tis will be interesting...real DD vs BB

[citaDELer]

when DD will shoot like 24h on BB in real life..will actualy hurt BB? 

in game its realtively easy for DD to kill BB with cannons---- its near to reality? 

 

 

and maybe its time to reset it..and do it extremly hard for DD cannos to kill BB...

[Spartan_93]

It would be great (and realistic) when BBs don't survive a half dozen torp hits, or?

[MementoMori_6030]

If you hit the same spot often enough, you will eventually penetrate it. Erosion. Rock gets punctured by water and wind, safety glass by bullets if they hit the same spot several times... armor is no different. Minimal damage accumulates to a critical level sooner or later.

[citaDELer]

no torps. i mean only DD cannons. only cannons

[Kejoz]

Short answer is nope, even cruisers were too much for destroyers. Sinking a battleship with destroyer guns was impossible. Of course if WoWs tryhards were to become destroyer captains, they would lower battleship crews morale by calling them BBabies, crying crewmen would be unable to fight back so they would just abandon their battleship.

[Aetius85]

Apart the consideration that Wows is not a simulator but an arcade, so no comparisons should be done with reality..I think a DD could damage a BB, firing to superstructures with HE shells could generate fires, kill the crew, maybe destroy AA or small calibers artillery. As fires are one of the most dangerous enemies for a ship, your answer depends if the BB is a static abandoned target and dd has all the time he needs or not...

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, citaDELer said:

when DD will shoot like 24h on BB in real life..will actualy hurt BB? 

in game its realtively easy for DD to kill BB with cannons---- its near to reality? 

 

 

and maybe its time to reset it..and do it extremly hard for DD cannos to kill BB...

Depends on the distance.

Continued DD fire will eliminate all radar and ranging equipment on the BB, making it a giant with no eyes.

There is also the risk of fires.

Should the BB start burning, it will become a floating wreck after 24h.

[Bratoev]

What will happen is what should happen to the DD against any decent BB in game. Get blown out of the water with high caliber HE.

Then there is USS Johnston and HMS Glowworm. 

[Cpt_Andre]

A mission kill (destroying range finders / fire directors) could be possible

 

But this not how it "worked"

If you, in a DD, want to kill an BB you use torpedos, not your guns

If you, infantry, want to kill a tank you use anti-tank missiles, not your automatic rifle

if you, SEAD jet pilot, want to kill a SAM you use HARM missiles, not your auto-canon

 

Yes u have guns, rifles and canons, but they are for other kinds of threat/targets.

 

But WOWs is not a simulation

[Kiagy]

You might find this interesting...

 

NO RADAR

 

 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 12 Minuten, Aetius85 sagte:

Apart the consideration that Wows is not a simulator but an arcade, so no comparisons should be done with reality..I think a DD could damage a BB, firing to superstructures with HE shells could generate fires, kill the crew, maybe destroy AA or small calibers artillery. As fires are one of the most dangerous enemies for a ship, your answer depends if the BB is a static abandoned target and dd has all the time he needs or not...

Just shoot the rudder when the BB is on collision course with a rock. Steering with engines will only get it so far.

[Jethro_Grey]

56 minutes ago, citaDELer said:

when DD will shoot like 24h on BB in real life..will actualy hurt BB? 

in game its realtively easy for DD to kill BB with cannons---- its near to reality? 

 

 

and maybe its time to reset it..and do it extremly hard for DD cannos to kill BB...

Did a DD gun you down in your BB? ^^

[Bratoev]

This seems appropriate: 

 

[Fat_Maniac]

1 hour ago, citaDELer said:

when DD will shoot like 24h on BB in real life..will actualy hurt BB? 

in game its realtively easy for DD to kill BB with cannons---- its near to reality? 

 

 

and maybe its time to reset it..and do it extremly hard for DD cannos to kill BB...

Sorry but this is not a simulation, it's an arcade game. The mantra used to be rock, paper, scissors. Everything should be able to counter something. WoWS stretches this so in theory everything can counter everything else. Of course the whole national bias / class imbalance / current meta variables cloud this somewhat. However a good player should be able to take any class of ship out and be an effective counter to any other class, that's the theory, and it makes for good game play and encourages all classes to be played. Before some smart mouthed person jumps in, I'll say that CV's don't seem to fit this rule, or should I say a good portion of the player base doesn't think it does.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 9 Minuten, Fat_Maniac sagte:

Sorry but this is not a simulation, it's an arcade game. The mantra used to be rock, paper, scissors. Everything should be able to counter something. WoWS stretches this so in theory everything can counter everything else. Of course the whole national bias / class imbalance / current meta variables cloud this somewhat. However a good player should be able to take any class of ship out and be an effective counter to any other class, that's the theory, and it makes for good game play and encourages all classes to be played. Before some smart mouthed person jumps in, I'll say that CV's don't seem to fit this rule, or should I say a good portion of the player base doesn't think it does.

Will be funny to see how BBs handle submerged submarines. With carriers and subs the rock, paper, scissors thing will need to have Spock and lizard added,.

[AnotherDuck]

Sure, a real DD wouldn't be that much of a threat to a BB, but considering that ships in WoWs cost approximately the same, while BBs IRL were vastly more expensive than DDs, you would really expect that a BB-priced DD would be able to hurt a BB significantly.

 

31 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

The mantra used to be rock, paper, scissors.

Problem with that is that DDs don't actually counter BBs. If that was actually the case, DDs would have the highest average damage of all ship types, but they have the lowest. Lower than the lowest HP BB of the tier, I believe I've read somewhere.

[Yedwy]

@OP If we are talking about artillery age DD vs a BB (time period of the game) and take into account limited ammo and reality of the naval warfare - hardly, while theoretically it would be possible (nearly anything is possible just jot very probable) it is unlikely that a single DD would be able to win a gun engagement vs a capital ship, not that any sane captain of a DD would ever seek combat in the given circumstances anyways, at least not unless its the only available course of action...

 

A much more likely scenario of say a WW2 era 1on1 "random encounter" would be DD breaking off and maintaining either radar or intermittent visual contact at max spotting range and radio in the location and course of the BB to the fleet HQ, which would either assemble and send an adequate surface strike force or a naval aviation force to wipe the BB out or render it wulnerable to torpedo strike by a destroyer...

[Vbeest]

If torpedoes are excluded from this consideration, then by no means a DD would have any chance to issue any major damage to a capital ship. Even in the case of the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, when Hiei received many hits from very close distance from DDs, it was the gunnery of CA San Francisco that issued the meaningful damage to Hiei.

 

And this needs to be stressed - exactly opposite vs. the game - bigger ships with bigger guns were much more accurate and examples from WW2 showed clearly that hitting even maneuvering DDs was most of the time a matter of time.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Vbeest said:

If torpedoes are excluded from this consideration, then by no means a DD would have any chance to issue any major damage to a capital ship.

That is not true for the proposed scenario. 24h bombardment with DD guns from a reasonable distance make any BB a mission kill.

[CptBarney]

Play Ultimate admiral dreadnoughts then. Or warthunder, or similar.

[Vbeest]

18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That is not true for the proposed scenario. 24h bombardment with DD guns from a reasonable distance make any BB a mission kill.

 

Is this a realistic scenario? You mean, BB would not respond to the gunfire? You prevent BB's captain to fire? It would serve as a target practice? Even then, it would just sail away, as no damage to its internals could be issued. You prevent the BB to use its propulsion? Even then, it would not be sunk before the DD runs out of ammo.

 

You provide unlimited ammo supply to a DD? The gun barrels would be worn out after several hundreds of shots... I mean, you can clearly see how pointless this hypothetical discussion is.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Vbeest said:

 

Is this a realistic scenario? You mean, BB would not respond to the gunfire? You prevent BB's captain to fire? It would serve as a target practice? Even then, it would just sail away, as no damage to its internals could be issued. You prevent the BB to use its propulsion? Even then, it would not be sunk before the DD runs out of ammo.

 

You provide unlimited ammo supply to a DD? The gun barrels would be worn out after several hundreds of shots... I mean, you can clearly see how pointless this hypothetical discussion is.

that was the scenario

does not matter if that is realistic

[Bratoev]

21 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

warthunder

You can get the full Warthunder naval experience by playing Co-op in WoWs. ;)

[Cyclops_]

Got to be done 

 

[Fat_Maniac]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Will be funny to see how BBs handle submerged submarines. With carriers and subs the rock, paper, scissors thing will need to have Spock and lizard added,.

Ahh another Sheldon Cooper fan