[Poll] Will you buy new IJN Tier X DD "Hayate" for 2M "FreeXP" ?

[Jvd2000]

On 4/30/2020 at 7:09 PM, Mokolotivet1 said:

2 mill free xp is to much. Will never buy a ship to that price unless it can fly, sub, OP in every aspect of the game, clean my house and making me dinner every day

You are talking about the new sekret Russian tier x DD? Because it wil be able to do this, and more.....

[BlackFish__]

Even if I had 2N Free XP I would use it for resetting three lines for double research points. The three legendary modules that you can buy for that, (thus making three T10 ships competitive) is much more valuable to me than a Hayate or any premium ship unless it's brokenly overpowered even more so than Smolensk. 

[lossi_2018]

The no's are devastating I think. It speaks volumes to where the playerbase  truly is and where WG thinks

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 2 Minuten, lossi_2018 sagte:

The no's are devastating I think. It speaks volumes to where the playerbase  truly is and where WG thinks

The playerbase has one problem and it's the unwillingness of git gud. 

 

Hayate is fine but requires training and experience. 

And noone wants to commit to learning these days. The ship has to work without effort but at the same time it's not allowed to be OP. 

 

Reality check:Easy to use usually goes hand in hand with being OP. 

[CptBarney]

51 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

The playerbase has one problem and it's the unwillingness of git gud. 

 

Hayate is fine but requires training and experience. 

And noone wants to commit to learning these days. The ship has to work without effort but at the same time it's not allowed to be OP. 

 

Reality check:Easy to use usually goes hand in hand with being OP. 

*nervously sweats*

 

dont touch miss hosho or georgia! ‘W’

 

*sweats*

[Spartan_93]

7 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

The playerbase has one problem and it's the unwillingness of git gud. 

 

Hayate is fine but requires training and experience. 

And noone wants to commit to learning these days. The ship has to work without effort but at the same time it's not allowed to be OP. 

 

Reality check:Easy to use usually goes hand in hand with being OP. 

There should be a fair and balanced relation between the pricetag and the performance of the ship. And remember, it is just a specialship and not a premiumship. It has just standard-income and no premium-income.

 

So there a two possibilities:

1. For a 2.000.000 free Xp pricetag, the ship have to be very strong (but for me it seems just like a hybrid with average stats).
2. For this stats the pricetag has to be lower.

Of course you can make it work, and it might work quite well, but there is no point, what makes this ships that special that this pricetag is justified.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, Spartan_93 sagte:

There should be a fair and balanced relation between the pricetag and the performance of the ship. And remember, it is just a specialship and not a premiumship. It has just standard-income and no premium-income.

 

So there a two possibilities:

1. For a 2.000.000 free Xp pricetag, the ship have to be very strong (but for me it seems just like a hybrid with average stats).
2. For this stats the pricetag has to be lower.

Of course you can make it work, and it might work quite well, but there is no point, what makes this ships that special that this pricetag is justified.

I agree with you. It makes sense the way you describe it. 

 

But if you for example made Hayate stronger as she is currently then she would likely fall under the OP category and selling OP usually is not okay. So it's difficult right? 

To make a ship expensive and balanced is always difficult. 

Many ask "why buy for such a price?" 

 

And the thing is that it's not required at all to get her. The fact that Hayate isn't op helps in the decision not to buy and that leaves only the players interested in her like me for example to get her. We who got her are mostly praising her since she matched our expectations. 

For me personally she was worth the 2m free XP. 

[ImTryingButYouDontHelp]

750K for a Missouri or a Musashi, and now 2M for a DD? No thanks. This southamerican inflation doesn't fits with me.

[CptBarney]

15 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

I agree with you. It makes sense the way you describe it. 

 

But if you for example made Hayate stronger as she is currently then she would likely fall under the OP category and selling OP usually is not okay. So it's difficult right? 

To make a ship expensive and balanced is always difficult. 

Many ask "why buy for such a price?" 

 

And the thing is that it's not required at all to get her. The fact that Hayate isn't op helps in the decision not to buy and that leaves only the players interested in her like me for example to get her. We who got her are mostly praising her since she matched our expectations. 

For me personally she was worth the 2m free XP. 

I think its mainly due to her being a DD and big ships costing under 1mil at tier 9, so they probs expected 1,5mil-1.75mil for BB's. 1.25mil for battlecruisers and supercruisers. 1mil for heavy and light cruisers. and 750k for dd's.

Although i think friesland was sold for near 1mil, but usually people would assume fat ship, lots o moneh to buy her.

 

Also trying to make shigure cheap so you can get her easier.

[Maris_Piper]

Looking at the Free XP ships on sale at the moment Other than Alaska/Nelson  which I already have I don't want any of them, Over Priced, Over Rated and Inferior springs to the for in my humble opinion, it's getting like that in the premium shop a few gems now and then but a lot of turds thrown in on the off chance of someone having a Brain Fart like I did with the Cheshire and buying it, But Each to Their Own as they say 

[Dutchy_2019]

It all depends on how long it will be available:

 

Current priorities:

 

1. Alaska 

2a. Friesland 

2b. Nelson

4, Smaland

5a Azuma

5b Hayate

 

And all that depends on what else will come by.

[Belustigungspanda]

Before i look at the stats and the price tag of a certain premium/special ship, i take a more important look: I check whether or not i actually want/need/could make use of this vessel.

• I got Missouri because it was the ideal captain trainer for my USA BBs.
• I got Nelson because it was the ideal captain trainer for my ENG BBs.
• I got Musashi because it was the ideal captain trainer for my JAP BBs.
• I got Kronshtadt because it was the ideal captain trainer for my SOV CAs. (BBs hadn't been released back then.)

However, that's where it ends. So far, i haven't gotten...

• Alaska: I think it's a really good ship, but i already have Salem.
• Azuma: I already have ARP Takao and all the ARP Myoko sisters.
• Friesland: I hesitated buying it and i think i was right. It's just not the ideal captain trainer for the actual pan-european DD line.
• Smaland: Would be a better fit than Friesland, but it's very costly and in the current meta, i don't fancy playing high tier DDs that much...

With Hayate, it's quite similar: I already have two very good JAP premium DDs (Kamikaze R, Shinonome) for the torpedo focused line and they also work quite acceptable for my Harugumo captain. Having nearly 4m fxp stockpiled, i could get several fxp ships instantly...but i just don't think that i actually need or want them that badly...

[300ConfirmedKills]

Vor 1 Stunde, Spartan_93 sagte:

There should be a fair and balanced relation between the pricetag and the performance of the ship. And remember, it is just a specialship and not a premiumship. It has just standard-income and no premium-income.

 

So there a two possibilities:

1. For a 2.000.000 free Xp pricetag, the ship have to be very strong (but for me it seems just like a hybrid with average stats).
2. For this stats the pricetag has to be lower.

Of course you can make it work, and it might work quite well, but there is no point, what makes this ships that special that this pricetag is justified.

That attitude is not compatible with a free to win game. The performance of all interchangeable ships must be equal overall, regardless of price or how they are obtained.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

According to "ProShips.ru" from today:

 

https://proships.ru/stat/eu/s/99999-

 

• Hayate = 362 unique Player IDs (i.e. increase of just 65 for past 2 days)

 

 

BTW,  the "WoWs Stats & Numbers" list just 885 (Random) battles in her (i.e increase of just 302 battles in past 2 days):

 

https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3760076496,Hayate/

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Yedwy]

7 hours ago, 300ConfirmedKills said:

That attitude is not compatible with a free to win game. The performance of all interchangeable ships must be equal overall, regardless of price or how they are obtained.

It is compatible, you can make a ship appealing and balanced at the sams time, you just make it strong in other areas, if the premium ships foe instance had 300% permanent income bonus (instead of 50%) permanent double first battle of the day bonus (twice as much as any silver ship at that time including in events) maybe a small coal bounty as first match (say 100 coal for first win or similar) and/or real freexp multiplier (for instance 300% or so) they would be VERY appealing to buy and play even if balanced or even slightly weaker then tree ships

[300ConfirmedKills]

The economic usefulness of a ship is distinct aspect from its performance in battle. Of course it is acceptable and appropriate to base the price of in-game content on its economic effect.

[Allied_Winter]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

they would be VERY appealing to buy and play even if balanced or even slightly weaker then tree ships

Yes and no. Personally I couldn't care less about any economy benefits of a premium ship. If it's weak, it's not appealing.

 

On top comes ... let's take the Nagato, make it a tiny bit worse (e.g. 2s longer reload, a bit worse AA) but give her a +150% credit bonus, double the daily win bonus and +200% FXP. Not only would that impact the already volatile ingame economy in a bad way, but - should WG introduce something like that - also increase the price asked by WG for such a premium ship. Think of a combination of weak premium ship (in terms of game stats) + Kobayashi camo (to gain an ingame economy boost). And which player would buy such a ship? Usually those that are used to spend money on WG products in the first place. First time buyers or F2P players that are on the verge of buying their first premium ship to alleviate their credit issue would probably not spend the 45+ € that I'd think WG would ask for such a ship. 

 

That would only be "viable" among those that already have spend money ... and that are usually these players that don't have credit/XP issues in the first place ...

 

So yeah ... I doubt that such a concept would be viable for a premium ship. Which leaves us with: Make it interesting or stronger.

[Yedwy]

Which leaves us with make it either must have collectible (neccesitates to be historic and relevant in that regard) or simply broken leadinf to powercreep... 

[HystericalAccuracy]

2 hours ago, Allied_Winter said:

I doubt that such a concept would be viable for a premium ship. Which leaves us with: Make it interesting or stronger.

The last sentence gave me the following idea: swap Shima and Hayate. Will ofc not happen but:

 

Hayate would be a good torpedo-boat and could choose between smoke and torpedo-reload, like the previous ships of the line - while also having two racks of torps like them. As a TX it would need "something" and that would be the faster reloading guns.

 

Shima on the other hand can not take torp reload which already sets it apart from the tech-tree and is a usual trade-off many freemiums have (like the "no hydro+radar combo" on Salem); so are the slow reloading guns. With its three quintuple torpedo-racks it is special and desirable enough for everyone who likes that play-style.

And historically... Shima was built, it was a one-off ship and served (yes, me and history ).

Would i spend 2mil on the Freemium-Shima?

 

A spontaneous thought, feel free to demolish it 

[Allied_Winter]

7 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

As a TX it would need "something" and that would be the faster reloading guns.

I mean ... from an "interesting" point of view it'd definitely be something. On the other hand ... Imagine the outcry if WG would release Shima as a new ship today ("WHAT? 15 Torpedos ... doing 20k+ DMG each ... you can't be serious WG!"). Even more so if it'd be the Shimayuski ...

 

Personally though ... Hayate could be interesting for me, but that'd require WG to make her utterly broken ... so ... I'll leave it at that and wish those that have and enjoy her "happy sailing".

[Lootboxer]

I would love to buy her if she had 200m better concealment and was half million XP less. Or even one of this two with a stretch. Right now hard pass. Useless and I mean totally useless for competetive( like 95% of DDs now) , not as good credit earner in random as t9s for 2x the price? To see TX radars and more Ru long range radars and bloody planes all the time? Plus being outspotted by nearly every single proper dd? For a 2 whole lines free XP? I'd rather take half price Friesland even if it has no torps and worse concealment at least it can farm credits and tears on t7s and potato CVs. Probably will wait and see what comes out in future. Rushed my steal to get neustrashimy and it was mistake with ship being overpriced and coming in soon for coal anyway so even exclusivity will be lost. Probably WG will say some bs like players don't want dds. Well. We don't want overpriced cr@p, that's for sure. 

 

[Lootboxer]

20 hours ago, VIadoCro said:

The last sentence gave me the following idea: swap Shima and Hayate. 

I have even better idea. In a line with the rest of ijn torpedo boats give shima TRB in the same slot as a smoke. It would buff her nicely offering a new attractive way of gameplay. Double wall of skills  Joking maybe a bit as salt would be coming in a bigger bags than coal but honestly torps are so predictable and unreliable way of dealing damage that I'm OK with this idea even from BB point of view. 

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

According to "ProShips.ru" from today (2020-05-04):

 

https://proships.ru/stat/eu/s/99999-

 

• Hayate = 389 unique Player IDs (i.e. increase of just 27 for past day)

 

 

BTW,  the "WoWs Stats & Numbers" list just 1073 (Random) battles in her (i.e increase of just 192 battles in past day):

 

https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3760076496,Hayate/

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Bear__Necessities]

From what I've seen of it in game now, not worth the 2 mill free exp. Swatted easily from the air and by better gunboats. 2 mill too much. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

I might pick up Hayate after I have enough Research Points for the new Legendary Upgrades, simply because I like torpedo reload boosters.