Russian Bias

[Miragetank90]

5 minutes ago, Peffers said:

hm,mmm

 

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jk, it happens. 

[CptBarney]

9 minutes ago, Peffers said:

delete server issues

*pats peffers on teh ead*

 

don't tell me server hamsters went on strike, go ded or set the servers on fire again :/

[Communist_Loli]

1 hour ago, dunbine said:

Politic should be not mixed in a game

But indeed, what happened in the war should not be forgotten

While Russia was under siege by germans, Birtish and Americans bombed germany, took away axis planes, aa guns and troops from the russian front Just to defend their factories, while american cargo ships provided thousands of tanks, trucks, planes, rifles, radio, food... to the russia

Not to mention that British had the enigma code, and told russia the day Hitler planned a massive attack in the area of Kursk...

They won the war? Yeah

They would have won alone? 

Don't make me laugh

If you actually take a look at how much materials the Soviets recieved from the Lend Lease programs vs how much the Soviets produced themselves, you'll find that it's actually a pretty negligible amount. I've attached the figures below.

 

Not only that, but the majority of the lend lease materials only really started coming in waves when the war was basically decided (from 1943 onwards) rather than when the Soviets really needed it the most in 1941 and 1942. That being said, the lend lease did provide immensely in the logistical department with trucks and food. But that's the point, the lend-lease was logistical in nature rather than militarily that a lot of people seem make it.

 

So to conclude, I'm not saying that the lend-lease didn't help, but many people seem to have the idea that the Soviets only defeated the Germans due to American/British lend-lease and "General Winter", which is an outdated assumption and simply not true. 

 

 

[Yaskaraxx]

I risk being banned again for 1x full year by my arch enemy Excavatus again ( ik know such), still I give my last comment on this topic: in the West the normal people are NOT biassed vs Russia! Contrary to that: we so much like , respect, and value the great Russia people (real democracy, freedom of believe, family is cornerstone of society etc...all so great). Btw, WWII the Germans had to keep their best armies in the east (why was that??? hahaha, the great Russian people were coming, biggest tank battle in human history was fought at Kursk Germany vs Russia!!!!)). In fact Russian people liberated the whole of Europe (sadly, having immense Russian casualties! So regrettable, yes it is, but they, the great Russian people,  liberated Europe, Russia was the big force! Did any thank the great Russian people for doing so?) Last, atm Russia have a very great spirit (very good spirit) as their President, the great Vladimir Putin, and I also like him very, very much, very good man (= one with nature, a real human) such a great person, yes, bye, Yaskara XX (and I am a Dutch, many generations deep)..any land, population would like to have such a great president, we in the West can only dream of it, bye, Yaskara XX

 

[MadBadDave]

2 hours ago, Lebedjev said:

Excuse me, this subject is about the game WOWS or how well people think, they are the best history teatcher ?

Because that subject kinda stink.

We are all here because of a very good game that WG produces, there is no denying what the Russian Army and Air Force acheived during the 2 wars or of the losses RUSSIA sufferd, far more than the west combined, BUT we all know about Russia's open, friendly, non bullying and honest approach and respect for other nations, , and in this forum we all moan about the bias nature of soviet ships, which be honest are paper and op, which naturally they deny, shortly afterwards a nerf follows,  now this topic was posted as a result of watching WG's attempt at a fair and balanced series of documentaries, sorry mockumentaries,   watch all of it and you should come to the conclusion that Russia ruled the waves, they designed the very best BB, that a Russian DD saved the atlantic convoys and that generally this little island did as much as Russia actually did on the seas.   Which for me sums up and rubber stamps what we all moan about; WG's Bias.

 

It would be interesting to know what non brits think of the latest mini documentaries, and whether they come to the same conclusion, to recap how many ships featured?, how many Russian ?.  Yep total equality.

 

 

 

  

[MadBadDave]

8 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

I risk being banned again for 1x full year by my arch enemy Excavatus again ( ik know such), still I give my last comment on this topic: in the West the normal people are NOT biassed vs Russia! Contrary to that: we so much like , respect, and value the great Russia people (real democracy, freedom of believe, family is cornerstone of society etc...all so great). Btw, WWII the Germans had to keep their best armies in the east (why was that??? hahaha, the great Russian people were coming, biggest tank battle in human history was fought at Kursk Germany vs Russia!!!!)). In fact Russian people liberated the whole of Europe (sadly, having immense Russian casulaties! So regrettable, yes it is, but they liberated Europe, Russia was the big force! Did any thank the great Russian people for doing so?) Last, atm Russia have a very great spirit (very good spirit) as their President, the great Vladimir Putin,and I also like him very, very much, very good man (= one with nature), such a great person, yes, bye, Yaskara XX (and I am a Dutch, many generations deep)..any land, population would like to have such a great president, we in the West can only dream of it, bye, Yaskara XX

 

As mentioned the Soviets lost millions, after their Ally turned on them, without them would we have won ?,  don't know but the war would've gone on for years, ,but Berlin wall, Salisbury, Cyber threats, crimea, downed civy planes, territorial incursions by sea and air etc,etc,etc,   A very friendly country.

 

Now you would hope a game would be free of any politics, and you'd think a game based on world war 2 would be historically accurate, or near to it, Kremlin, Stalingrad, Smolensk, etc,etc,etc ?,  All op.     And then we wonder why WG don't respond in the forum or alters aspects of the game; MM, NOOBS, CV'S etc,etc that they could do, and easily.

[Yaskaraxx]

5 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

We are all here because of a very good game that WG produces, there is no denying what the Russian Army and Air Force acheived during the 2 wars or of the losses RUSSIA sufferd, far more than the west combined, BUT we all know about Russia's open, friendly, non bullying and honest approach and respect for other nations, , and in this forum we all moan about the bias nature of soviet ships, which be honest are paper and op, which naturally they deny, shortly afterwards a nerf follows,  now this topic was posted as a result of watching WG's attempt at a fair and balanced series of documentaries, sorry mockumentaries,   watch all of it and you should come to the conclusion that Russia ruled the waves, they designed the very best BB, that a Russian DD saved the atlantic convoys and that generally this little island did as much as Russia actually did on the seas.   Which for me sums up and rubber stamps what we all moan about; WG's Bias.

 

It would be interesting to know what non brits think of the latest mini documentaries, and whether they come to the same conclusion, to recap how many ships featured?, how many Russian ?.  Yep total equality.

 

 

 

  

well spoken. i myself never ever mix in political threads on any topics, but in this case: the Great Russian People suffered so much during WWII, then my believe forbids me not to react (and I do not even have a belief: I only know there is an infinite eternal good Entity, how it works? i do not know and there also is Evil, we fight Evil, we have to. The Russian people are so great, I know in the West the normal people (= me among millions of others) realy admire and respect the great Russian people (arts, books, science, chess!!, freedom of believe, freedom to explore, family being the cornerstone of society  etc.) such I admire and has to be named, stated in full, to also respect the fallen ones during WWII!) Fact is: human future is in the skies, space exploring, humanity will be one, ALL will be one! We are ONE species, bye, last comment, Yaskara XX

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 22 Minuten, Yaskaraxx sagte:

blablabla

I'm not sure if you were trying irony or sarcasm, but anyway - funny stuff, had a good laugh. But please do not post any more pictures from adult movies for men who love men here, because freedom loving Russia has a problem with that and might send you to Gulag. 

[CptBarney]

Alright ladz, nun-nights.

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

40 minutes ago, Communist_Loli said:

If you actually take a look at how much materials the Soviets recieved from the Lend Lease programs vs how much the Soviets produced themselves, you'll find that it's actually a pretty negligible amount. I've attached the figures below.

 

Not only that, but the majority of the lend lease materials only really started coming in waves when the war was basically decided (from 1943 onwards) rather than when the Soviets really needed it the most in 1941 and 1942. That being said, the lend lease did provide immensely in the logistical department with trucks and food. But that's the point, the lend-lease was logistical in nature rather than militarily that a lot of people seem make it.

 

So to conclude, I'm not saying that the lend-lease didn't help, but many people seem to have the idea that the Soviets only defeated the Germans due to American/British lend-lease and "General Winter", which is an outdated assumption and simply not true. 

 

 

Logistic is what moves an army, and russians did not produced much trucks or civilian veichles cause they converted every factory they had into military

Knowing enemy moves cause british tells you what germans are planning is a huge advantage

indeed, beliving that a war is won only by raw strenght is an Outdated assumption 

Still, german planes and men were scattered jn Europe defending italy, germany and france while russian often say they won "alone"

[Yaskaraxx]

5 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I'm not sure if you were trying irony or sarcasm, but anyway - funny stuff, had a good laugh. But please do not post any more pictures from adult movies for men who love men here, because freedom loving Russia has a problem with that and might send you to Gulag. 

you posted 1028 post, never ever being in the "environment: of being "funny". Some things one cannot be funny about, too serious, the WWII casualties on Russian front(!), did any thank them for their immense effords??? ehhh? , do NOT try to be funny of those fallen people, understand me (The Higher Entity forbids, good spirits FEEL such). Now, what did you post...aghh...let it be, not fact based and intersting at all, bye Yaskara XX (boy, never ever try for a battle against the Maestro, well, now I was quite "dimmed", i held the breaks, so to speak, bye

[triumphgt6]

This is a game - written by Russian developers who are clearly going to want Russian content and like all nationalities will have a view of history as told to them. Each of us will have different emphasis based on our education but anyone who has studied this period cannot deny the sacrifices made by the Russian/Soviet nation. I don't begrudge them a little bit of fantasy now. Although I think the allies would still have won, the war would have been far longer and maybe even nuclear in Europe. Thank goodness we were spared that. Having said that, the paper ships are just a bit silly as indeed are some of the other paper ships of other nations!

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 7 Minuten, Yaskaraxx sagte:

you posted 1028 post, never ever being in the "environment: of being "funny". Some things one cannot be funny about, too serious, the WWII casualties on Russian front(!), did any thank them for their immense effords??? ehhh? , do NOT try to be funny of those fallen people, understand me (The Higher Entity forbids, good spirits FEEL such). Now, what did you post...aghh...let it be, not fact based and intersting at all, bye Yaskara XX (boy, never ever try for a battle against the Maestro, well, now I was quite "dimmed", i held the breaks, so to speak, bye

[Communist_Loli]

3 minutes ago, dunbine said:

Logistic is what moves an army, and russians did not produced much trucks or civilian veichles cause they converted every factory they had into military

Knowing enemy moves cause british tells you what germans are planning is a huge advantage

indeed, beliving that a war is won only by raw strenght is an Outdated assumption 

Still, german planes and men were scattered jn Europe defending italy, germany and france while russian often say they won "alone"

I'm not downplaying the role of logistics in warfare, it's obviously one of if not the most important factor. When I said "logistical not militarily in nature", I meant that most of the equipments recieved were not tanks, guns, planes, etc. And don't forget that trucks weren't the only things used for moving armies and supplies, the Soviets employed horses in the millions for such tasks as well.

 

I can understand why seeing Russians who say they won "alone" would infuriate some people, as that's obviously not true and credit should be given where credit is due. The Western Allies did their share in stopping the German Reich.

 

But by the same coin, you can also see why many Russians are salty when they see that many people in the West still think that "Without the USA, the world would all be speaking German." Especially when it's common knowledge that the Soviets did most of the bloody work in the European theatre (8 out of 10 German casualties were at the hands of the Soviets).

 

 

 

[LeSnoet]

4 hours ago, Yaskaraxx said:

comes a time in your life you will understand the real facts; Yes the Russian people are great! I mean family cornerstone of society, free religion, free exploring, all free to explore. So, do not come to me with such a "topic" do not, we know better, I  am a Dutch (Netherlands) person (generations deep), so do not come ta me with such bs, pls do not. I admire the Russian people very highly, the arts, the science, the sports (chess!!!), evolution, striving for evolution in the vast Galaxy, as we humans are meant to do. That is the big picture here (overview). If you would ask me: do you love the russian people, then I respond immediately: "Yea!!!, i highly do, I admire them!!!" Look at the history of Russia my friend, the real history, then you know, and you will never ever forget! Yaskara XX

Ga jij eens heel snel je mond wassen! Met sambal 

 

Sorry for the Dutch language. 

[Lebedjev]

1 hour ago, MadBadDave said:

It would be interesting to know what non brits think of the latest mini documentaries, and whether they come to the same conclusion, to recap how many ships featured?, how many Russian ?.  Yep total equality.

 

Why we should end up with the same conclusion ?

I mean people can have a differant point of view (like it or hate it), if they end up by saying Soviet navy during WW2, yeah they could be right and if they do share that point of view with extra content, don't really see the problem. :/

 

Like they did research, they consult historien and they take time to do it, can you be disagree with their conclusion ? 

Of course, you can and you could share with other what you know, but you can't ask WG to do, what you really want...

 

If they do more Russian stuff, it's their choice, if you dislike it, why not be creative and do your own video about the topic you like ?

Oh and don't use green. :n

 

 

[Furius_Marius]

First of all! its an Arcade game, not a historical one. We will never know if ships like: Sov. Soyuz. or Stalingrad or Izmail would become great ships or a terrible one , because they were started but never finished . But we have to remember that the Soviet Union had great engineers (they went to space in the 50's for example). We have some ridiculous cases like Smolensk(that thing is just a joke). Brits have also quite OP PAPER ships like Thunderer. Americans too: Really Georgia, that speed with 18' guns in Iowa hull(but is fun). Its a Russian game. Yes the will pay more attention to Russian ships. American games pay more attention to american stuff. And Japanese... and so on. But come on! For 70 years we also saw how Hollywood just show us how Americans won the WWII almost alone. And they save everybody from the Nazis. Yes of course they were the main in Pacific( but brits, australians, dutch... also were there) And in Europe is very tipical the american centered movie were Soviets, brits, dutch, french... they are side characters. 

 

 

 

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

2 minutes ago, Furius_Marius said:

First of all! its an Arcade game, not a historical one. We will never know if ships like: Sov. Soyuz. or Stalingrad or Izmail would become great ships or a terrible one , because they were started but never finished . But we have to remember that the Soviet Union had great engineers (they went to space in the 50's for example). We have some ridiculous cases like Smolensk(that thing is just a joke). Brits have also quite OP PAPER ships like Thunderer. Americans too: Really Georgia, that speed with 18' guns in Iowa hull(but is fun). Its a Russian game. Yes the will pay more attention to Russian ships. American games pay more attention to american stuff. And Japanese... and so on. But come on! For 70 years we also saw how Hollywood just show us how Americans won the WWII almost alone. And they safe everybody from the Nazis. Yes of course they were the main in Pacific( but brits, australians, dutch... also were there) And in Europe is very tipical the american centered movie were Soviets, brits, dutch, french... they are side characters. 

 

 

 

there were  not many russian fighting in italy or france, were british and american were advancing, so is quite normal that russians did not appeared on movies together with american soldier fighting in those places

well... actually there were some russians fighting in france... but they were fighting for germans....

 

not to mention that russia was at peace with japan, and ignored what they did to china , korea, vietnam... until the summer of 1945, when they suddendly became the best friends of those comrade nations

[Lebedjev]

5 minutes ago, dunbine said:

not to mention that russia was at peace with japan, and ignored what they did to china , korea, vietnam... until the summer of 1945, when they suddendly became the best friends of those comrade nations

 

Yeah because have multiple front is alway the great recipe for success.

[Yaskaraxx]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

yr reaction depresses me: I in the past was in Moskow, i did not know, looked outwards hotel, so many people? So, me and my girlfriend went out, asked: "what's happening" was celebration of WWII winning, i still see the little kids remembring and crying for ther fallen Grandfathers, must say, I also had the tears in my eyes. After WWII there could not be found 1x family which did not suffer (=fatal death) in family. Yes, i like humor, but NOT about this, please do not. And yes: without the great Russian people involved Europe would be lost for sure (facts, history, though some evil ones try to re-write history? does not work!). But besides all of that: i simply experienced the Russian people as very nice, warm, elegantly, beautifully spirited people, I did from first moment. bye, Yaskara XX (...and please behave, honor the fallen, pls do, we all do, all over the world) Yaskara XX

[Yaskaraxx]

6 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Well also ignore that the USN lines and prems have some stupidly strong ships also.

funny way ya ta say "the Joker is loose again" (me) and he destroys? No nothing of the kind, no, no Better see it this ways:

 

 

so ya now realy, REALY(!), understand me, with love (spirit wise) Yaskara XX

 

[Bear__Necessities]

42 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

funny way ya ta say "the Joker is loose again" (me) and he destroys? No nothing of the kind, no, no Better see it this ways:

 

 

so ya now realy, REALY(!), understand me, with love (spirit wise) Yaskara XX

 

You don’t half type some utter shite 

[Yaskaraxx]

26 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You don’t half type some utter shite 

..but that is NOT me.... am totally different, totally, listen to this one, convinces you:

 

 

yes I had my strikes in past, yes, but not anymore. Cuz I liked & like this great game so much(!), best ever, Yaskara XX

[Yaskaraxx]

8 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

..but that is NOT me.... am totally different, totally, listen to this one, convinces you:

 

 

yes I had my strikes in past, yes, but not anymore. Cuz I liked & like this great game so much(!), best ever, Yaskara XX

did i convince you? (i realy hope so, so did I?)

[MementoMori_6030]

Russia liberated Europe? Damn, someone forgot to take his meds or drank too much of his vaunted "Russian spirit" (vodka).

 

Russian troops landed in Sicily and Normandy? Russian troops fought in the Ardennes and crossed the Rhine? Russian troops defended British airspace and protected US convoys? Oh, those lying history books, they omitted all those great deeds.

 

But well, nowadays you can't be sure if those Russian tourists at the Mediterranean beaches are really vacationing or invading.