Thunderer should been nerfed just as Kremlin.

[Puffin_]

 Now when kremlin god weird dispersion at short-mid range (when the sigma was nerfed there has been lot more of shotgun dispersion) 

It is time to nerf Thunderer guns

You take huge risks going in close in a BB and should not have to deal with broken sniping abilities of Thunderer 

Thunderer is overpowered. It is time for sigma nerf on these guns. 

[DaMaGGo]

Dear player.

 

No

 

Sincerely yours

 

Spreadsheet

[Captain_Singleton]

24 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

 Now when kremlin god weird dispersion at short-mid range (when the sigma was nerfed there has been lot more of shotgun dispersion) 

It is time to nerf Thunderer guns

You take huge risks going in close in a BB and should not have to deal with broken sniping abilities of Thunderer 

Thunderer is overpowered. It is time for sigma nerf on these guns. 

not going to happen, they don't nerf coal ships, they just remove them from the armoury...

[Miscommunication_dept]

I expect it will disappear from the armoury sometime soon.

Next coal ship coming is apparently a T10 German BB, would make sense to remove Thunderer at this point.

 

The German BB hasn't been seen yet but one thing I can assure you is that it will NOT have accurate guns.

[mariouus]

37 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

Now when kremlin god weird dispersion at short-mid range (when the sigma was nerfed there has been lot more of shotgun dispersion) 

When did they change sigma on Kremlin?

[Peffers]

9 minutes ago, mariouus said:

When did they change sigma on Kremlin?

after Christmas for the uber massive 0.05 sigma

 

[lossi_2018]

Nerf everythin

 

It is time

[DFens_666]

Contrary to Kremlin, Thunderer has atleast no armor to speak of.

Covered in 32mm of armor makes you a juicy target for HE (with a relatively small healthpool for TX BBs), and you dont have a superheal like Conqueror.

Also the citadel is easier to hit and punch through.

 

Is it a strong ship? No doubt, but if you nerf the guns then you have a crap ship in the end. And we dont need to nerf its guns and buff the armor in return, we have plenty of retard BBs already.

[IanH755]

I wouldn't say that the "ship" itself is OP but the guns are definitely some of the best. However the rest of ship has so many weaknesses that, even though the guns are fantastic, the ship overall drops to just Very Good rather than OP.

[Bratoev]

Could you show us on the design documents of your ship where the Thunderer touched you?

[pra3y]

<Laughs in Republic>

[lossi_2018]

6 minutes ago, Bratoev said:

where the Thunderer touched you?

[thisismalacoda]

Thunderer underperforms in Randoms.

Thunderer underperformed in Ranked. Actually among the 9 participating BBs in Season 15, she snuck in last place with below 48% WR.

 

Sorry about interrupting a good rant with facts.

[Lord0]

23 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Contrary to Kremlin, Thunderer has atleast no armor to speak of.

Covered in 32mm of armor makes you a juicy target for HE (with a relatively small healthpool for TX BBs), and you dont have a superheal like Conqueror.

Also the citadel is easier to hit and punch through.

 

Is it a strong ship? No doubt, but if you nerf the guns then you have a crap ship in the end. And we dont need to nerf its guns and buff the armor in return, we have plenty of retard BBs already.

Agree. It's not tanky at all, more like a heavy cruiser. All it has is the guns. Def AA - haha, I'll crack the jokes

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Is any ship really OP? One guy can take the Thunderer out and do miracles in it, another guy, (usually me) can't do jack in it, just more of the less is better in my case definitely not.

[HaachamaShipping]

Nerfs? That'd imply that the devs admit the ship is too strong and the community to care. Neither is the case, because Thunderer is "just strong", it's "punishable" and "only has its guns". If it wasn't in a class that attracts poor players, is expected to be stupidly dangerous and has a restriction on how many you can field in competitive, if Thunderer was less conventional looking and Russian, people might care, but as it is...

 

Expect it to be pulled at some point and that's it.

[CptBarney]

From what i've heard shes the most OP ship in the game, sounds like she needs some tuning down (basically nerfs). Maybe fire rate and/or accuracy nerfs.

@Bunny_Lover_Kallen I forgot what else makes Thunderer really strong besides the guns.

[invicta2012]

5 minutes ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

if Thunderer was less conventional looking and Russian, people might care, but as it is...

That's WG's fault. There haven't been loads of ludicrously OP Royal Navy Test ships sent out for public scrutiny. If WG don't like Russian Bias accusations then they really need to put a bit of QC on their Soviet designs before they get given to the public, because they've not made this mistake once, it's been three, four, five times:  add that to the several rather OP Soviet ships in the game and the curious imbalance in nerfing between different nations and you have a meme. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

23 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

From what i've heard shes the most OP ship in the game, sounds like she needs some tuning down (basically nerfs). Maybe fire rate and/or accuracy nerfs.

@Bunny_Lover_Kallen I forgot what else makes Thunderer really strong besides the guns.

It’s also got incredible manueverability.

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, gopher31 said:

It’s also got incredible manueverability.

Oh yeah forgot about that part.

[HaachamaShipping]

8 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

From what i've heard shes the most OP ship in the game, sounds like she needs some tuning down (basically nerfs). Maybe fire rate and/or accuracy nerfs.

@Bunny_Lover_Kallen I forgot what else makes Thunderer really strong besides the guns.

Dunno if most OP, but if it ever gets anything changed, reload, rudder shift, turret traverse are good starting points. Alternatively, reducing the effectiveness of the repair party or nerfing concealment.

5 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

That's WG's fault. There haven't been loads of ludicrously OP Royal Navy Test ships sent out for public scrutiny. If WG don't like Russian Bias accusations then they really need to put a bit of QC on their Soviet designs before they get given to the public, because they've not made this mistake once, it's been three, four, five times:  add that to the several rather OP Soviet ships in the game and the curious imbalance in nerfing between different nations and you have a meme. 

That's not a valid excuse for anything, but sure.

[Humorpalanta]

I am not a good player. I am just an average who likes to have fun and challenge himself.

 

I do not own Thunderer nor Kremlin.

 

Whenever I play ships and I meet a Thunderer I am not afraid. I know that they can be dealt with. Sure they can put you on fire but they are so easily citadelled, HE-d and burnt down, they are also sluggish so can be torped and eat a ton of damage. Like a couple of days ago I just met one in my Missouri. Burnt me down to 20% but a good volley from me took 90% of his HP and the next guy finished him. Sure, I felt it, but could take care of.

 

Kremlin, on the other hand. I fear it like it was Voldemort. I see one and I get the hell away from there. If I am in a DD he snipes me. If I am in a cruiser oneshots me. (angle doesn't count) When in one game a BB, me in my Zao and 2 DDs got face to face with him and a DD. No island to use, no smoke to receive. If i turn, Kremlin blaps me. So I was trying to show the least from the ship hoping. He hit and oneshot me. Met Kremlin broadside in a BB. 3 full salvos, did not lose 50% of his health.

 

Hell naw. They are not even close my friend. Kremlin is crazy OP. Somehow like CV>Smolensk>Kremlin>Stalingrad.............>Thunderer.

[Miscommunication_dept]

2 minutes ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Dunno if most OP, but if it ever gets anything changed, reload, rudder shift, turret traverse are good starting points. Alternatively, reducing the effectiveness of the repair party or nerfing concealment.

If they were going to nerf it I think that would be the right way to go about it so it could keep its unique guns.

I’m still not certain it’s OP as it is vulnerable to both AP and HE.

 

I’m sure the spreadsheet has the answer.

[lossi_2018]

17 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

Kremlin, on the other hand. I fear it like it was Voldemort.

[HaachamaShipping]

15 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

If they were going to nerf it I think that would be the right way to go about it so it could keep its unique guns.

I’m still not certain it’s OP as it is vulnerable to both AP and HE.

 

I’m sure the spreadsheet has the answer.

Smolensk at every point was a fragile cruiser that had no hp pool, no reinforced plating, a citadel that can be HE penned by most T10 BBs, no HE pen itself, yet people decried it as OP and still do, because it has monstrous fire chance and was stupidly tanky for what it should be, due to small size, good maneuverability and a smoke. Thunderer similarly, on paper, seems fragile with its underwhelming hp pool, not superheal and poor plating (for a BB), but pretty much in every category except for armour plating, the ship gets help to stay alive. It has improved repair (with shortened CD, which if Massa vs NC shows us anything is not exactly worse than having more hp repaired), meaning it isn't even the lowest effective hp pool of T10 among BBs (The Bourgogne is lower, Repu is about same), it has insanely good concealment, rudder shift on cruiser level, its defAA isn't very useful, but still makes the AA one of the best BB AA suites there is and while the armour scheme certainly does not hold up to prolonged bombardement with HE or Yamato AP, angled it still doesn't take a lot of AP damage (32 mm plating is still 32 mm plating, 406 mm citadel belt is 406 mm citadel belt) and the means to go dark, disengage, kite, dodge at range and still stay a threat at range, due to insane accuracy and good ammunition choice means that in practice, a well-played Thunderer has much more tankiness than the stats on paper would imply.

 

Thunderer at range, is a potentially much more frightening foe than Conqueror, because the accuracy compensates shell count, the reload is better, the AP stays more potent, while at close range, if you cannot focus it down with multiple ships, the great turret traverse, great rudder shift, fast repair, good concealment to sneak up, reliable accuracy and good AP and HE make it an actually decent ship.

 

Kremlin so far overshadowed the Thunderer due to its absurd tankiness, coupled with a great set of guns, but as long as Smolensk is argued to be OP, Thunderer is OP. Just one got actual nerfs, the other did not. And one ship gets all the hate, the other gets the treatment we see in this thread.