Why use 2 000 000 million free XP on uber nerfed Hayate?

[CaptainKreutzer]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

Z52.... Yeah lets not talk about that useless Piece of Trash that will lose a Gunfight even to a Shima unless the Enemy is a Complete Potato and tries to Rush into your Hydro while you Smoke........

 

Z52 isn't a bad gunboat. Unless player playing her is complete potato. AP is very deadly and Hayate doesn't have a chance against Gun build Z52 because Hydro,smoke combo and AP that can deal 4k to 5k damage per salvo.

[Miragetank90]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

Kabarost, Grozovoi and Kleber might be Good Targets because you Outspot them.

 

 

Well, you won't outspot Grozo. The conceal is the same or has a 0.1km difference.

 

I don't think the ship looks terrible, it's just too expensive in my view. 

[Jvd2000]

Well I am quite happy that WG makes it so easy for me to decide to spend or not to spend 2m FXP on 2 mediocre DD’s. Just have around 900k FXP and absolutely no intentions to buy these ships. And I am quite a collector... Would have been much worse if an actual good ship was available for 2m FXP..... Then I would force myself to get that 2m soon... Now I am happy walking away with no feeling that I miss out on a good deal...

[Yedwy]

15 hours ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Disgusting isn't it, way too much for ships, but then I wasted some fxp as i got tired of looking at it on the ZAO, omw what a waste, there was me believing she was a good ship, but man those torp angles need a buff.

Zao has good enough torp angles for what she needs them for...

 

On topic

No reason to waste freexp on Hayate unless you have.loads of it and nothing else to spend it on...

[Sunleader]

11 minutes ago, CaptainKreutzer said:

Z52 isn't a bad gunboat. Unless player playing her is complete potato. AP is very deadly and Hayate doesn't have a chance against Gun build Z52 because Hydro,smoke combo and AP that can deal 4k to 5k damage per salvo.

 

Thing is. Z52 is only a Good Gunboat if the Enemy Player is a Potato.

Because Z52 AP only Works if they Enemy tries to Broadside you at close Range.

In most cases. If the DD has some Skill he will turn out and stay at an angle. So he can Drive away from you thus not allowing you to Smoke up and Hydro. And meanwhile just Shoot you. Knowing that you have Incredible Weak HE and thus cant really do anything about it if the Enemy Angles.

The moment the Enemy DD angles or even just stays at a bit of range. Your AP just no longer has the Penetration to get any Serious DPS out because half or more of your Shells will just Bounce off.

 

And this works against the Z heavily. Because if the Enemy knows even halfwat what he is doing. And thus just turns out showing you an Angle. You have the Choice. Keep Firing and Fight a Battle your Guaranteed to Lose. Or go Silent and let him Pound you for 20 Seconds till you go Unspotted which will cost you alot of your HP.

 

Ultimately. Z52 is a Good Gun DD only when your Enemy is a Potato showing you Flat Broatside at Close Range. In all other cases the Z52 will be Outgunned.

 

 

[Excavatus]

56 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

I don't need to play it to know that it will have a hard time against CVs when using the torpedo reload booster.

With TRB it has neither smoke nor any significant AA and 12km torpedo range is not enough to keep it safe from CVs (trust me, you don't want to be this DD in my CV games).

Without TRB I am just not really interested, because it brings nothing new to the table.

Only being a shima who can go into a gunfight.. I'd take that blindfolded :) 

 

and again, WG should everyone to try new releases before they buy it.. at least for 5 battles.. 

Because commenting only over numbers or videos, really does not do any good to this game.. 

 

People form an opinion without even having the experience, and then they try to sell this opinion as a fact (not talking about you here btw..) 

like this ship is OP, this ship is DEAD etc etc.. without trying them out after the release / changes.. 

Thats a big problem if you ask me. 

[HaachamaShipping]

3 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Kabarost, Grozovoi and Kleber might be Good Targets because you Outspot them. And if you get close you actually Outdamage them too. Which gives you a Good Edge over them.

But then again. Their Playstyle is Different. And Hunting them might turn out badly.

Did you account for Kleber clicking one button and doubling its dpm? Not to mention, all of them are faster, so once they spot Hayate at 6 km, they dictate the range, not Hayate.

[Apophisos]

It's an average boat at the best, 6.2 buffed detection, half azzed guns, 2 1/2 min reload on slightly buffed 12km shima torps, and if you want torp booster, well, no smoke and that AA you are crap out of luck. 

To top it of 37knots.

 

2 0 0 0 0 0 0.

 

As said, average boat at the best, with that said I may have fooled myself thinking free xp boat is acro with premium boat. Would pick shima 10/10 times in any situation. 

 

2 live crew -  face down, azz up comes to mind.

[ImTryingButYouDontHelp]

19 hours ago, Apophisos said:

Why use 2 000 000 million free XP on uber nerfed Hayate?

 

Was looking forward to this, todays meta with the roll/steamroll matches where cv's frack things up, shima fallen behind, and now they present this stoneage nerfed Hayate? 2mill?

 

f' off.

You will have the honour of throwing deep charges to the tier X subs in six months time  Besides the irony, they started at 750K free XP, then 1M, and now 2M. I prefer to develope a whole branch than buying that ship, specially seeing the current gameplay 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

8 hours ago, Excavatus said:

Only being a shima who can go into a gunfight.. I'd take that blindfolded :) 

 

Except you are not a Shima. 

Missing that third set of torps is a big deal. Same goes for the lack of concealment and agility. 

 

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and again, WG should everyone to try new releases before they buy it.. at least for 5 battles.. 

Because commenting only over numbers or videos, really does not do any good to this game.. 

 

People form an opinion without even having the experience, and then they try to sell this opinion as a fact (not talking about you here btw..) 

like this ship is OP, this ship is DEAD etc etc.. without trying them out after the release / changes.. 

Thats a big problem if you ask me. 

 

I agree that people should be allowed to test.

 

People like me however, who have all the ships, can make a very accurate prediction how the ship will feel from the stats, as they know how others ships with said stats feel like. 

[Sunleader]

8 hours ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Did you account for Kleber clicking one button and doubling its dpm? Not to mention, all of them are faster, so once they spot Hayate at 6 km, they dictate the range, not Hayate.

 

Nope. Your right.

Scratch Kleber then I guess

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 11 Stunden, __Helmut_Kohl__ sagte:

 

LOL pathetic, but I will give you that beating if you need it.

I like that attitude! I will remember your offer and pm you when I got the Hayate. 

Just don't make excuses later on ★

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

2 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

I like that attitude! I will remember your offer and pm you when I got the Hayate. 

Just don't make excuses later on ★

 

What a joke. 

[Bad_Mojo_incoming]

On 4/27/2020 at 8:01 PM, Inappropriate_noob said:

Disgusting isn't it, way too much for ships, but then I wasted some fxp as i got tired of looking at it on the ZAO, omw what a waste, there was me believing she was a good ship, but man those torp angles need a buff.

Zao IS a good ship, if your playing it poorly than it performs badly....just like any other ship. I agree with the comment on the torp angles though. Those are really horrible. Try using the longer range torps, I have had some hilarious torp hits with it.

 

Also, try the range upgrade and the spotter plane combo and you will be setting BBs ablaze from 20+ kms with it's absurd fire starting chance I'm earing a Witherer medal every 3rd 4th battle...with the rudder shift upgrade (the legendary upgrade is even better, 5 seconds rudder shift) you can easily avoid return fire.

 

Zao is a great TX cruiser better than the Whorechaser....although I just unlocked the Des Moines yesterday..

[T0byJug]

22 hours ago, Excavatus said:

Hayate is an amazing DD, and people commenting on it just by looking the numbers, without playing her.. is just... silly.. 

She has shima guns.. with 3.1second reload (not full gunboat build btw) 

10 12km shima torps.. 6km detection.. with smoke or TRB (I prefer smoke)

 

and because 2 guns on aft, and excellent shell ballistics, she can kite away and kill other DDs easily.. good luck for gearing and daring hitting a running away hayate after 8kms.. 

 

but yeah, people like to burn the forest just because they've seen a bear in the picture without even going into the forest... 

come on, even the "drama queen CC" made "how crap hayate is" video.. and he did 220K damage in it with 3 or 4 kills :)

 

and i have played her in testing 

Completly agree

[T0byJug]

On 4/28/2020 at 1:45 AM, lafeel said:

That's the, whatever 80k doubloons cost these days, question now isn't it? 

 

That having been said, you can bet your bottom dollar we will see some before this time tomorrow.

 

EDIT: NB that I am not as such saying that it's a great idea to, but hey if they can make it work, all the more kudos to them.

Will people please stop this crap... Free XP/Coal and steel is a FREE currency in game. STOP comparing it to the dubloon cost.

 

Some people are desparate/stupid enough to pay oddles of cash to BUY free XP thats there failt not WG..

Players wanted a way to get Free XP for cash WG gave them a way (historicly this was for tanks to get past the stock grind)

 

Well thats there choice.. 

Hayat is NOT an 80K dubloon ship.. its a free XP ship FULL STOP.

 

On the Hayat

 

We have a ship with Shima Guns but with a much faster turret rotaion and ROF.. 

 

Those saying a Gearing will own it.. sorry but no.. Shima could hold her own against  Gearing at  range or if she jumped by Shima. With faster guns Hayat is more than capable of smashing her. (I dont think i am braking NDA by saying I got the drop lot of DD commanders in testing when they thought they were seeing a Shima)

 

Hayat has better AA and a lot more HP.. ok not as stealthy as a Shima she is slower and less manovable with fewer torps

 

But boy is she a fun DD to play

[Hopeless_Guppy]

7 hours ago, Bad_Mojo_incoming said:

Zao IS a good ship, if your playing it poorly than it performs badly....just like any other ship. I agree with the comment on the torp angles though. Those are really horrible. Try using the longer range torps, I have had some hilarious torp hits with it.

 

Also, try the range upgrade and the spotter plane combo and you will be setting BBs ablaze from 20+ kms with it's absurd fire starting chance I'm earing a Witherer medal every 3rd 4th battle...with the rudder shift upgrade (the legendary upgrade is even better, 5 seconds rudder shift) you can easily avoid return fire.

 

Zao is a great TX cruiser better than the Whorechaser....although I just unlocked the Des Moines yesterday..

It is new to me tbh, I certainly will try out your suggestions, sold the garbage what is the minotaur, but the other ships you mention oh yes fun fun fun, even by my pitiful standards.

[Amon_ITA]

On 4/27/2020 at 7:58 PM, Apophisos said:

Why use 2 000 000 million free XP on uber nerfed Hayate?

 

Was looking forward to this, todays meta with the roll/steamroll matches where cv's frack things up, shima fallen behind, and now they present this stoneage nerfed Hayate? 2mill?

 

f' off.

 

I agree. From what i see in it's current state there is no sense in playing that DD. Can be a gunboat or a torpedoboat, but it's only decent at both.

 

We already have Harugumo and Shimakaze, why should i spend a ton of free XP on a ship that can do both roles, but worse than silver ships i already have ?

 

TBH i would not play Hayate even if it was grindable as a silver ship.

[lafeel]

6 hours ago, T0byJug said:

Hayat is NOT an 80K dubloon ship.. its a free XP ship FULL STOP.

 

Whether she is a 80K dubloon, or 2M free xp ship is rather beside my point.

 

My point was that you should look before you leap into spending such a amount of resources, either way. Nice that she's working for you, though.

[B051LjKo]

8 hours ago, Bad_Mojo_incoming said:

Zao IS a good ship, if your playing it poorly than it performs badly....just like any other ship. I agree with the comment on the torp angles though. Those are really horrible. Try using the longer range torps, I have had some hilarious torp hits with it.

 

Also, try the range upgrade and the spotter plane combo and you will be setting BBs ablaze from 20+ kms with it's absurd fire starting chance I'm earing a Witherer medal every 3rd 4th battle...with the rudder shift upgrade (the legendary upgrade is even better, 5 seconds rudder shift) you can easily avoid return fire.

 

Zao is a great TX cruiser better than the Whorechaser....although I just unlocked the Des Moines yesterday..

Zao is not a good ship, it hase been powercreeped to death. It needs better torpedo angles and 10k of gwalrh to be remotly competative.

 

If you want to kite at 20 km, better go with Henry. Hell, even Hindi is a much better option for burning stuff as it can do other things rather than kiteing.

[Taliesn]

5 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

Zao is not a good ship, it hase been powercreeped to death. It needs better torpedo angles and 10k of gwalrh to be remotly competative.

 

If you want to kite at 20 km, better go with Henry. Hell, even Hindi is a much better option for burning stuff as it can do other things rather than kiteing.

 

Whassat?

 

Zao is a very good ship, the armour is absolutely trollish and I don't think Hindi is better at burning stuff. Certainly neither at kiting. Zao can go dark, a lot more difficult with Hindi, who doesn't have the torps for that kind of play either.

[Alteisen]

This ship would have been an instant buy if it was Steel or Coal. For FreeXP, I rather wait for the RB season reset and get the next RB ship when it comes out.

 

The community voted wrong...

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

On 4/27/2020 at 8:01 PM, Inappropriate_noob said:

Disgusting isn't it, way too much for ships, but then I wasted some fxp as i got tired of looking at it on the ZAO, omw what a waste, there was me believing she was a good ship, but man those torp angles need a buff.

Giva Zao a chance it is a great ship. Go to the flank enemy is pushing and stay 14 km away and just spam with torps. After floods and repair you set 3-4 permafires and then go dark and then send 4 salvos more, rinse and repeat.

[B051LjKo]

1 hour ago, Taliesn said:

 

Whassat?

 

Zao is a very good ship, the armour is absolutely trollish and I don't think Hindi is better at burning stuff. Certainly neither at kiting. Zao can go dark, a lot more difficult with Hindi, who doesn't have the torps for that kind of play either.

Health, sorry for the miss spell, typing on a cell phone.

 

Hindi is not better than Zao at burning stuff, but hindi can pen 50 mm witg its HE, and can also brawl. Zao can not do either.

 

Trollish armor is a joke, that thing can be citadelled from all angles.

[Chaos_Umbra]

1 hour ago, Alteisen said:

This ship would have been an instant buy if it was Steel or Coal. For FreeXP, I rather wait for the RB season reset and get the next RB ship when it comes out.

 

The community voted wrong...

We didn't know that WG would double the price to go from T9 with full premium economy to a T10 without Premium economy. Unfortunately WG really wanted to Inflate the prices that much 1.5 million would also still be on the expensive side...