Update 0.9.3.1: Hayate for Free XP

[WascallyWabbit]

2 hours ago, gabberworld said:

expensive by what way? by play game? every battle what you make gives you free xp.

if you calculate that 2mil free xp for only real money then yes, maybe little bit  too expensive.

expensive is also make those ships and add them to game

 

The time and effort put into the game to generate 2 million FXP makes the ship expensive not in financial terms but in time and effort invested...so 2 million for that or any ship is extremely expensive. And he is right...2 T9's is a far better use of the FXP. And many of the t9's are probably better than this ship...id take Benham and JB over it everytime. In fact id take most of the T9's over this ship.

[gabberworld]

8 minutes ago, WascallyWabbit said:

The time and effort put into the game to generate 2 million FXP makes the ship expensive not in financial terms but in time and effort invested

 

correct, same goes for developers who make the ships for games.

 

make one 3d ship yourself in blender app for example and you fill see how long it takes

[AzwraithXD]

3 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

There is no hybrid DD for the IJN, so it's actually something special for IJN players, though the stats are not that great, it seems. With 5.9 concealment, it would be great.

Asashio, Harakaze, Kagero, Akizuki and soon Arashi

Harakaze is definitely a Hybrid DD.
When you compare that to the other ijn dds at T8. It's pretty interesting right?
You have access to 127 ijn guns like a kagero or 3 sets of Akizuki guns. Third option isn't worth talking about but it is there.
All the while having kagero stock torps. With low hp and low range as balance factors.
T8 has very interesting DDs for ijn.

Hayate on the other hand is a huge disappointment =/
Compared to the Shima
4 sec reload 127 ijn guns, extra 2900HP and tiny bit of increased AA
does not feel worth the trade of losing Concealment, -2kts top speed, turn circle, rudder shift, rack of 5 torps(while still having same reload as 15torp shima)

When i start comparing Hayate to other T10 DDs, i wind up wondering what is this ship's role even?
Somers does the same job as Shima, arguably better.
Every other T10 DD has roles or playstyles they fall into except for Gearing since it is a hybrid ship(imo it leans more as a Torpboat tho)
Gearing is a close analogy to Hayate i think, but Gearings better with Torp DPM, Knifefighting and with a smoke better suited for team play.
1v1 against another DD, who do i win against? the only ship that might fear hayate can outspot and outrun it(shima) and then every other DD can maul it in a 1v1 fight

I really like DD game play but I really have no idea on what might make this ship interesting or worth getting.

2million FXP doesn't help make me want it more either xD
 

[Spartan_Renegade]

I remember the time when 1M raised eyebrows and made people question the ship's worth for T9. Now you want us to spend twice that amount for a slightly worse tech tree counterpart for the sole status of Tier 10.   Anyway, I hope Hayate doesn't end up disappointing like Marceau. 

[Staines_upon_Thames]

Everybody was saying vote FREE XP, its easy to farm FREE XP. Now you all see how easy it is to get this FREE XP Ship. I voted for Coal.

[Zen71_sniper]

7 hours ago, LonesomePolecat said:

Agreed! Hands up who's got Marceau and happy wit her ;)

Me?

[gabberworld]

52 minutes ago, Staines_upon_Thames said:

Everybody was saying vote FREE XP, its easy to farm FREE XP. Now you all see how easy it is to get this FREE XP Ship. I voted for Coal.

 

you can buy with coal the free xp flags

[DEALCOI]

the proxim ship vote for COAL capatains.

[ZeroSkillPureLuck]

2 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

 

you can buy with coal the free xp flags

 

You can buy free XP with research points..

[gabberworld]

Just now, ZeroCommaZero said:

 

You can buy free XP with research points..

 

sure you can if you hurry

[ZeroSkillPureLuck]

1 minute ago, gabberworld said:

 

sure you can if you hurry

 

I am not. I bought Azuma Feb 20.. I already have 1.1M free XP.. I will get Smaland and Hayate eventualy once in the future.. I dont whine.

[Maris_Piper]

I do have to smile to myself, Players who voted Free XP, How much did you think WG were going to sell it for?

We know we have a T9 DD Friesland  for 1 million (at the time of the Vote) we now have Smaland at 2 million, Players have stumped up for it so WG will just keep doing it, I'm just waiting for the Free XP price for a T10 Battleship or Cruiser I'm sure plans are afoot.. That's how Wargaming roll nowadays, Why  some players are so Shocked baffles me 

[300ConfirmedKills]

Yes, it certainly is a lot easier to farm 2 million free XP than 250 000 coal - the approximate price of coal TX reward ships. Averaging 5000 free XP per game (very achievable number with some relatively modest boosts), you can earn the required amount in four hundred games. Aside from targeting the First Win of the Day bonuses, you can play these games as and when it suits you and if you stack boosts aggressively the number of games required can be significantly lowered. There isn't really any other 'exclusive' content competing for your free XP either.

Compare this with coal: the main way of obtaining coal is from 'More Resources' containers and the daily mission chains. Obtaining these perfectly will net you 275.33… coal per game, on average. At this rate it takes over 900 games to earn enough for a TX ship. Not only is that more than twice as many battles as the free XP option, but it is essentially impossible to obtain all of the required coal 'perfectly'. To do so, you need to earn 37 000 ship XP within six games (essentially necessitating premium time or using other XP boosts sub-optimally) and win four games in a row, each day for over 150 days. Indeed, it is impossible to accelerate your coal progress by playing more games, as that is the total amount of coal that can be earned per day. To top it off, there are all kinds of other drains on coal, such as super-upgrades, commanders and perhaps containers for unfinished collections.

Two million free XP for a TX ship is more expensive than I might have hoped, but I'm still glad the price is free XP and not coal.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 minutes ago, 300ConfirmedKills said:

Yes, it certainly is a lot easier to farm 2 million free XP than 250 000 coal - the approximate price of coal TX reward ships. Averaging 5000 free XP per game (very achievable number with some relatively modest boosts), you can earn the required amount in four hundred games. Aside from targeting the First Win of the Day bonuses, you can play these games as and when it suits you and if you stack boosts aggressively the number of games required can be significantly lowered. There isn't really any other 'exclusive' content competing for your free XP either.

Compare this with coal: the main way of obtaining coal is from 'More Resources' containers and the daily mission chains. Obtaining these perfectly will net you 275.33… coal per game, on average. At this rate it takes over 900 games to earn enough for a TX ship. Not only is that more than twice as many battles as the free XP option, but it is essentially impossible to obtain all of the required coal 'perfectly'. To do so, you need to earn 37 000 ship XP within six games (essentially necessitating premium time or using other XP boosts sub-optimally) and win four games in a row, each day for over 150 days. Indeed, it is impossible to accelerate your coal progress by playing more games, as that is the total amount of coal that can be earned per day. To top it off, there are all kinds of other drains on coal, such as super-upgrades, commanders and perhaps containers for unfinished collections.

Two million free XP for a TX ship is more expensive than I might have hoped, but I'm still glad the price is free XP and not coal.

5k average? I played yesterday with prem Camo and normal signal Fexp and got 500-1000 and I was always on the top score. Going with all Fexp boost that are available maybe, but I wouldn't waste those for normal games

[gabberworld]

8 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

5k average? I played yesterday with prem Camo and normal signal Fexp and got 500-1000 and I was always on the top score. Going with all Fexp boost that are available maybe, but I wouldn't waste those for normal games

streamer flamuu i see one day the 10k free xp at battle but he is cc so i guess he have some extra boosts what we not have

[Pikkozoikum]

11 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

streamer flamuu i see one day the 10k free xp at battle but he is cc so i guess he have some extra boosts what we not have

was it a Clan Battle?

[gabberworld]

8 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

was it a Clan Battle?

he plays mostly random battles, soo i'm quessing it was that, i only see the end results not the battle self

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/CarelessShortAniseSoBayed

[ElScorpion]

11 hours ago, WarshipFoxy said:

Anothertime the comunity got what they wanted and complains that WG doesn't listen to them....

CV's make them more accesable to players-->CV reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeework-->CV OP please nerf

Free xp is easy to farm they said--> voted for it--> got it --> Tooooooooooomuch free xp

and people wonder why things happen like the smolensk ?!

All i can say i will get her play a few games have fun with a game and that's it

we vote for free xp but not for 2M 

(MISOURI - KRONST kosts   900K -1M free xp)

so WHY 2M for a mediorce DD ?? the only reason is THE MILK !!

[androL7]

2M??? No way, for the same reason I am not using the reasearch bureau I am not buying ships at this prize, it is an insane grind, I ´d rather free XP almost 3 new tier X ships than use it on this..

[WarshipFoxy]

10 minutes ago, ElScorpion said:

we vote for free xp but not for 2M 

(MISOURI - KRONST kosts   900K -1M free xp)

so WHY 2M for a mediorce DD ?? the only reason is THE MILK !!

price for a Tier not for a ship.

[ElScorpion]

43 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

5k average? I played yesterday with prem Camo and normal signal Fexp and got 500-1000 and I was always on the top score. Going with all Fexp boost that are available maybe, but I wouldn't waste those for normal games

U need premium account, premium camo and tons of signals plus a really good game and ofc victory :)

 

[ElScorpion]

Just now, WarshipFoxy said:

price for a Tier not for a ship.

KRONNT and MISSURI is T9  if i remember correct 

[Greyshark]

43 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

5k average? I played yesterday with prem Camo and normal signal Fexp and got 500-1000 and I was always on the top score. Going with all Fexp boost that are available maybe, but I wouldn't waste those for normal games

 

33 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

streamer flamuu i see one day the 10k free xp at battle but he is cc so i guess he have some extra boosts what we not have

With camo and signals it's not that hard to get 10000 free xp in one battle:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[WarshipFoxy]

1 minute ago, ElScorpion said:

KRONNT and MISSURI is T9  if i remember correct 

yes thats why they are cheeper than a tier 10.....

[Tall_Toot]

What was that, a sale for permanent camo's of the Tier X's so you can play them without needing premium?

 

Oh, you said 'just another made up money sink', my hearing isn't what it used to be......