Why use 2 000 000 million free XP on uber nerfed Hayate?

[lafeel]

8 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I know, but watching the non-stop "love" of the devs for german ships,  I decided  not to bet against the odds... We all know the size of the hammer when it comes to non-soviet ships. 

For what it's worth though (and before anyone says it, yes I know it's not worth much :P ) she does definetly have potential, both based off her specs, and off what I've seen of her being played..

[Chaos_Umbra]

If the Smaland wasn't worth 2 Million Free XP (I only got it cause I had 1 Million extra so I could throw 2 Million away) then this thing is definitely not worth it...

[lossi_2018]

I never hav enough for anything :/

 

 

[Aethervoxx]

9 hours ago, Apophisos said:

Why use 2 000 000 million free XP on uber nerfed Hayate?

So you can use 2 Million free exp on a premium? Perhaps WoWS is offering the deal to clear out a lot of accounts that have insane amounts of free exp?  It's one or the other, imho.

[Sunleader]

5 hours ago, Lebedjev said:

 

Subject is about someone, who don't welcome this ship, right ? So yeah i totaly know, it's only a personal view.

And i am not an entertaining people.

 

Then dont.

I mean come on. This is a Forum. Its meant to give Feedback and Voice your Opinion.

Why attack People over it ?

Some stuff WG does will be liked. Other stuff wont be Liked.

 

4 hours ago, Lebedjev said:

 

She didn't get nerf or i faill to found the deveblog about that.

People just think 2 milion Freexp is to much for a TX ship or if the ship is so expensive, they think the ship must be very good, borderline OP, in order to said they didn't lost Freexp for nothing.

 

Hmm.

Well. I dont see anything Particular Bad about it. But also nothing Particular Good.

Its basicly a Shima with less Torps but better Reload.

 

I got the Smalland instead. Everyone has to decide for himself if a Ship is worth the price or not.

 

46 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

So you can use 2 Million free exp on a premium? Perhaps WoWS is offering the deal to clear out a lot of accounts that have insane amounts of free exp?  It's one or the other, imho.

 

Actually its a bit more Complicated than that.

Currently Wargaming is effectively trying to cause Inflation of their Currencies.

 

So they Changed the Game to allow you to use ALL Economic Flags at once. Easily gaining 10-15k Free Exp per Battle. But also Increasing the Prices on Free Exp for the new FxP Ships.

So effectively the old Accounts which have lots of Free Exp get that Free Exp Devalued. Because the amount they stored up over 2000 battles is now something others can earn in a mere 500 battles. But at the same time. The Prices for New Ships have also been Increased Accordingly. So that Shiny new Premium Ship will still need roughly the same amount of Work from the Players currently Grinding for it.

[GulvkluderGuld]

7 hours ago, Taliesn said:

Yup, no doubt. Then again, Benham was a mistake (also known as OP were she flying another flaaaaag)

Nah, then she would be balanced 

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

9 hours ago, Lebedjev said:

WG release russian ship.

Community : I don't want to, i want ship from a "true" nation .

 

WG release ijn/german etc ship

Community: I don't want to.

 

Ccl: Community want nothing.

WG release ijn/german etc ship (with very  bad abilities or weakpoints)

Community: I don't want to (spend resources or money on an useless ship)

 

Ccl: Community want a ship that's FUN and BALANCED for its tier

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 14 Minuten, dunbine sagte:

FUN and BALANCED

Hayate is fun and balanced. Just because a ship is difficult to play doesn't mean that its bad. 

 

[lafeel]

37 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

Hayate is fun and balanced. Just because a ship is difficult to play doesn't mean that its bad. 

 

One would think that the French DD line would have taught people this, but apparently not..

[Imsali]

44 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

Hayate is fun and balanced. Just because a ship is difficult to play doesn't mean that its bad. 

 

But what is the ultimate verdict on Hayate - jack of all trades, master of none?

 

My gripe is the detection range - I prefer good concealment on DDs as it is exactly the polar opposite gameplay for a BB main. This is the reason why I like the Shima, but I would be happy to trade one of the torp pylons in exchange for a gun - this was my expectation from Hayate in the beginning...

[BrusilovX]

10 hours ago, fumtu said:

 

Hayate has smoke, it is on the same slot with TRB.

OK, I was just following the recommended build in the WG video - where they suggest swapping out smoke for torpedo booster.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 46 Minuten, optimal_909 sagte:

But what is the ultimate verdict on Hayate - jack of all trades, master of none?

 

My gripe is the detection range - I prefer good concealment on DDs as it is exactly the polar opposite gameplay for a BB main. This is the reason why I like the Shima, but I would be happy to trade one of the torp pylons in exchange for a gun - this was my expectation from Hayate in the beginning...

Hayate if you build her for gun reload is likely going to be the best DD for gunfights maybe only losing to harugumo. She will still have good torps with high alpha but those aren't as important anyways for what she was made. 

 

Hayate is definetly not a hybrid. Her strength are her guns. 

[Sunleader]

5 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

Hayate if you build her for gun reload is likely going to be the best DD for gunfights maybe only losing to harugumo. She will still have good torps with high alpha but those aren't as important anyways for what she was made. 

 

Hayate is definetly not a hybrid. Her strength are her guns. 

 

You sure of that ?

Because both Gearing and Daring Run way Better Firepower.

 

Hayate Certainly has an Edge in High Damage Salvos. But in terms of DPS it is not actually that Good.

And its Concealment is nearly the same as Harugumo. So you wont be Outspotting Gearing and Daring either.

 

Daring with its Heal will likely Massacre a Hayate.

Gearing will be a Hard Fight at least. And if both Players are Equal I would bet on Gearing.

Against Harugumo no Chance.....

Yueyang is not an Easy Kill. But in Doubt I would bet on Hayate winning.

Z52.... Yeah lets not talk about that useless Piece of Trash that will lose a Gunfight even to a Shima unless the Enemy is a Complete Potato and tries to Rush into your Hydro while you Smoke........

Halland and Smalland will Kill you fairly Easily they Outspot you, they Outdamage you, They got a Heal. And Smalland even got Radar on top....

Leaves Shima which well. Its a Torpedo Monster. Not a Gun DD. So no surprise that you will be able to kill that one. All DDs in the Game except for Z52 Outdamage it after all....

 

Kabarost, Grozovoi and Kleber might be Good Targets because you Outspot them. And if you get close you actually Outdamage them too. Which gives you a Good Edge over them.

But then again. Their Playstyle is Different. And Hunting them might turn out badly.

 

 

So in Total ?

Hayate as a Gun DD somehow doesnt seem very Worthwhile. Its effectively a bit like the Gearing a Good Allrounder. Just that Hayate has better torps but worse Guns in my Eyes.

 

 

Then again.

I am not a DD Player. So who am I to Judge.

 

[B051LjKo]

8 hours ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I was also a happy dude sitting on top of a FXP mountain,  but after connecting my second brain cell, I decided to use that pile of FXP  to advance on all my 5 lines - I was one of those who reset 5 lines ....

Thanks to that I am at few days to get Ohio, and I think I used better my FXP to get Ohio than a dd with  super-hyper-ridiculous inflated price. 

And I confess I have some fun on the road, climbing again the lower tiers ...

Well, reseting 5 lines to get a single ship that is slightly improved Montana isnt exactly the smartest thing to do. I would say Hayate is a bargain compared to that.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 14 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

 

You sure of that ?

Because both Gearing and Daring Run way Better Firepower.

 

Hayate Certainly has an Edge in High Damage Salvos. But in terms of DPS it is not actually that Good.

And its Concealment is nearly the same as Harugumo. So you wont be Outspotting Gearing and Daring either.

 

Daring with its Heal will likely Massacre a Hayate.

Gearing will be a Hard Fight at least. And if both Players are Equal I would bet on Gearing.

Against Harugumo no Chance.....

Yueyang is not an Easy Kill. But in Doubt I would bet on Hayate winning.

Z52.... Yeah lets not talk about that useless Piece of Trash that will lose a Gunfight even to a Shima unless the Enemy is a Complete Potato and tries to Rush into your Hydro while you Smoke........

Halland and Smalland will Kill you fairly Easily they Outspot you, they Outdamage you, They got a Heal. And Smalland even got Radar on top....

Leaves Shima which well. Its a Torpedo Monster. Not a Gun DD. So no surprise that you will be able to kill that one. All DDs in the Game except for Z52 Outdamage it after all....

 

Kabarost, Grozovoi and Kleber might be Good Targets because you Outspot them. And if you get close you actually Outdamage them too. Which gives you a Good Edge over them.

But then again. Their Playstyle is Different. And Hunting them might turn out badly.

 

 

So in Total ?

Hayate as a Gun DD somehow doesnt seem very Worthwhile. Its effectively a bit like the Gearing a Good Allrounder. Just that Hayate has better torps but worse Guns in my Eyes.

 

 

Then again.

I am not a DD Player. So who am I to Judge.

 

I can guarantee that I will win a fight against any DD besides maybe Harugumo or Kleber. 

But that's me. 

[kfa]

23 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

I can guarantee that I will win a fight against any DD besides maybe Harugumo or Kleber. 

But that's me. 

If you turn out in time and can kite the enemy not even kleber or haru can beat those rear guns

[Odo_Toothless]

A new prices are harsh, but what to do with free XP ? As long i am only spending it for really needed ship modules, I could buy any new ship at day 1.

[Excavatus]

Hayate is an amazing DD, and people commenting on it just by looking the numbers, without playing her.. is just... silly.. 

She has shima guns.. with 3.1second reload (not full gunboat build btw) 

10 12km shima torps.. 6km detection.. with smoke or TRB (I prefer smoke)

 

and because 2 guns on aft, and excellent shell ballistics, she can kite away and kill other DDs easily.. good luck for gearing and daring hitting a running away hayate after 8kms.. 

 

but yeah, people like to burn the forest just because they've seen a bear in the picture without even going into the forest... 

come on, even the "drama queen CC" made "how crap hayate is" video.. and he did 220K damage in it with 3 or 4 kills :)

 

[Imsali]

15 minutes ago, Odo_Toothless said:

A new prices are harsh, but what to do with free XP ? As long i am only spending it for really needed ship modules, I could buy any new ship at day 1.

 

Same here, I mostly use it for the last bit of xp needed to unlock a module or a ship (playing base ships as well as long as it is not too weak). Otherwise I'm enjoying lower tiers so why skip them with fxp?

I have now 2 mils, so feel the itch to blow it on a T10 ship, then again I could have 2-3 other ships as well like Nelson plus Alaska with a lot of leftover.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, Yoshanai said:

Hayate if you build her for gun reload is likely going to be the best DD for gunfights maybe only losing to harugumo. She will still have good torps with high alpha but those aren't as important anyways for what she was made. 

 

Hayate is definetly not a hybrid. Her strength are her guns. 

 

There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start.

 

If you look at the gunpower and the fact that this has no heal, it will easily be outgunned by not only Harugumo, but also Daring, Smaland, Halland, Kleber, Marceau, Grozovoi, Khaba.

 

And what makes you think Harugumo is the best DD for DD-gunfights anyway ? 

It doesn't have a heal either and it also has no advantage in firepower over the other ones I have named (except for Halland).

Harugumo also has no outstanding concealment or agility, neither has it hydro or radar.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

1 hour ago, B051LjKo said:

Well, reseting 5 lines to get a single ship that is slightly improved Montana isnt exactly the smartest thing to do. I would say Hayate is a bargain compared to that.

Lol, I can "harvest" 2 mil. FXP in a couple of months, with no big sweat. On other hand, Ohio is only available using a much harder currency,  and so, more valuable. I still think my decision was correct. In 2-3 months I can get the FXP for Hayate, if Hayate prove herself....and most important, I will have a much better idea about real value of the ship. Excavatus here seems very enthusiastic about,  but I must remember you all a simple fact - a decent cv will have little trouble slapping any dd, and, on the other hand, with the release of EU dds, the current gameplay is hyper inflated with dds ( 4 dds / game are a common occurrence) ; Add the occasional cv on the mix, a couple or more radars, and we see is the present moment is not the most "healthy" ambient for a dd.

And most important argument, in a personal note, in my case - I am an old dude who can only use a hand ( a car accident more than 25 years ago....) and simply I cannot excel at kitting / shouting... same reason why I cannot do great on cv.s.

My limitation let me few options, mainly cruisers and bbs...

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 9 Minuten, __Helmut_Kohl__ sagte:

 

There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start.

 

If you look at the gunpower and the fact that this has no heal, it will easily be outgunned by not only Harugumo, but also Daring, Smaland, Halland, Kleber, Marceau, Grozovoi, Khaba.

 

And what makes you think Harugumo is the best DD for DD-gunfights anyway ? 

It doesn't have a heal either and it also has no advantage in firepower over the other ones I have named (except for Halland).

Harugumo also has no outstanding concealment or agility, neither has it hydro or radar.

I can't wait to prove you wrong in training room 1on1 as soon as I get her. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

26 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Hayate is an amazing DD, and people commenting on it just by looking the numbers, without playing her.. is just... silly.. 

She has shima guns.. with 3.1second reload (not full gunboat build btw) 

10 12km shima torps.. 6km detection.. with smoke or TRB (I prefer smoke)

 

and because 2 guns on aft, and excellent shell ballistics, she can kite away and kill other DDs easily.. good luck for gearing and daring hitting a running away hayate after 8kms.. 

 

but yeah, people like to burn the forest just because they've seen a bear in the picture without even going into the forest... 

come on, even the "drama queen CC" made "how crap hayate is" video.. and he did 220K damage in it with 3 or 4 kills :)

 

I don't need to play it to know that it will have a hard time against CVs when using the torpedo reload booster.

With TRB it has neither smoke nor any significant AA and 12km torpedo range is not enough to keep it safe from CVs (trust me, you don't want to be this DD in my CV games).

Without TRB I am just not really interested, because it brings nothing new to the table.

[creamgravy]

Isn't tier 10 destroyer DPM largely irrelevant?

 

Hayate's a large brick with a 720m turning circle and 4.6s rudder, you'll get deleted very quickly in open water trying to shoot anything that isn't a noob DD 20km from teammates for little damage in return.

 

WG have balance it as the generic silver tier 10 IJN DD following Yugumo. It's fine just nothing different.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 minute ago, Yoshanai said:

I can't wait to prove you wrong in training room 1on1 as soon as I get her. 

 

LOL pathetic, but I will give you that beating if you need it.