnt annoying to fight as a BB against a destroyer that is unseen, specially a torpedo boat,specially a asashio,benham?

 

No, because I support my team mates in destroyers/radar cruisers.

 

15 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

-isn t annoying to lost half hp while you are a cruiser by an unseen BB from 20km away?

 

Indeed it is but I curse the unfavourable RNG that befell my ship more than I complain about the class. Well, that is not strictly true, as I loathe the average BB player and their camping playstyle and how they get rewarded by these kind of salvos but that's beside the point.

 

17 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

-isnt blooping annoying as a cv when all the enemies(or just 2 ships) sit in the right same  spot and you can barrely scratch them, and if they are an worcester,minotaur and a halland you are pretty much screwed?

 

No, because that is a blatant lie as long as you do not eat the flak. You can even calculate this in the port or have some of the better CV players in this thread confirm this if you don't believe me.

 

18 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

-ISNT ANNOYING SEEING 4-5 SAME SHIPS IN BOTH TEAMS IN THE SO CALLED ,,SKILLED GAME MODES''?(lost of stalingrads,des moines,venezias,abomimations of ohios,kremlins)

 

And what caused the meta to exclude the other ships, I wonder...

 

19 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

-NOSTALIN would have been a better name rather than the NOCV as we all know after this season HAKU and maybe venezia will get the yueyang/henri 4 treatment.

 

Two wrongs does not make a right and Stalingrad had far less impact than the inclusion of CVs.

[Animalul2012]

1 minute ago, Kartoffelmos said:

 

No, because I support my team mates in destroyers/radar cruisers.

 

 

Indeed it is but I curse the unfavourable RNG that befell my ship more than I complain about the class. Well, that is not strictly true, as I loathe the average BB player and their camping playstyle and how they get rewarded by these kind of salvos but that's beside the point.

 

 

No, because that is a blatant lie as long as you do not eat the flak. You can even calculate this in the port or have some of the better CV players in this thread confirm this if you don't believe me.

 

 

And what caused the meta to exclude the other ships, I wonder...

 

 

Two wrongs does not make a right and Stalingrad had far less impact than the inclusion of CVs.

1-I mean 1 bb vs 1 dd and that dd is asashio/benham do you thing the BB will enjoy the game?

2-You do realize that the more ships the more flak, so much more that it becomes impossible not to eat it and so much AA that you will be lucky to get 1 strike.

3-And what was the meta before cvs? oh yeah crap des moines/somers/stalingrads/ohio/kremlin/salem. And now tell me.. compared to the ships mentioned how often do you see a z-52,yueyang,zao,republique,KHABAROVSK? 

You want a half solution? simple:reward/special/premium ships are banned from any competitive game mode! 

[Kartoffelmos]

12 hours ago, Animalul2012 said:

1-I mean 1 bb vs 1 dd and that dd is asashio/benham do you thing the BB will enjoy the game?

 

This isn't a 1 vs. 1 game so such a scenario is rather silly (all classes have inherent weaknesses to other classes with the "soft exception" of DDs due to their fragility) yet funnily enough, there is one class that can ensure that every engagement is exactly that. The "counterplay" is to group up which leads to the next argument:

 

12 hours ago, Animalul2012 said:

2-You do realize that the more ships the more flak, so much more that it becomes impossible not to eat it and so much AA that you will be lucky to get 1 strike.

 

That would be true if it wasn't for the fact that flak are spawned based on the current positional vector of the planes and thus you will automatically eliminate at least one ship from the equation if you know what you are doing.

 

12 hours ago, Animalul2012 said:

3-And what was the meta before cvs? oh yeah crap des moines/somers/stalingrads/ohio/kremlin/salem. And now tell me.. compared to the ships mentioned how often do you see a z-52,yueyang,zao,republique,KHABAROVSK? 

You want a half solution? simple:reward/special/premium ships are banned from any competitive game mode! 

 

There will always be a handful of ships that are best in slot for every given meta but at least the non-CV competitive scene showed far more variation and tactics. As for the ships you mentioned (and those that were usually rejected), Stalingrad played, as you wrote, a big role in deciding the meta but none of the others. Kremlin might be a bit on the silly side with the absurd tankiness but all the other battleships were viable at some point. Cruisers and destroyers were more specialised but apart from Z-52 (just mediocre these days and a radar YY fulfils much of the same tasks), Khaba (Kleber and bad concealment makes her suboptimal) Hindenburg (not specialised enough) and to a lesser extent Zao (lost her utility to Henri and Venezia), they can all be used. With a carrier in play? Good luck using any ship that isn't extremely durable, have reliable long range performance and/or good AA.

 

Yes, you can remove premium/reward ships to increase the diversity but that will only replace Stalingrad with Moskva (possibly Petropavlosk) and shuffle some other picks around. Removing carriers will have a far larger impact and I do not think that anyone can claim otherwise with a straight face.

[DxN69]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Your narrative is so hilarious I have to question whether you even used your brain before writing down what you just posted.

1. There has been no change in the "hegemony" of purple clans as can be seen by the leaderboard posted previously in this topic. This makes your ludicrous accusation moot.

2. Somehow you seem to be the only one who believes that fights are more dynamic now contrary to the opinions of pretty much every top clan in the high leagues, which raises some questions to say the least. Then again I suppose that could also just be your point of view in Squall/Gale League, but at that point one has to consider whether it is even relevant given the "meta" there.

Totally agree

[DxN69]

55 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

1-I mean 1 bb vs 1 dd and that dd is asashio/benham do you thing the BB will enjoy the game?

2-You do realize that the more ships the more flak, so much more that it becomes impossible not to eat it and so much AA that you will be lucky to get 1 strike.

3-And what was the meta before cvs? oh yeah crap des moines/somers/stalingrads/ohio/kremlin/salem. And now tell me.. compared to the ships mentioned how often do you see a z-52,yueyang,zao,republique,KHABAROVSK? 

You want a half solution? simple:reward/special/premium ships are banned from any competitive game mode! 

Hei prietene, do you realize what was the main reason for this topic? It was NOT about random, it was about COMPETITIVE. So your examples are rather pointless to this discussion ;) 
There will ALWAYS be some ships preferred over others, BUT cvs are not just "other" ships, due to their spotting and hitting capacity. Just see that there are almost no more DDs in the game because of them (I mean in higher leagues, not Squall and Gale)

[Yamato942]

Meta is boring not only beacuse of cvs, cv is OP as always was and always will be, but, do anybody ask why in 3 ships meta are Stalingrad and Venezia. Thats a big problem, maybe even bigger then cv. Stalingrad is stupidly OP since day1 and this cw season show that atleast. That armor and that guns cant be together and be balanced, 24km range with range module, 1000m/s shell velocity and almost 10k AP dmg per shell combined with best armor and hp on all cruisers and even some bbs. Thats the reason why a lot of Stalingrads. Venezia is even more stupid beacuse you can pen at almost all angles which is stupid and smoke to turn 180 when needed and not be blaped by Stalins and Venezia is here beacuse of Stalingrads. But imagine not having Venezias and Stalingrad as is? Then meta bring a lot of other combinations of ships and a lot of diffrent setups even with cv. I mean best AA cruisers Minotour and Worchester cant play not beacuse of CV but beacuse of Stalingrads and Venezias. Dont get me wrong CV cant have place in competetive but its for sure not only reason for this booring meta, after all, look after your cw match, enemy cv never did that much dmg to you, but Stalingrads and Venezias  did using cv spotting. Btw reason why no dds are also that same Venezia crazy SAP and Stalingrads radars and fast shells.

[Bear__Necessities]

32 minutes ago, Yamato942 said:

enemy cv never did that much dmg to you

I dunno. I'm able to rack up 100k plus in Hak fairly consistently (game length depending) and land 25,500k drops at least once or twice a game now. It's stupid. The whole meta is stupid. It's boring and I don't know if I could be arsed to play another season but would do for the benefit of my clan mates.