CB ratings, expressing perfectly our feelings about CVs

[niclasknig]

22 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

Yes truly pitiful isn't it? 

Many clans were late recruiting the best of the best and are now shafted by not having strong enough CV players to field as no-one expected CVS to enter CB even though it was obvious. 

Now they want them gone of course. As they are feeling the pain of being beaten by clans that never felt the privilege of getting close to hurricane. 

This is the difference it makes having a CV player who knows their crap. By removing the class outright they remove the problem of having the scrap that was left on the market of CV players instead of the better end of the stick. 

 

That's just a theory however :D

As I see it CBs improved by having CVS as it ended to boring stationary campfest of last season

Dont be like C. Pete :P

[Floofz]

CV is not the main problem, the main problem is the idioticly toxic ship that is Venezia. Currently seeing 4-5 Venezias per game, if they run in a group of 3 they will kill a Stalingrad from any angle within seconds, chunking 10-20k salvos every 12 seconds. Especially when the CV keeps spotting you at the same time there is no counterplay.

[Malim0o]

6 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

Yes truly pitiful isn't it? 

Many clans were late recruiting the best of the best and are now shafted by not having strong enough CV players to field as no-one expected CVS to enter CB even though it was obvious. 

Now they want them gone of course. As they are feeling the pain of being beaten by clans that never felt the privilege of getting close to hurricane. 

This is the difference it makes having a CV player who knows their crap. By removing the class outright they remove the problem of having the scrap that was left on the market of CV players instead of the better end of the stick. 

 

That's just a theory however :D

As I see it CBs improved by having CVS as it ended to boring stationary campfest of last season

"Improved" ?

When you have something like 3 meta ships ?

Haku,Stalin and Venezia.

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, malimoo said:

"Improved" ?

When you have something like 3 ships meta ?

Haku,Stalin and Venezia.

Is there no other effective lineup at all? If not sounds kinda dull, but then i would probs watch it as a csgo match instead. If you get what i mean.

[Bear__Necessities]

Playing in CB's is just boring. Hak, Stalin and Venizias. Ohhh and the occasional Halland. So much wow. So much variation..... Really improved. Exciting.... makes me really wanna stick around this game... 

[CptBarney]

7 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Playing in CB's is just boring. Hak, Stalin and Venizias. Ohhh and the occasional Halland. So much wow. So much variation..... Really improved. Exciting.... makes me really wanna stick around this game... 

A fun mode for CB's is too protect an Agir that gets continously nerfed till its either ded or the timer runs out.

add's a bit more variety i guess.

 

 

[Malim0o]

8 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Is there no other effective lineup at all? If not sounds kinda dull, but then i would probs watch it as a csgo match instead. If you get what i mean.

From what i know not really but maybe we will see some "new" meta ships soon ?

But atm Stalin and Venezia are rly strong in the current meta.

[Bear__Necessities]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

A fun mode for CB's is too protect an Agir that gets continously nerfed till its either ded or the timer runs out.

add's a bit more variety i guess.

 

 

In all honesty though it's very boring and monotonous playing CV in CB's. I miss playing DD and trying to flank, baiting radar and being able to surprise an enemy. Have knife fights against other DD's and be rewarded for good positioning and spotting etc. 

[Bear__Necessities]

6 minutes ago, malimoo said:

From what i know not really but maybe we will see some "new" meta ships soon ?

But atm Stalin and Venezia are rly strong in the current meta.

O7, 007, SHOTA, PWP, PEEDZ etc are now pretty much all Veniza and 1/2 stalins. Gaishus lot run Midway but that's the only real odd duck but he obviously makes it work. No other comp is either able to out trade or out damage. It's a very stale season on NA. 

[ForlornSailor]

19 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Is there no other effective lineup at all? If not sounds kinda dull, but then i would probs watch it as a csgo match instead. If you get what i mean.

 

Well we did 6x Henri for one evening, it kinda works but a) its much harder the make it work then just sitting around in Stalins and b) Stalin/Venezia combo sill felt stronger overall.

[CptBarney]

Just now, malimoo said:

From what i know not really but maybe we will see some "new" meta ships soon ?

But atm Stalin and Venezia are rly strong in the current meta.

Ahh i see, im guessing CB's are a tier 10 thing only, would be nice to have tier 9 or 8. Maybe tier 1, 2 or 3 for giggles as like a mini clanbattle alongside the big event.

Just now, Bear__Necessities said:

In all honesty though it's very boring and monotonous playing CV in CB's. I miss playing DD and trying to flank, baiting radar and being able to surprise an enemy. Have knife fights against other DD's and be rewarded for good positioning and spotting etc. 

Yeah with only three ships being viable (surprised midway didn't make it too be honest) i'd rather watch paint dry. Even though CSGO has the same weaps, its the different maps, how players react to each individual situation and where they go and what they do, that makes it really interesting.

 

Im surprised DD's aren't more viable, but with that amount of bloody radar im not surprised. I think one guy posted a match with stalins and hakus and it was basically which team loses one ship first and get into camp positions the quickest seemed to win.

 

Maybe weegee should attempt tier 9-7 clan battles to mix it up abit.

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Maybe weegee should attempt tier 9-7 clan battles to mix it up abit.

 

We had T8 a couple of seasons ago, pretty much the same: If you got to higher leagues, it was kiev only setups Not as pronounced as we have now maybe, but executed correctly it was stronger than the traditional cruiser setup, well, because T8 Cruisers stink against Kievs in such a coordinated environement.

Also we had T8 Clanbrawl, with CVs, which was pretty horrible IMO. In a 4x4, the OPness of T8 CVs is even more pronounced, contrary to the 5x5 Brawl on TX, where it felt easier for some reason.

And some time ago we also had 3x3, 9x9, 12x12 () Clanbrawls for TX, T7, T5.....

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

We had T8 a couple of seasons ago, pretty much the same: If you got to higher leagues, it was kiev only setups Not as pronounced as we have now maybe, but executed correctly it was stronger than the traditional cruiser setup, well, because T8 Cruisers stink against Kievs in such a coordinated environement.

Also we had T8 Clanbrawl, with CVs, which was pretty horrible IMO. In a 4x4, the OPness of T8 CVs is even more pronounced, contrary to the 5x5 Brawl on TX, where it felt easier for some reason.

And some time ago we also had 3x3, 9x9, 12x12 () Clanbrawls for TX, T7, T5.....

Oh, didn't even know that. Thanks for the info.

Seems like weegee is either attempting to keep things fresh (and failing at it) or has no ruddy clue what it wants the clan battles to be.

 

Think they should use my Agir game mode and 20v20 format too make it a bit more spicy.

Maybe they should bring back that bastion mode i've heard recently about to reduce camping

[Dutchy_2019]

4 hours ago, Floofz said:

CV is not the main problem, the main problem is the idioticly toxic ship that is Venezia. Currently seeing 4-5 Venezias per game, if they run in a group of 3 they will kill a Stalingrad from any angle within seconds, chunking 10-20k salvos every 12 seconds. Especially when the CV keeps spotting you at the same time there is no counterplay.

 

Statsbloke on his stream last night discussed it. The general opinion there seemed to come down to:

 

 

- CV's problem in Clan Battles is that it is basically perma-spotting everything. Not having a CV is a massive disadvantage.

- CV's presence also eliminates the DD's from the game.

 

- Venezias only appeared beause of the CV + all Stalingrad line-ups had to be countered. And arguably the CV + all Stalingrad line-ups were the direct result of the CV being part of the game.

 

 

[loppantorkel]

25 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Im surprised DD's aren't more viable, but with that amount of bloody radar im not surprised. ...

I sort of assume cvs are the bigger issue in making dds unviable. Funny how one class becomes obsolete in 'high' competitive games when cvs are present. What does WG think of this? Acceptable class balance?

[Pikkozoikum]

16 minutes ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

- CV's presence also eliminates the DD's from the game.

I think it's more the combination of CV + Radar. CV alone wouldn't be an issue, but both together is overkill

[CptBarney]

16 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

I sort of assume cvs are the bigger issue in making dds unviable. Funny how one class becomes obsolete in 'high' competitive games when cvs are present. What does WG think of this? Acceptable class balance?

Yeah i was half fumbling with my model while typing that. Im just glad im not the person who has to balance that, don't think i would stop trying even if they told me otherwise too be honest.

[El2aZeR]

25 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

I think it's more the combination of CV + Radar. CV alone wouldn't be an issue, but both together is overkill

 

Except previous seasons were played with radar and it was just fine.

Thus CVs are the issue, not radar.

[Sunleader]

You Guys do Realize that Yoshas Point could effectively be Summed up as "CVs are so Incredible Broken and Overpowered that any Clan without a Good CV Player has no Chance in CBs" right ?

 

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

You Guys do Realize that Yoshas Point could effectively be Summed up as "CVs are so Incredible Broken and Overpowered that any Clan without a Good CV Player has no Chance in CBs" right ?

 

Yeah, but its just how you word it. Also the brain (similar to a computer) will refer to previous experiences and information regarding the profile or data of something they have encountered before, hense the hostility and misinterpretation of his message.

 

Dunno why i felt the need to type that but still.

 

Also i notice what capra means you do capitlize most of your words. How odd never knew they did that with german (only learnt a week of it in school was better at it than french lol).

[Ozunix]

Ok that's a lot of [edited] in this topic...

 

First, a little warning, I'm talking about my point of view and personal experience. I dont talk for every NOCAP members...

 

CV's used to my main class by far. And I've never claimed to be alowed to play them in CB. 

Why ? Because the class used to be busted with almost infinit skill cap.

Now, even if I dont really play CV's anymore, I know this point have not change enough.

 

New CV's are not as strong as older CV, but we are far away from balance. 

 

You can't be serious and objective when you are CV main who just want to start a drama around you. 
If people who complain about CV bashing were right, the top 5 of EU would have change.

And we still have the same top in CB as usual.

 

New clan are stronger ? This make me laugh. Top clans wont be bad because of CV's in CB, they just will be borded in one or two more seasons.

(And I didn't talk about full Staline meta witch is really toxic for dudes who start competitive gameplay or dont like the ship...)

 

 

[Pikkozoikum]

10 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Yeah, but its just how you word it. Also the brain (similar to a computer) will refer to previous experiences and information regarding the profile or data of something they have encountered before, hense the hostility and misinterpretation of his message.

 

Dunno why i felt the need to type that but still.

 

Also i notice what capra means you do capitlize most of your words. How odd never knew they did that with german (only learnt a week of it in school was better at it than french lol).

nouns are capitalized

[CptBarney]

Just now, Pikkozoikum said:

nouns are capitalized

Ahh i thought you were polish cus of the name...lol i've probs imagined half the forumites in werid parts of the world at this point.

Silly me, anyways will stop since im derailing the thread. Whoops.

[Sunleader]

18 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Yeah, but its just how you word it. Also the brain (similar to a computer) will refer to previous experiences and information regarding the profile or data of something they have encountered before, hense the hostility and misinterpretation of his message.

 

Dunno why i felt the need to type that but still.

 

Also i notice what capra means you do capitlize most of your words. How odd never knew they did that with german (only learnt a week of it in school was better at it than french lol).

 

I know. I just Explained quite alot of this in the other Topic after all. I also know that Yosha is actually not doing this entirely Unintentional. He is Perfectly Happy with People going Wild on Interpretions and Misunderstanding it.....

But its still Impressive how everyone just Interprets their own Viewpoint and entirely Fails to Notice what he Actually said there....

 

 

Also.

In German every Noun is Capitalized. As well as the Beginning of each Sentence and any Name. Including any Names of Objects and/or the Names of Actions.

Basicly any Word that ends up being the Subject or is refered to as an Object in a Sentence will be Capitalized.

Add to that that English is not my First Language. So I am often not entirely sure if an Action or Description is actually Subject or Object currently.

 

For example. "Running" would generally not be Capitalized even in German. Person X runs to the Shop to get some Milk. "runs" stays small. But "Person X is doing some Running to train his Muscles" should be Written with Capital Letter in German. (Or at least I think that should be the case ^^) Because in this case Running is Named as an Object.

 

At this Point its just a Habit for me to Capitalize Words. And its not really Hurting anyone. So the only People usually even bringing it up is People that try to Find Fault with me on something.

 

 

Edit:

I am not even sure this Topic will Survive till Tomorrow.

If nothing else. This not getting Derailed is basicly out of the Question xD

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

Ahh i thought you were polish cus of the name...lol i've probs imagined half the forumites in werid parts of the world at this point.

Silly me, anyways will stop since im derailing the thread. Whoops.

Pikko is a short-form from my original nick name, and "zoikum", because my normal nickname was in use and I just added something that I like. "zoikum" is actually something that we use in Germany for time perioids. Like Phanerozoic is in german Phanerozoikum. The "um" at the end is a typically ending for german nouns.