WW1 Battleships that could Fit into the Game ?

[Sunleader]

I want to make a List of WW1 Ships which would Fit into the Game.

Pls note. That these Ships can be Fitted into One of Four Categories based on them having Capabilities required in the Game. Most Obvious one being Anti Air Defenses. But also Engine and Electronic System Upgrades.

 

A.

Ships that were Upgraded during or short before WW2 and thus had Capabilities that would allow them to be in the Game.

B.

Ships that had Plans for Upgrades to make them Viable in WW2 or short before WW2.

C.

Ships that could be Adjusted to have Capabilities of WW2 Ships even if no Real Plans Existed. (For example Potential Design Studies etc)

D.

Ships that due to their low Tier Expectation dont need the Capabilities otherwise Expected.

 

 

I am Gonna make the Start with 1 Ship of each Category.

Feel Free to Add Further Ships. If you are so Nice. List which Category you would see them in. And which Tier they could be added to.

(Despite the Title naming Battleship. Your also Free to Ships that are not Battleships. Albeit I wasnt able to Find much in this regard which would Work.)

 

 

 

1.

A Category A:

The Pre Dreadnought Class Battleship Line: Deutschland Class.

The Ships of this Class even tough they came from the First World War. Were still used even in WW2 and even all the way to the End of it. They received countless Upgrades and Modernizations during that Time.

 

They Started out with 2x2 28cm Guns, 14x1 17cm Guns, 22x8.8cm Guns and 6x45cm Torpedo Tubes. (3 on each side)

Late Ships Schlesien and Schleswig Holstein had 2x2 28cm Guns, 10x15cm Guns 4x88mm AA Guns and 4x37mm AA Guns or 2x28cm Guns, 4x88mm AA Guns and 20x20mm AA Guns.

 

There is also Several Category B: Configs available which received or were planned to receive 105mm AA Guns and other Weaponry like 50cm Torpedoes.

As well as in between Configurations which only had 4x88mm AA Guns but still carried the full Secondary Battery of 14x15cm or 17cm Guns :)

 

The Ships could easily be used as T4, T5 and T6 Supercruisers depending on the Modernization Stage used. And might even go into T7 when using the Planned Upgrades with 40mm Bofors and 105mm Multi Purpose Guns :)

 

 

2.

A Category B:

The Pre Dreadnought Class Battleship Line: Braunschweig Class.

The Ships of this Line also made it into WW2. But didnt get big Modernizations. Modernizations for Anti Aircraft and other things did Exist but were never done.

 

The Ship in its Original Loadout had 2x2 28cm Guns, 14x 17cm Guns and 14x 8.8cm Guns.

The Ship could be used in T4 when Mounted with some Light Anti Air Guns. And Probably T5 when giving it some 37mm and 88mm AA Mounts.

 

 

3.

A Category C:

The WW1 Battlecruiser Class. Moltke Class.

The Ships of this Line were in Service till short before WW2. And one Ship of the Class actually Remained in Service until 1950 in Turkey and was Present when the USS Missoury Visited Turkey :) 

 

The Ships made 25.5 Knots of Speed. And were Armed with 5x2 28cm Guns 12x15cm Guns and 12x88mm Guns as well as some Torpedoes.

Potential Upgrades with 88mm AA Guns as well as 37mm and 20mm AA Guns are Possible with the Ships Hull.

 

The Ship could easily Pose as a T6 Battleship when given some Paper Upgrades :)

 

 

4.

A Category D:

The WW1 Battlecruiser Class. Derfflinger Class.

The Ships which never really saw Action despite being actually Build. Were the First Ships to Resemble the later Common Traits of German Battleships.

 

They could go up to 26.5 Knots and were Equipped with 4x2 305mm Guns. As well as 12x15cm and 12x88mm Guns as well as Torpedoes.

The Ships could easily Serve as T4 Battleships in the Game.

 

 

 

 

Well then.

Your on ^^

 

 

Edit:

 

Current List.

 

Category A:

SMS-Schlesien

SMS-Schleswig Holstein

HMS-Repulse

HMS-Renown

HMS-Revenge

USSR-Yavuz

 

Category B:

SMS-Braunschweig

Navarin Project

 

Category C:

SMS-Moltke

Ersatz Yorck Project

L20ea/L24ea Project

IJN Tosa

Ausonia <--- Origin ???

HMS-Tiger

 

Category D:

SMS-Derfflinger

SMS-Lützow

SMS-Kronprinz

SMS-Seydlitz

Helgoland <--- Origin ?

SMS-Von der Tann

SMS-Blücher

HMS-Canopus

 

[1MajorKoenig]

Excellent Topic!

 

Cat A:

- Repulse (as sunk / T6)

- Renown 1944 (T6)

- Revenge (T6)

- Yavuz (T4 / ex-Goeben)

 

Cat C:

- Ersatz Yorck (T7)

- L20ea (T6 or T7 depending on assumed Refit)

- Tosa (T8)

- Ausonia (T4)

 

Cat D:

- SMS Lutzow (Prem T4 - as during Jutland Battle)

- SMS Kronprinz (T5 / historical correct ship)

- SMS Seydlitz (Prem T4)

- Helgoland (T4)

- SMS von der Tann (T3)

- SMS Blücher (T3 BB)

 

 

As you were asking only about Battleships - there are many more ships! Like S-113, H-145, etc.

 

 

Btw:

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

The WW1 Battlecruiser Class. Derfflinger Class.

The Ships which never really saw Action despite being actually Build. Were the First Ships to Resemble the later Common Traits of German Battleships.

 

They could go up to 26.5 Knots

 

WUT??! Never saw action...? 

 

You will hardly find ANY capital ship class with a similarly active service and combat success record! 

 

And btw these ships went about 28kn - the speed you Quote is under “Kriegsmeilenfahrt” in shallow water. Basically 1-2 kn lower than normal top speed.

[K82J]

22 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

The WW1 Battlecruiser Class. Derfflinger Class.

The Ships which never really saw Action despite being actually Build. Were the First Ships to Resemble the later Common Traits of German Battleships.

 

They could go up to 26.5 Knots and were Equipped with 4x2 305mm Guns. As well as 12x15cm and 12x88mm Guns as well as Torpedoes.

The Ships could easily Serve as T4 Battleships in the Game.

 

 

  I am pretty sure that Derfflinger and her sisters saw alot of action during WW1 ( Dogger Bank, Skagerrak, etc. ).

 

Edit : Got ninja'd, lol

[josykay]

I wouldn't even think, that L20e a would need a refit. It's AA would be a stinker, but who cares. So is it for Ashitaka.

Armed with 420mm guns, that should have probably similiar penetration values than Gneisenau's WW2 guns, up to depending which chard, 26,5 knots top speed, and unlike Ashitaka and Mutsu 350mm of belt armor + of course the 27 degree, 80 mm thick turtleback quite well armored.

Pisspoor turning radius certainly, since she is 238 meters long, which is 12 meters longer than Scharnhorst's waterline, and a sucking AA, as well as relativly weak deck armor as counterbalancing issues.

If WG goes REALLY troll, they use L24e a, which is similiar, except it has deckmounted torpedolaunchers to continue the german tradition.

 

Also, it would be a change, suddenly the germans bringing the biggest boomstick on that tier with them. Incidently, the 420mm guns are still the largest ordered naval guns in Germany ever, even being larger than H 39's 406mm guns.

[1MajorKoenig]

3 minutes ago, josykay said:

I wouldn't even think, that L20e a would net  a refit. It's AA would be a stinker, but who cares. So is it for Ashitaka.

Armed with 420mm guns, that should have probably similiar penetration values than Gneisenau's WW2 guns, up to depending which chard, 26,5 knots top speed, and unlike Ashitaka and Mutsu 350mm of belt armor + of course the 27 degree, 80 mm thick turtleback quite well armored.

Pisspoor turning radius certainly, since she is 238 meters long, which is 12 meters longer than Scharnhorst's waterline, and a sucking AA, as well as relativly weak deck armor as counterbalancing issues.

If WG goes REALLY troll, they use L24e a, which is similiar, except it has deckmounted torpedolaunchers to continue the german tradition.

 

Also, it would be a change, suddenly the germans bringing the biggest boomstick on that tier with them. Incidently, the 420mm guns are still the largest ordered naval guns in Germany ever, even being larger than H 39's 406mm guns.

 

A 1920 L20/L24 would be an instant buy for me!

[invicta2012]

A. HMS Repulse. Been discussed plenty over the years. A perfect Tier VI. 

 

B. Navarin. A post WW1 project for a modernised Izmail class Battlecruiser with 4 x twin 16 inch gun turrets. Tier VII?

 

C. HMS Tiger. Discarded in 1932 due to treaty limitations, but still every bit as valid a capital ship as the retained Repulse and Renown (which were only three years older). The Royal Navy kept the Revenge class battleships because of their 15 inch guns, and then spent most of WW2 trying to find things to do with them - too slow to engage enemy capital ships, vulnerable to submarines and aircraft. Tiger - capable of cruising at 24 knots, keeping up with a modern carrier centred fleet - would have been a better bet. We have the work done on Renown/Repulse and the planned Hood refurb to see what could have been done to the ship.

 

D. HMS Canopus. A Tier II British pre-Dreadnought. Four 12 inch guns in two turrets, a number of 6 inch secondaries and various fast-firing 3 inch anti-torpedo boat guns. Famously missed the Battle of Coronel for being too slow, was grounded as a shore battery and fired the first shots of the Battle of the Falkland Islands. Later accompanied HMS Queen Elizabeth to bombard the Dardanelles during the Gallipoli campaign.

[pzkpfwv1d]

12 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

C. HMS Tiger. Discarded in 1932 due to treaty limitations, but still every bit as valid a capital ship as the retained Repulse and Renown (which were only three years older). The Royal Navy kept the Revenge class battleships because of their 15 inch guns, and then spent most of WW2 trying to find things to do with them - too slow to engage enemy capital ships, vulnerable to submarines and aircraft. Tiger - capable of cruising at 24 knots, keeping up with a modern carrier centred fleet - would have been a better bet. We have the work done on Renown/Repulse and the planned Hood refurb to see what could have been done to the ship.

HMS Tiger was scrapped in 1922 not 1932 under the Washington Treaty Age clause

HMS Renown and HMS Repulse were not older than HMS Tiger 

HMS Tiger was 28knts not 24knts

[annoyedgrunt]

1 hour ago, pzkpfwv1d said:

HMS Tiger was scrapped in 1922 not 1932 under the Washington Treaty Age clause

HMS Renown and HMS Repulse were not older than HMS Tiger 

HMS Tiger was 28knts not 24knts

N,o she was scrapped in 1932. She was kept as a training ship but could be brought back into commission as happened when HMS Hood went into refit until 1931.

[invicta2012]

5 hours ago, pzkpfwv1d said:

HMS Tiger was scrapped in 1922 not 1932 under the Washington Treaty Age clause

HMS Renown and HMS Repulse were not older than HMS Tiger 

HMS Tiger was 28knts not 24knts

Hello. I meant that Renown was three years younger than Tiger.... sorry!  The point was that the last of the Splendid Cats was not especially old, outdated or battle scarred by 1930; the fact that she survived the post WW1 cull of the fleet is telling. And 24kts refers to her cruising speed - her maximum was approx 28/29kt - and I was trying to point out the utility of that during early WW2, when British Naval operations were constantly disrupted being the low speed of their battleships.  Of course the Admiralty assumed they would have the three intial KGVs, Hood, Renown and Repulse.... by 1941 they could well have done with another fast ship.

[Kruzenstern]

19 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

- SMS Blücher (T3 BB) 

 

Noooo.... Blücher should be a .... Tier 3 Supercruiser!

[Sunleader]

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Editing Opening Post with the List so far

[Sunleader]

On 4/21/2020 at 9:03 PM, 1MajorKoenig said:

As you were asking only about Battleships - there are many more ships! Like S-113, H-145, etc.

 

 

As mentioned in the OP.

Other Ships are fine too.

I just mostly Focus Battleships because they are the easiest to make work in WoWs.

Since Cruisers in alot of cases tend to be T1-2 stuff with 10-17cm Single Guns mounted all over the Ship.

 

Something that might work is the Armored Cruisers.

SMS-Blücher (6x2 21cm Guns)

SMS-Fürst Bismarck (2x2-24cm Guns)

SMS-Roon  (2x2 21cm Guns)

SMS-Scharnhorst (2x2 21cm Guns and another 4x1 21cm Guns

 

Most of them could become T4 to T5 Heavy Cruisers without much need of Adjustments.

[1MajorKoenig]

7 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

SMS-Scharnhorst (2x2 21cm Guns and another 4x1 21cm Guns

 

While WG Doesn’t like ships with only four main guns such as Adalbert, Roon Minotaur and the likes there is no excuse not to bring Scharnhorst. She has plenty of main guns. However - with 21cm guns she is somewhat between low tier BBa and Cruisers. Likely she would need to be brought as low tier BB (T2 even?) her armament is quite strong for a low tier cruiser 

[1MajorKoenig]

On 4/21/2020 at 8:42 PM, Sunleader said:

USSR-Yavuz

 

Yavuz is SMS Goeben’s Name after  being handed over to the Ottoman Navy. Nothing to do with the Soviet Union other than that she fought Tsarist Russian Ships in WW1 and was instrumental to get Turkey into the war

 

 

On 4/21/2020 at 8:42 PM, Sunleader said:

Ausonia <--- Origin ???

 

Ausonia is a planned WW1 carrier project. Actually a conversion. Would be hilarious with Fokker D VIIs 

 

On 4/21/2020 at 8:42 PM, Sunleader said:

Helgoland <--- Origin

 

SMS Helgoland was the second Imperial German Dreadnought Type after Nassau. These were essentially larger, better ships with similar hexagonal layout but they well known 30.5cm L/50 guns but still triple extension steam machine. The follow up, the Kaisers had turbines already 

[MementoMori_6030]

HMS Agincourt. 14 guns, no more reasons needed.

[pzkpfwv1d]

22 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

SMS Helgoland was the second Imperial German Dreadnought Type after Nassau. These were essentially larger, better ships with similar hexagonal layout but they well known 30.5cm L/50 guns but still triple extension steam machine. The follow up, the Kaisers had turbines already 

Triple Expansion not Triple Extension

[1MajorKoenig]

2 hours ago, pzkpfwv1d said:

Triple Expansion not Triple Extension

 

Correct thanks 

[pzkpfwv1d]

On 4/23/2020 at 6:49 AM, MementoMori_6030 said:

HMS Agincourt. 14 guns, no more reasons needed.

14 x 12" in seven twin turrets

20 x 6" secondary in sponsons

10 x 3" tertiary/AA guns

[Maris_Piper]

On 4/21/2020 at 8:04 PM, K82J said:

I am pretty sure that Derfflinger and her sisters saw alot of action during WW1 ( Dogger Bank, Skagerrak, etc. ).

Yes they did see action they were intercepted after shelling some seaside resorts on the UK's  East Coast, I'm sure that's where Blucher was lost after a hard battle against over whelming odds, Wasn't that one of Beatty's  up's??? 

Please don't add HMS Renown into the game, What WG would do to her makes me shudder