WG should differentiate AFK from disconnected

[Bad_Mojo_incoming]

Time for another rant...

 

As I say in the title, WG should put some effort into differentiating between when someone is AFK (intentionally or unintentionally) or he/she gets disconnected and NOT ALLOW reporting those who get disconnected cz it isn't exactly THEIR FAULT NOW, IS IT?

 

Today, I tired to do some grinding to the Des Moines, but my *insert a really hurtful and rude adjective here* Internet provider f***ed up and I got disconnected twice from an active battle (both times in the very beginning, cz when else?) and it took my provider more than 20 minutes BOTH TIMES to fix the service...all the while my 'very understanding' teammates have reported my behind so many times that I got penalty for INACTION... YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR?

 

Never EVEN MIND the 2 rare camos and signals I lost when I got disconnected and ended up wiht 0 XP and credits...

 

[DFens_666]

Getting a penalty for being AFK is most likely automatic and not due to reports. The only report that does something (and we know of) is reporting for misbehaviour in chat, which gets you a days chatban if enough people report you.

 

Here is a thought: If you know you have internet problems, maybe dont play for a while? Or play Coop instead? You are only writing from your own side (i got a penatly - i lost my camos and signals) meanwhile, your teammates had to play 11v12, and maybe those games were lost because you had problems. So they might have used camos and signals too, and got less out of it...

 

And being pink is not bad, its only a warning, not even a punishment

[Zemeritt]

12 minutes ago, Bad_Mojo_incoming said:

Today, I tired to do some grinding to the Des Moines, but my *insert a really hurtful and rude adjective here* Internet provider f***ed up and I got disconnected twice from the an active battle and it took my provider more than 20 minutes BOTH TIMES to fix the service...all the while my 'very understanding' teammates have reported my behind so many times that I got penalty for INACTION... YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR?

 

Reports from other players deosn't concern the system.

It tracks if you're activ during a battle or not:  If you are not, you'll be warned like you have been now.

[CptBarney]

Should have greyed out for disconnected and maybe black or something for disconnected (maybe they could have different colours for server or client based disconnect if its possible).

[Bad_Mojo_incoming]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

If you know you have internet problems, maybe dont play for a while?

I'm wondering if I even should answer such a ridiculous question, so let me ask a question in return: do you know when your internet provider will screw up and you will lose connection before hand? No, I don't think you do. After the 2nd time I got disconnected, I didn't even try for a third time.

 

3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

You are only writing from your own side (i got a penatly - i lost my camos and signals) meanwhile, your teammates had to play 11v12, and maybe those games were lost because you had problems. So they might have used camos and signals too, and got less out of it...

There is a difference between not even BEING ABLE to play cz your provider screws up and between playing badly or getting 1shotted before you even have a chance to fire your guns....yet, the RESULT for you will be the same, you lose money, camos and signals....but not because you played poorly or you got unlucky with RNG and got detonated...no, you got disconnected by your net provider...and you couldn't log back in before the battle is over.

 

Besides, lately about 70+ percent of all matches are 5-10 minute roflstomps where it hardly matters if 1 ship is inactive during the whole battle either by being AFK or being disconnected.

[BrusilovX]

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Here is a thought: If you know you have internet problems, maybe dont play for a while? Or play Coop instead? You are only writing from your own side (i got a penatly - i lost my camos and signals) meanwhile, your teammates had to play 11v12, and maybe those games were lost because you had problems. So they might have used camos and signals too, and got less out of it...

 

The impact of an AFK or just slow to join depends on the ship type and relative tiering.

 

Not having a DD spot at the start of a battle can cause issues and this is regardless of the tiering.   Just as if the top tier BB does not join the team loses a fair bit of offensive ability.

[Sunleader]

12 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Getting a penalty for being AFK is most likely automatic and not due to reports. The only report that does something (and we know of) is reporting for misbehaviour in chat, which gets you a days chatban if enough people report you.

 

Here is a thought: If you know you have internet problems, maybe dont play for a while? Or play Coop instead? You are only writing from your own side (i got a penatly - i lost my camos and signals) meanwhile, your teammates had to play 11v12, and maybe those games were lost because you had problems. So they might have used camos and signals too, and got less out of it...

 

And being pink is not bad, its only a warning, not even a punishment

 

*edit*

 

So basicly unless you have a 100% stable Internet connection at all times you should just not use your Internet at all ?

Sorry. But how about no ?

 

I am living in a smaller village. Which means that I can also sometimes get Disconnects that last from a few seconds to a few hours.

So your basicly telling me. I should not Play this Game right ? Or should only Play Coop I guess. lol

 

*edit*

 

And Playing 11 vs 12 ? lol..... Most of the Time we Play 3 vs 12 anyways because 90% of the players are useless anyways.

Maybe anyone who cant Reliably Kill at least 1 Enemy Ship per Battle should just not Play either ? :)

Lets just Automaticly Ban everyone who drops below 45% Winrate. Having them on the Team is a Pain after all. Its like Playing 11 vs 12 or worse since there is so many of them by now...

 

Also. Public Shaming is a Punishment. One that is actually Prohibited in alot of Countries because it tends to be Fairly Effective against those People which actually try to Obey the Rules.

Funny enough. All the People which tend to break the Rules on Purpose or drive as close to the limit as possible. Are usually the ones who dont consider it a Punishment because its not actively stopping them....

[DFens_666]

12 hours ago, Bad_Mojo_incoming said:

I'm wondering if I even should answer such a ridiculous question, so let me ask a question in return: do you know when your internet provider will screw up and you will lose connection before hand? No, I don't think you do. After the 2nd time I got disconnected, I didn't even try for a third time.

 

After the first time, you might try Coop first? I wouldnt blame anyone, if it happens once, because you cant know that. But if you have troubles, then i think its the right thing to check first before continue to do so. Thats all on you.

 

10 hours ago, Sunleader said:

*edit*

 

Ooooh big surprise you cant read and continue that personal stuff once more.

He had problems -> he DCed first time.

He kept playing -> he DCed again. That 2nd time is on him.

 

also, the rest of your post is whataboutism and personal insults.

[ForlornSailor]

11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

also, the rest of your post is whataboutism and personal insults.

 

Nothing new here.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, Bad_Mojo_incoming said:

I'm wondering if I even should answer such a ridiculous question, so let me ask a question in return: do you know when your internet provider will screw up and you will lose connection before hand? No, I don't think you do. After the 2nd time I got disconnected, I didn't even try for a third time.

 

Well if you ask that question then we (or WG) should ask this question: how shall they know, if you disconnected or your ISP screwed up, or a hamster chewed on your cable or what not? There is no way to determine, WHY or HOW a connection was lost. Yes, if you click the "back to port" button, they know (which shouldnt exit in the first place, just pointing that out once again). so you see, there is no way to remove this penalty. besides that, the pink penalty doesnt really matter. And I dont know how far you have to push to be restricted to coop, but it takes a while. And at that point, its actually justified. Also: there is no way to not make you lose your camos & signals, because IF on a disconnect, I would keep my signals, Id just tab out, deconect my internet connection everytime I have super eco signals on and I see the game is lost. End of story I guess?

[Saltface]

Oh my, oh my, oh my !!

 

Arrogance galore with a dash of exclusivism, scented with logical fallacies.

 

Attention dear readers, 9 out of 10 of us are useless. Statistically. Big Light in the Sky Boss said so.

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

And Playing 11 vs 12 ? lol..... Most of the Time we Play 3 vs 12 anyways because 90% of the players are useless anyways.

Full quote and not taken out of context. Clearly presented as statement to refute dfens' claim that one player being afk is a burden to any team.
This one counts for arrogance. Exactly dear readers. 9 out of 10.

 

And as you continue on the same train you express your secret desires. Exclusivism! Or are you creating strawmen at the industrial level? Or maybe both of the above?

I ll check the logical fallacies with this one. But there are more and, frankly I m bored to point them out. Just for the record answer this: Who said anything of what you posted here? Are these your secret desires or are you insinuating that dfens proposed them? Because he hasn't. He just gave some advise about how to handle a bad internet connection. So? What is it? Some sort of malice? But I m having fun entertaining the idea that you are reflecting your inner desires. Most becoming.

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Maybe anyone who cant Reliably Kill at least 1 Enemy Ship per Battle should just not Play either ? :)

Lets just Automaticly Ban everyone who drops below 45% Winrate. Having them on the Team is a Pain after all. Its like Playing 11 vs 12 or worse since there is so many of them by now...

 

The next one is twisted. Trying to tell us that pink is public shaming? So it is not a simple warning that ....duhhh....like.....I m pink....so? Its public shaming? Hence a punishment? Yeah, OK...

Please leave the white horse and the shining armor at the wardrobe. 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Also. Public Shaming is a Punishment. One that is actually Prohibited in alot of Countries because it tends to be Fairly Effective against those People which actually try to Obey the Rules.

 

Oops, I almost forgot. The advise dfens gave was sound.

2 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Here is a thought: If you know you have internet problems, maybe dont play for a while? Or play Coop instead?

 

If you know that your internet connection has problems and disconnects often, be a responsible person and avoid playing randoms, ranked or clan battles until it is fixed. And if once in a blue moon you get pink because you got disconnected, who cares? it is not a punishment.

 

If you want to twist around this sound, clear and straightforward statement...continue. But its rather .... unbecoming I d say.

If I was you I would delete my post. I doesn't pay any service to you or anyone.

 

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

4 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Should have greyed out for disconnected and maybe black or something for disconnected (maybe they could have different colours for server or client based disconnect if its possible).

I second that, for as annoying to the team as it is that someone is AFK, for the player to get a disconnect, always spotted when their ship or planes go round and round in circles or just stop whilst at full steam ahead, for the player in question he or she will be sat there fuming, especially if they had just lined up that perfect shot, very rarely is it intentional, however yo can tell some players who upon battle opening just turn around and sail into the far corner, and remain there, those the probably the XVM  stat monkeys who decide the team is not good enough for them.

 

Those are the ones to really get annoyed at.

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

my internet provider was cut out durning battle today, the struggle to re log in, ended up using a mobile hotspot,,, when i logged i found out it wasn't going to load me back into battle, felt sad, but, when the ship came back, "penailty lifted" message so there must be something to protect the honest player from penality

[gabberworld]

and whole team lose because  your shitti internet provider, they all lose they camos and flags because one shitti provider, fair to report you? yes maybe no,

players not know what cause the issue that you afk, even server not know exactly,

maybe you rage quit the battle when you see tier 10 ship and you self are at tier 8

maybe you throw pc out off windows, who knows

 

what server can todo if he sees that user lose connection, then he replace that user with some other user with exact same ship

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

2 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

and whole team lose because  your shitti internet provider, they all lose they camos and flags because one shitti provider, fair to report you? yes maybe no,

players not know what cause the issue that you afk, even server not know exactly,

maybe you rage quit the battle when you see tier 10 ship and you self are at tier 8

maybe you throw pc out off windows, who knows

 

what server can todo if he sees that user lose connection, then he replace that user with some other user with exact same ship

a very deteminded yorck player won it with a solo warrior, litrally sent him a port message congratulating him and appologised for my net outage also a +1, 

 

but dude these things happen, its part of the game

 

funniest one was when the game failed to load, by the time i logged in a got one shot off, stole a kill from my divison mate then died 

 

he still hasnt forgave me for that a few days later altho its hilarious

[MementoMori_6030]

High ping, packet loss, stuttering also impair gameplay and reduce efficiency...

 

And now we move to the next danger: Unreliable power sources. Power outages happen, even in a supposedly modern country. Not everyone is keeping an emergency electricity generator in ready state. What is the argument here? Link an exercise bike to your computer and keep on pedaling while playing? And what if your computer itself breaks down, suffers a malfunction? All real possibilities. You cannot prevent all these. But anyway, how could the game probably detect if you were disconnected or just cut you connection because you wanted to avoid a penalty for leaving the game out of free will? Not my field of expertise.

[Sunleader]

10 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

After the first time, you might try Coop first? I wouldnt blame anyone, if it happens once, because you cant know that. But if you have troubles, then i think its the right thing to check first before continue to do so. Thats all on you.

 

 

Ooooh big surprise you cant read and continue that personal stuff once more.

He had problems -> he DCed first time.

He kept playing -> he DCed again. That 2nd time is on him.

 

also, the rest of your post is whataboutism and personal insults.

*edit*

 

So if I DC once I should then Play Coop ?

For how Long ?

1 Battle ?

What if I disconnect again after 30-40 Minutes ?

 

In my case for last two years. I could have a Single Disconnect for like 10 seconds and then it didnt happen again the entire Month.

I could also have 2-3 Disconnect in a Range of 2-3 Hours before it got Stable.

I could also have Lags for Hours which might cause the Server to Disconnect me and make me wonder what happened cause my Internet is still there and I can still open Websites with no Problem thus not Noticing it unless I run a Speedtest or Check my Ping on another Program.

I could also have about 5-10 Disconnects spread over the Day.

 

I had that for 3 Years before they Finally Renewed the Cables in this Village.

So mind telling me ? How long should I play Coop there ? 1 Game each ? Or should I just give up for the Day ?

 

 

Your Idea is like a Math Problem in School. It works only if the Numbers add up Perfectly.

Thing is. Thats not Reality Mate. Unstable Connections dont Announce themselves. And once they happen they dont tell you how long they last or when they come back.

If he got himself Banned for Disconnecting every 5 Minutes and kept Trying for 10 Games or something. I would consider your Criticism Valid.

But bashing at him because he gave it a Second Try ?

Sorry you Serious ?

 

And aside from that. If you get Disconnected in Coop you can go Pink as well lol.

 

 

10 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Nothing new here.

*edit*

 

 

9 hours ago, Saltface said:

Oh my, oh my, oh my !!

 

Arrogance galore with a dash of exclusivism, scented with logical fallacies.

 

Attention dear readers, 9 out of 10 of us are useless. Statistically. Big Light in the Sky Boss said so.

Full quote and not taken out of context. Clearly presented as statement to refute dfens' claim that one player being afk is a burden to any team.
This one counts for arrogance. Exactly dear readers. 9 out of 10.

 

And as you continue on the same train you express your secret desires. Exclusivism! Or are you creating strawmen at the industrial level? Or maybe both of the above?

I ll check the logical fallacies with this one. But there are more and, frankly I m bored to point them out. Just for the record answer this: Who said anything of what you posted here? Are these your secret desires or are you insinuating that dfens proposed them? Because he hasn't. He just gave some advise about how to handle a bad internet connection. So? What is it? Some sort of malice? But I m having fun entertaining the idea that you are reflecting your inner desires. Most becoming.

 

The next one is twisted. Trying to tell us that pink is public shaming? So it is not a simple warning that ....duhhh....like.....I m pink....so? Its public shaming? Hence a punishment? Yeah, OK...

Please leave the white horse and the shining armor at the wardrobe. 

 

Oops, I almost forgot. The advise dfens gave was sound.

 

If you know that your internet connection has problems and disconnects often, be a responsible person and avoid playing randoms, ranked or clan battles until it is fixed. And if once in a blue moon you get pink because you got disconnected, who cares? it is not a punishment.

 

If you want to twist around this sound, clear and straightforward statement...continue. But its rather .... unbecoming I d say.

If I was you I would delete my post. I doesn't pay any service to you or anyone.

 

 

 

*edit*

 

1.

So your saying that the Average Potato Carries you in Matches ?

Somehow I doubt that.

Neither Offense nor Compliment Intended.

2.

Just Showing you your own Face in the Mirror.

*edit*

In this case your making it Sound like having 1 Random Player DC in a Match would be such a Big Deal.

And I am making Fun of that. Because Sorry. But in this Game the Deck your Dealt is almost never Equal. Losing 1 Player even if he cant Reconnect. Is of little to no Consequence. In Fact if he only Disconnected after he already did some work he is 10 times more useful than any AFK or Yolo Player you get alot of times. And considering the Average Player in Randoms. Even normal Players might not actually be any help in that Match.

And then Demanding that a Player who DCed should stop Playing Randoms and go for Coop or just not Play at all.

Sorry. *edit*

3.

Did you know ?

In old Ages one of the Punishments by Law was to Walk down the Main Street and Announce your Offenses to the Public.

Damaging your Reputation and Shaming you.

That is effectively what being Pink is.

And that is Intended by the way. Thats why you are Pink to other Players. And dont just get an Optical Effect or Message on your own Screen about you being Monitored.

Now the thing is. Unlike Teamkilling. Where this Punishment is at least Justified to some Extend. Being Disconnected is not an Offense that is down to your misbehavior.

Imagine this.

On a Visit to your Local Doctor you stumble and while falling you smash some Vase or Pot Plant to the Ground breaking it and causing a mess.

So for the next 2 Visits you have to Wear a Dunce Cap on your Head. You dont need to Pay the Pot Plant or anything. Just wear a Pink Dunce Cap which is known in that Area to mean that you broke something.

You telling me you would not consider that a Punishment ? :)

4.

See Mate. And thats the Fallacy. Because how do you know ? :)

The OP described that he got Disconnected Twice that Day by his Provider.

No Big Lag Spikes or Announcement. Just Sudden Disconnects.

Which is something I know very well. I had that happen for Years. And sometimes there could be Months without it happening. Sometimes it could happen 20 times a Day.

Thing is. The Provider doesnt Announce this to you. And when your Internet Connection is Reconnected it doesnt tell you wether or not its now fine or might just break 10 seconds later again or 10 minutes later again.

In the Past I made a Topic like this myself. My Internet Provider also decided to mess up.

I got Disconnected. It took about 30 minutes before Internet came back. But I didnt really wait for that. I was used to this. So I just played some other Games Offline.

2 Hours later I checked my Router. Saw the Internet Connection active for 1 hour and a half. So I went back to WoWs. Got my Defeat Report on the Ship. And Queued up for another Battle.

Guess what happened.

Yep. Disconnected. Internet gone for another hour. And when I came back later that Day I checked in and was Pink.

 

Now let me give you the same Question as DFens ?

How long do your think I should avoid Playing if I got DCed ?

1 Coop Battle ?

3 ?

Or maybe I should just Quit for the Day ?

I mean. In my Case I waited for my Internet Connection to be Stable for over an Hour before Attempting another Match.

 

Sorry. But maybe you Realize that this is not an Option for most Players of this Game.

Not everyone has 6 hours per Day to Play WoWs you know.

Some People have to do their Playing in a certain small Time Window and cant just wait for 3 hours to be sure that their Internet is Stable again.

 

 

12 hours ago, Bad_Mojo_incoming said:

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*edit*

 

The Game does actually try to make a Difference between a Disconnect and you throwing on purpose.

So in alot of cases even if you get Disconnected. You wont go Pink. Especially if you manage to get a Full Game done in between.

But in some cases especially when you get DCed right at the start of the Game before doing anything happens or worse if your still in the Loading screen. The Game will sometimes not realize its a DC and just assume that you Alt+F4ed out of the Game for no Reason and abandoning the Match on Purpose.

In Your case having 2 Games in a Row where you got DCed right at the start of the Match likely resulted in the System assuming you did it on Purpose.

 

 

In General its fairly Safe to just Ignore it.  If you get unlucky twice in a row and end up Pink for it. Just do some Coop Battles to go white again before joining randoms again. Unless your Connection really decides to go haywire and you really end up disconnecting once every 2-3 Games. I dont see a Reason to stop Playing entirely.

[CptBarney]

5 hours ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

I second that, for as annoying to the team as it is that someone is AFK, for the player to get a disconnect, always spotted when their ship or planes go round and round in circles or just stop whilst at full steam ahead, for the player in question he or she will be sat there fuming, especially if they had just lined up that perfect shot, very rarely is it intentional, however yo can tell some players who upon battle opening just turn around and sail into the far corner, and remain there, those the probably the XVM  stat monkeys who decide the team is not good enough for them.

 

Those are the ones to really get annoyed at.

Yeah my internet connection is very stable, but i can never tell if some disconnected on purpose or left or if there are server issues (which if that player disconnects just before you do and they turn a different colour as aposed to grey, pink or orange then you can tell that you might go pop as well maybe).

 

I don't get people who basically play to do nothing, they may as well continue with what they do irl if they want to be that useless. Oh well, gib super georgia so i can rekt people better at tier 10 'w'

[159Hunter]

8 hours ago, Sunleader said:

I am living in a smaller village. Which means that I can also sometimes get Disconnects that last from a few seconds to a few hours.

Pardon me for asking, but in what country are you living? The economy nowadays banks on internet, having regular disconnects that last hours should be something from the past?

 

On topic: unfortunately there are a lot of sad puppies playing this game. Some even capable of pulling the plug on their router to appear "disconnected" because they don't like the MM.

 

[lossi_2018]

A power down could happen to everyone, it is what it is unfortunately

[CptBarney]

5 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

A power down could happen to everyone, it is what it is unfortunately

Well the last of us 2 powered down before it woke up lol.

[lossi_2018]

Oh,

 

I CAN"T LOG IN! :O

[CptBarney]

Just now, lossi_2018 said:

Oh,

 

I CAN"T LOG IN! :O

Hope teh server hamsters didn't hear about dem leaks and went on strike again.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 41 Minuten, 159Hunter sagte:

Pardon me for asking, but in what country are you living?

Even in "modern" countries old buildings exist, with landlords who do not feel like investing heavily into space age wiring. I have ONE socket per room, the building itself could be a multiple war veteran and the wiring may precede my arrival on this doomed planet. While the connection is pretty stable, it is not the fastest, so I guess reliability issues are to be expected elsewhere when wiring is not up to present standards and wireless connections are rare and weak, both pretty likely in rural regions with less population density.

[jss78]

Yeah, an occasional net outage can happen to anyone.

 

That said, I think it's not necessary to be upset by being pink in a few games. Don't take it so seriously, it's just a friendly reminder to not do whatever you did again, if humanly possible. Happens to the best of us once in a while. (For me usually due to landing a torpedo broadside into a division mate due to a TS miscommunication... )

 

If your Internet is "frequently" unreliable, I think it's actually fair to ask that you don't play real-time online games. I had to impose this on myself for the past year, while living overseas in a home which turned out to have really bad internet.