Chat Ban Rules

[HassenderZerhacker]

1 minute ago, Captain_Breeze said:

We just have your word for this and WG don't have this written down in the public domain. Not trying to say your word is wrong in anyway, just that you are not WG.

 

Spamming F keys could cause a chat ban, could it not?

well, above you have the statement "no chat, no ban"

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said:

Spamming F keys could cause a chat ban, could it not?

Yes, as I said.

But you need to write a ticket for that, as normal ingame reports are not counted, unless you type someting in chat.

[Captain_Breeze]

OK @ColonelPete, cheers.

 

[Captain_Breeze]

So, to recap, I will disable my chat once I have served my latest ban.

 

And if I get banned again after that, then I smell a rat.

 

I mean, the chat policing is not perfect in any way, but it would be good if WG just explained how it all works, and perhaps tell me how close I am to a yearly ban or even an outright ban.

 

And for people on a 3 day ban to be told when that will escalate to a 1 week ban etc.

 

And it would also be nice to know how close you are from being banned, before you are banned so that each person can dial in, his or her behaviour.

 

Ha ha ha, even better would be a dial with a needle like a cars rev counter showing how close to bans we are....

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said:

Ha ha ha, even better would be a dial with a needle like a cars rev counter showing how close to bans we are....

As I said, people would game the system.

They would behave like lunatics until close to getting banned and then behave like angels, until they can start anew.

[MementoMori_6030]

I was torped TWICE by "friendly cruisers" last game. I was the ONLY DD (T8) in the game (T10). They were way behind me. They killed 90% of my health. I tell you, I was sooo close to sending friendly messages via chat... but well, T10 is idiot country nowadays, don't expect anything else. 

[Captain_Breeze]

17 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They would behave like lunatics until close to getting banned and then behave like angels, until they can start anew.

Hey man, just trying to lighten the mood dude, there was a laughing emogi to help you there. Not everything needs to be serious. 

 

[Captain_Breeze]

13 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I was torped TWICE by "friendly cruisers" last game. I was the ONLY DD (T8) in the game (T10). They were way behind me. They killed 90% of my health. I tell you, I was sooo close to sending friendly messages via chat... but well, T10 is idiot country nowadays, don't expect anything else. 

I hear you man. 

[wilkatis_LV]

4 hours ago, Captain_Breeze said:

Where are the rules or guidelines regarding chat bans? 

I don’t think such a list has been published. From... *khm* testing the system:

• 24h ban is issued automatically due to reports for “misbehaviour is chat”. Karma actually seems to have slight impact on just how many reports you’d need. After the ban is “confirmed” for you (basically you reach that report threshold) your next message will still be sent, and then the 24h timer starts counting from it.
• I’ve seen only one case where it looked like a 3 day ban was auto-issued, can’t confirm
• Typically anything 3 days or longer is issued manually. Someone submits a complaint about you, typically providing screens / replays aswell. Your chat logs get checked & a decision is made. These bans will start ticking down as soon as they’re applied, hence why you can often find yourself in a position where you open the game and the 1st thing you see is the chatban notification in port. These may take multiple days sonce the incident to be applied, for obvious reasons. Usually comes with description alike “avoiding chat filter”
• Thing is, after your 1st manual confirmation any more reports from players are not necessary. WG has a... “bot” (for the lack of a better term for it) that scans through previous offenders chatlogs for “this may not be nice” phrases to highlight. Then those highlights get reviewed and you may get yet another ban issued. But not all phrases have to swearing - as an example WG doesn’t like if you refer to IJN ships as Jap ships because “jap” is derogatory term in US or something like that
• Ban lenght typically follows logical progression 3d -> 7d -> 2w -> 3w and so on. Any stage can be repeated multiple times before moving on to the next one. 24h automated ban is an outlayer as you can get that at any time in the middle between any 2 other durations

 

As a sidenote, I wonder if in a bit over a years time WG have got off their sterns and fixed the text colour issues. Guess no, huh?

[Captain_Breeze]

4 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

I don’t think such a list has been published. From... *khm* testing the system:

• 24h ban is issued automatically due to reports for “misbehaviour is chat”. Karma actually seems to have slight impact on just how many reports you’d need. After the ban is “confirmed” for you (basically you reach that report threshold) your next message will still be sent, and then the 24h timer starts counting from it.
• I’ve seen only one case where it looked like a 3 day ban was auto-issued, can’t confirm
• Typically anything 3 days or longer is issued manually. Someone submits a complaint about you, typically providing screens / replays aswell. Your chat logs get checked & a decision is made. These bans will start ticking down as soon as they’re applied, hence why you can often find yourself in a position where you open the game and the 1st thing you see is the chatban notification in port. These may take multiple days sonce the incident to be applied, for obvious reasons. Usually comes with description alike “avoiding chat filter”
• Thing is, after your 1st manual confirmation any more reports from players are not necessary. WG has a... “bot” (for the lack of a better term for it) that scans through previous offenders chatlogs for “this may not be nice” phrases to highlight. Then those highlights get reviewed and you may get yet another ban issued. But not all phrases have to swearing - as an example WG doesn’t like if you refer to IJN ships as Jap ships because “jap” is derogatory term in US or something like that
• Ban lenght typically follows logical progression 3d -> 7d -> 2w -> 3w and so on. Any stage can be repeated multiple times before moving on to the next one. 24h automated ban is an outlayer as you can get that at any time in the middle between any 2 other durations

Thanks @wilkatis_LV, that's exactly what I was looking for.

 

Can you also shed some light on once you have been a repeat offender like me (getting 4 week bans), and wish to stop this mad journey to my next ban. How long can I reasonably play, for my chat to stop being monitored?

 

Cheers 

[wilkatis_LV]

7 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said:

Can you also shed some light on once you have been a repeat offender like me (getting 4 week bans), and wish to stop this mad journey to my next ban. How long can I reasonably play, for my chat to stop being monitored?

Honestly, no idea. I’m currently... probably in like 5th consecutive 3-week-er with no more than couple days between those 

As long as you don’t use your chat for anything more than 100% constructive comments like “lets cap A” or “we should push” you should be safe. As soon as you put in anything more than that - you’re at the risk of WG deemin you unfitting for the typing priviliges

[1MajorKoenig]

24 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Honestly, no idea. I’m currently... probably in like 5th consecutive 3-week-er with no more than couple days between those 

As long as you don’t use your chat for anything more than 100% constructive comments like “lets cap A” or “we should push” you should be safe. As soon as you put in anything more than that - you’re at the risk of WG deemin you unfitting for the typing priviliges

 

Welcome back dude 

[Captain_Breeze]

19 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

As long as you don’t use your chat for anything more than 100% constructive comments like “lets cap A” or “we should push” you should be safe.

That's what I'm afraid of.

 

I can't help but think that other people reporting you in game once you are a marked man, will get you a ban.

 

Therefore you don't even need to chat. If you play well for example an enemy player could report you just cause you killed them.

This is why I want to disable my chat and see if I get a ban. If I do and my chat was disabled, then that would be unfair and I could then have a word with WG about this.

 

Cheers again @wilkatis_LV 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

10 hours ago, Captain_Breeze said:

I mean, the chat policing is not perfect in any way, but it would be good if WG just explained how it all works, and perhaps tell me how close I am to a yearly ban or even an outright ban.

The whole system is [result of the digestive process]. You can get chat banned for calling people [vegetable names] or [commonly known expression for not intelligent people], which in most cases is 100% accurate. At the same time they allow clan tags that are blatantly far right (perhaps because 3rd reich is historically accurate for this naval battle game) and user accounts (also known as player names) that wish jews to die. Same goes for clan tags and clan names, as well as player names, that include words like 'blyat' which mean [female person who offers sex for money] and 'cyka' which is a more or less universal word for [the english f-word] or a term to describe a [usually female person with low self-esteem that is easy to have sex with or acts in a degrading way] and both combined are one of the most harsh insults to russian people and considered extremely offensive.

In the end there are no defined rules or they are interpreted depending on the mood of a person who handles this stuff. It is also pretty obviuos that you can do whatever you want,  such as griefing, team-killing, sabotaging the game, lose on purpose, use the aforementioned offensive clan names, tags and player name as long as you don't call anyone a vegetable.

Of course a WG staff person will show up and tell us this is not true, they take it soooo serious and blabla, but look at the evidence you see on a daily basis in the game, look at the insulting clan names, tags and player names that are around for months and years and nobody gives a [result of the digestive process] about it and if you complain they tell you to use the usually not working ticket system and you never hear back from them but see the players in question continue to play the game in the exatly same way with the exactly same offensive clan names.

Bottom line, do whatever you want but don't every use the chat or you are [insert english f-word here]ed.

 

 

NOTE:

Expressions in […] are to avoid another forum warning, because it is forbidden to say these words for the reason you know, game is rated for 7+ years and the poor kids need to be protected from things like vegetables and other evil things.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Stunde, ThePurpleSmurf sagte:

'blyat' which mean [female person who offers sex for money]

Doesn't that mean "excrement"? I think the word you were referring to starts with a "k"...  But my knowledge of orc language is limited, oc.

[wilkatis_LV]

27 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Doesn't that mean "excrement"? I think the word you were referring to stars with a "k"...  But my knowledge of orc language is limited, oc.

No no, he’s right. Actually, just generally in russian “excrement” isn’t used like in english. 
But if I’m guessing the “k” word correctly (I mean there are multiple options) that’s more or less simply a ruder version

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 17 Minuten, wilkatis_LV sagte:

No no, he’s right. Actually, just generally in russian “excrement” isn’t used like in english. 
But if I’m guessing the “k” word correctly (I mean there are multiple options) that’s more or less simply a ruder version

Thanks for the clarification! 

[Captain_Breeze]

2 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

The whole system is [result of the digestive process]. You can get chat banned for calling people [vegetable names] or [commonly known expression for not intelligent people], which in most cases is 100% accurate. At the same time they allow clan tags that are blatantly far right (perhaps because 3rd reich is historically accurate for this naval battle game) and user accounts (also known as player names) that wish jews to die. Same goes for clan tags and clan names, as well as player names, that include words like 'blyat' which mean [female person who offers sex for money] and 'cyka' which is a more or less universal word for [the english f-word] or a term to describe a [usually female person with low self-esteem that is easy to have sex with or acts in a degrading way] and both combined are one of the most harsh insults to russian people and considered extremely offensive.

In the end there are no defined rules or they are interpreted depending on the mood of a person who handles this stuff. It is also pretty obviuos that you can do whatever you want,  such as griefing, team-killing, sabotaging the game, lose on purpose, use the aforementioned offensive clan names, tags and player name as long as you don't call anyone a vegetable.

Of course a WG staff person will show up and tell us this is not true, they take it soooo serious and blabla, but look at the evidence you see on a daily basis in the game, look at the insulting clan names, tags and player names that are around for months and years and nobody gives a [result of the digestive process] about it and if you complain they tell you to use the usually not working ticket system and you never hear back from them but see the players in question continue to play the game in the exatly same way with the exactly same offensive clan names.

Bottom line, do whatever you want but don't every use the chat or you are [insert english f-word here]ed.

 

Thanks for that mate, and I concur. All I'm after is more clarity, some sort of written rules or guide lines which to abide by, but you certainly have a point there matey, cheers.

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

The whole system is [result of the digestive process]. You can get chat banned for calling people [vegetable names] or [commonly known expression for not intelligent people], which in most cases is 100% accurate. At the same time they allow clan tags that are blatantly far right (perhaps because 3rd reich is historically accurate for this naval battle game) and user accounts (also known as player names) that wish jews to die. Same goes for clan tags and clan names, as well as player names, that include words like 'blyat' which mean [female person who offers sex for money] and 'cyka' which is a more or less universal word for [the english f-word] or a term to describe a [usually female person with low self-esteem that is easy to have sex with or acts in a degrading way] and both combined are one of the most harsh insults to russian people and considered extremely offensive.

Then report them!

If nobody does that, nothing happens.

[TheBrut3]

20 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

No chat, no ban.

False. Reports for misbehaviour in chat will result in a chatban, even if you don't chat.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, TheBrut3 said:

False. Reports for misbevaiour in chat will result in a chatban, even if you don't chat.

Nope.

[Blechhaube]

@Captain_Breeze just take your pride in being chat banned. swearing is part of human conversation. That does not mean you have to insult other people!!! Sometimes  the chat ban hits the correct people with hot temper. But sometimes it goes all wrong. For example: using the word oxymoron can get you chat banned at least in World of Tanks. watch here:

Spoiler

 

in case you wonder what oxymoron means look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

Since I am a fan of arguments based on evidence I can't help to showcase you this: swearing helps to reduce some pain. look here:

Spoiler

https://www.wired.com/story/the-science-of-why-swearing-physically-reduces-pain/

some game experience is simply pain on a variety of scale. but wargaming staff members would never admit it. they say it is a feature of random battles.

[Gnolfus]

As far as I know, automatic chat bans will only give you 24h bans. Possibly more after that if a concurrent auto chat ban happens within X amount of time.

 

Anything beyond that (R in the log for repeated offenses) means that someone at WG watched your chat logs and decided that you've been a bad boy. The chat ban durations seem strange, people here talk about 1 month bans, while I have only recieved 3 day chat bans. This has happened several times by now, sometimes within the same week, so "repeat offenses" don't seem to count. Maybe it depends on the mood and disposition of whatever WG guy that swings the hammer that day, or they categorize what you're saying by degree of naughtiness and give out a penalty based on that. I mostly write banter (what I would classify it as anyway), taunt and get salty over CVs, and more rarely complain about our teams. Never really do personal attacks though, it's always along the lines of "This flank is a f-ing clown fest" or "DAD LOOK I CLICKED ROCKET PLANES THEY GO POOF SHIP IS BURNING" . Maybe that is it?

[Captain_Breeze]

37 minutes ago, Blechhaube said:

That does not mean you have to insult other people!!!

Ah, sorry bud, but you assume I insult others. Perhaps I'm not actually doing that, but am using swear words, but not in the way you think.

 

I'm Scottish and a lot of people in our culture swear a lot, but is not intended as an insult but in fact is used to emphasize things, such as pointing out something, e.g shoot that effing ship/CV etc, or get that effing cap......those examples are not in any way insulting to the individual but imo, deemed appropriate to highlight something prudent that may need fast action.

 

Being Scottish does not in any way allow me to behave differently from the majority, but it does explain the way I conduct myself. Other people get offended by this no doubt, but the fact that someone is offended, does not make them necessarily correct.

 

Obviously I have tried to cool it down, but I'm only human. At the same time, you must admit some people are easy to offend.

 

Whatever, at the end of the day, we are all different, if I get banned, then so be it, it's not your problem.

[Captain_Breeze]

51 minutes ago, Blechhaube said:

in case you wonder what oxymoron means look here

Just cause I swear, does not make me ignorant.