Russian Bias

[Camperdown]

2 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Russia liberated Europe? Damn, someone forgot to take his meds or drank too much of his vaunted "Russian spirit" (vodka).

 

Russian troops landed in Sicily and Normandy? Russian troops fought in the Ardennes and crossed the Rhine? Russian troops defended British airspace and protected US convoys? Oh, those lying history books, they omitted all those great deeds.

 

But well, nowadays you can't be sure if those Russian tourists at the Mediterranean beaches are really vacationing or invading.

I would like to suggest 2 things:

1: WWII caused over 55 million deaths and untold suffering. I don't think it is very respectful to start a pissing contest over this.

2: it is uncontested historical fact that the Soviet army broke German military power between 1942 and 1944. Check your facts please.

[Greyshark]

8 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

2: it is uncontested historical fact that the Soviet army broke German military power between 1942 and 1944. Check your facts please.

Then I’d suggest to check some facts about things that the Soviet army was doing before 1941 and after 1945 in some European countries.

[Camperdown]

10 minutes ago, Greyshark said:

Then I’d suggest to check some facts about things that the Soviet army was doing before 1941 and after 1945 in some European countries.

I am not saying I am a fan of the Soviet army in any way. I am not saying the Soviet army liberated Europe, because the Soviet army did not liberate, it conquered, crushed and suppressed. I think Stalin was as bad a criminal as Hitler and later Mao. His crimes were horrible and the Soviet army was his instrument.

 

However, the Soviet army did break the German army in WWII. Sure, Britain and the US did their part. But in the crucial years of 1942-1944 it was the Soviet army that did the hard work, and mostly on its own.

[Yaskaraxx]

28 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

I would like to suggest 2 things:

1: WWII caused over 55 million deaths and untold suffering. I don't think it is very respectful to start a pissing contest over this.

2: it is uncontested historical fact that the Soviet army broke German military power between 1942 and 1944. Check your facts please.

now ya are talking real history here: the Russian armies kept away several of the best German Armies from the West (enabling normandie & sicily invasions).Without the great Russian Army whole the West of Europe would be lost for sure!) Hell, I even wonder if i would have been born if the great Russian Army were not there to protect the West of Europe. So, yes I so much respect & value the great Russian people, I certainly do! Great, very, very great people, I thank them! We were saved by Russia (that is true history!)

 

 

Bye Yaskara XX ( i love ALL!)

[Greyshark]

3 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

I am not saying I am a fan of the Soviet army in any way. I am not saying the Soviet army liberated Europe, because the Soviet army did not liberate, it conquered, crushed and suppressed. I think Stalin was as bad a criminal as Hitler and later Mao. His crimes were horrible and the Soviet army was his instrument.

 

However, the Soviet army did break the German army in WWII. Sure, Britain and the US did their part. But in the crucial years of 1942-1944 it was the Soviet army that did the hard work, and mostly on its own.

Of course, it is true.

I think I'm half sleeping yet and misunderstood your previous post. Sorry.

 

[Yaskaraxx]

hell, i would not even be born ( and me little brother with me) if the great Russia army were not there. That's why i LOVE the russian people so, so much. They gave us LIFE itself. capisce? Be honost and give people who truly deserve tribute, when truely deserved, the great Russian people deserve such!!!! Anyway, I LOVE them, i realy do , I LOVE them for them givin me LIFE!

 

 

what is wrong with people nowadays? He? Cannot they absorb real historical facts? he? Just know the real "narrative" I am alive, only due to the great Russian people (I thank them for that!!!), pls, do understand such! and then you will evolve! Yaskara XX

 

[Marblehead_1]

12 hours ago, dunbine said:

not to mention that russia was at peace with japan, and ignored what they did to china , korea, vietnam... until the summer of 1945, when they suddendly became the best friends of those comrade nations

Peace for sure. Especially with Battles of Khalkin Gol and Lake Khasan, military aid to Kuomintang and Mao and soviet figter units in Kuomintang Air Force where for sure not against Japan... Soviets avoided open multi front fighting which always is bad idea.

 

Also funny fact. In Bari after Allied invasion on Italy stationed soviet fighter unit ( Yak-9DD - DD means abbreviation from Long Range ) used as help to Yugoslavian Resistance.

[Yaskaraxx]

7 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

hell, i would not even be born ( and me little brother with me) if the great Russia army were not there. That's why i LOVE the russian people so, so much. They gave us LIFE itself. capisce? Be honost and give people who truly deserve tribute, when truely deserved, the great Russian people deserve such!!!! Anyway, I LOVE them, i realy do , I LOVE them for them givin me LIFE!

 

 

what is wrong with people nowadays? He? Cannot they absorb real historical facts? he? Just know the real "narrative" I am alive, only due to the great Russian people (I thank them for that!!!), pls, do understand such! and then you will evolve! Yaskara XX

 

WWII. the Germans had massive armies, and the great Russian Armies broke the backbone of it all! Historical facts (remember gigantic tank batle at Kursk! etc.), without the great Russian Army, Sicily invasion + Normandy would have utterly failed...and I was not born, yes!

[Yaskaraxx]

4 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

WWII. the Germans had massive armies, and the great Russian Armies broke the backbone of it all! Historical facts (remember gigantic tank batle at Kursk! etc.), without the great Russian Army, Sicily invasion + Normandy would have utterly failed...and I was not born, yes!

but, far more important, leave the history be, let's truely honor the fallen ones, we so much liked, they gave their lifes, we always will honor them!!!. talkin big picture here. WE honor the FALLEN, and we will always do, is a matter of the true spirit! Last message, Yaskara XX ( and i indeed, I love ALL good spirits, eternal, yes, bye)

[Kejoz]

Is this some kind of a troll thread?

[Yaskaraxx]

what is wrong with me saying I truly value, truely appreciate, respect the Great Russian people(!), why i admire so much/ I am still a free speaking spirit/entity, so what is wrong with that? btw as tourist I soon go back Russia, seeing the great  sights with my girlfriend (she also appreciates the great Russian people, they are so warm, gentle) So I state such, all true to the bone, I love them. Just as the Russian people I am looking at the skies, wondering, well, we already have all all technology, so we go for it! As ONE SPIES in the vast GALAXY, will bind us all together! ONE SPECIES! Why wait any longer??? Yes!!!

[MadBadDave]

3 hours ago, Camperdown said:

I would like to suggest 2 things:

1: WWII caused over 55 million deaths and untold suffering. I don't think it is very respectful to start a pissing contest over this.

2: it is uncontested historical fact that the Soviet army broke German military power between 1942 and 1944. Check your facts please.

Solely because of the weather and a tiny little country which lost thousands of lives keeping the bear upright, (Atlantic convoys saved by the 7’s no less), and yet it seeks to repay by undermining and poisoning (in an English city), from that day to this.

 

I do wonder how close  the masters at WG are to that bastion of world peace, Bear Rambo.  Given that they deny , and we scoff about Bias, As mentioned 4 ships were featured 2 were Russian, they could have ditched the story about the best BB that never existed and extended the story of the boffers by then going on about the laffy and the effects of kamikaze’s and something a lot of DDs lack in game “decent AA”. Of course the Laffys not in game but Russian DDs are 😉.

 

The cinema Marathon just clearly highlights the difference between how WG see it ( that soviet naval power was supreme), while we and HISTORY states that Russia’s navy did less than Italy and France, Malta and Accrington Stanley etcetc, give it 5 years and only Russia fought and beat the Nazi’s on their own, kinda sounds like a Hollywood script 😉. 
 

Maybe Ramboski will give the world the true history of world war 1 and 2 comrade 

[Yaskaraxx]

1 minute ago, Yaskaraxx said:

what is wrong with me saying I truly value, truely appreciate, respect the Great Russian people(!), why i admire so much/ I am still a free speaking spirit/entity, so what is wrong with that? btw as tourist I soon go back Russia, seeing the great  sights with my girlfriend (she also appreciates the great Russian people, they are so warm, gentle) So I state such, all true to the bone, I love them. Just as the Russian people I am looking at the skies, wondering, well, we already have all all technology, so we go for it! As ONE SPIES in the vast GALAXY, will bind us all together! ONE SPECIES! Why wait any longer??? Yes!!!

I am a bit of this, true to the bone, may I?:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8

 

when I meet Russian mean i give very friendly handshake, when i meet the very beautiful Russian women, then i  kindly & very polite on distance  kiss their right hand as a tribute to them, may I?

[MadBadDave]

39 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

I am a bit of this, true to the bone, may I?:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8

 

when I meet Russian mean i give very friendly handshake, when i meet the very beautiful Russian women, then i  kindly & very polite on distance  kiss their right hand as a tribute to them, may I?

Russian women and outlying countries are truly beautiful, but ever hear the one about honey traps 😉.

 

Would the allies have won without Russia ?, NO, would Russia have won without the U.K ?. NO,  Battles like Kursk owed to soviet bravery and uncomplicated but very effective machinery (similar to Hurricane vs Spitfire),  had the Germans had more panthers and more reliable Tigers and

not been in the med, Scandinavia and Africa Kursk would’ve been different, the only thing that saved the Russians was the bad weather the Germans weren’t prepared for, a similar event to the Ardennes offensive which caught US and U.K. off guard, the only difference is the Germans didn’t end up how many miles from Moscow,  and then the good old west kept Russia alive with north cape supplies. 
 

With Dunkirk we even turned a defeat into a victory sank anything of note the Germans had, made the last ever BB, which still wasn’t as good as an Iowa and stopped Germany’s huge war machine from crossing the channel, Russia was merely saved by the weather.

[Peffers]

17 hours ago, Communist_Loli said:

If you actually take a look at how much materials the Soviets recieved from the Lend Lease programs vs how much the Soviets produced themselves, you'll find that it's actually a pretty negligible amount. I've attached the figures below.

 

Not only that, but the majority of the lend lease materials only really started coming in waves when the war was basically decided (from 1943 onwards) rather than when the Soviets really needed it the most in 1941 and 1942. That being said, the lend lease did provide immensely in the logistical department with trucks and food. But that's the point, the lend-lease was logistical in nature rather than militarily that a lot of people seem make it.

 

So to conclude, I'm not saying that the lend-lease didn't help, but many people seem to have the idea that the Soviets only defeated the Germans due to American/British lend-lease and "General Winter", which is an outdated assumption and simply not true. 

 

 

I would agree here are some relevant quotes from German and Russian individuals on the Artic Convoys.

[Hawker_gb]

7 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Russia liberated Europe? Damn, someone forgot to take his meds or drank too much of his vaunted "Russian spirit" (vodka).

 

Russian troops landed in Sicily and Normandy? Russian troops fought in the Ardennes and crossed the Rhine? Russian troops defended British airspace and protected US convoys? Oh, those lying history books, they omitted all those great deeds.

 

But well, nowadays you can't be sure if those Russian tourists at the Mediterranean beaches are really vacationing or invading.

All best that Wehrmacht and SS have was on Eastern front.

8 out of 10 German soldiers was eliminated by Soviets.

 

You know its not the same to fight against Volkssturm and Hitlerjugend or against likes "Das reich" and other elite.

 

And Normandy was evening tea when you compare it to Bagration or Stalingrad.

[Hawker_gb]

8 minutes ago, Peffers said:

I would agree here are some relevant quotes from German and Russian individuals on the Artic Convoys.

His numbers are correct.

Majority of "help" came 1943 when Soviets already start to have upper hand.

 

Beside,its not help. Soviet Union payed for all that.

Great Britain payed last tranche 2005 for that "help"

Its not help its selling of equipement

 

Not to mention that USA trading with Germany till 1941 (Metanol)

Or Sweden selling steel thru whole war.

 

You must know subject before entering discussion and you lack knowledge (its very obvious)

[CptBarney]

Im suprised this thread hasnt been gulag'd yet.

 

[_Teob_]

22 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Im suprised this thread hasnt been gulag'd yet.

 

Now it has.

 

This was an OK discussion to have as it's related to the game but once everyone starts to go heavily into politics, it becomes wholly irrelevant for this game.