Is WG forced player to pay to have correct treat ?

[Dragontrn]

Hi guys, i just started this game 3 month ago(16/01) and i played alot (about 2k game now). 

 

I like this game because i played Navy field before, it give me some good memory from old days, I've been playing with premium since i started and to day my premium just run out. I just finish a game with 150k dmg, not too good but not bad for an average player, and i  received -80k credit, i only have 1 premium consumable on my T10 ship. It make me feel like WG is forcing player to pay to get decent treat from this game, it is seriously ridiculous.

 

 

[Verblonde]

18 minutes ago, Dragontrn said:

i  received -80k credit

Which tier were you playing? F2P starts to require a better performance to make useful silver from about T8. With premium account, it tends to be about a tier higher.

 

The other thing to keep an eye on is that relative damage rewards you better than purely bigger damage numbers i.e. if you take 10K hp off a BB, you'll earn rather less than if you take the same damage off something small like a DD.

 

Basically, the game is built to strongly encourage you to pay for things like premium time at the higher tiers. A decent F2P player can make a profit, but they'll often have to play more at mid tier to generate extra silver; you have to be pretty good to consistently make a profit at high tiers on a F2P basis.

 

BTW in an upcoming patch, premium consumables are scheduled to become free, which should also help.

 

If you do feel the urge to spend real money, premium time is the most useful thing to buy as it works on every battle you play; besides that, premium ships can be useful if you play them a lot (the most cost-effective method is to get one of the T9s that you can pick up for coal/free xp - they're some of the best earners in the game and only cost the time it takes to earn the relevant resource).

 

I used to also suggest considering permaflage for your favourite T10 silver ships, as this turns their economy into something not too far from a premium (although the semi-premium T10s are certainly better in this regard, as they have reduced service costs); in some regards I still do think T10 permaflages can be worthwhile, but recent events suggest that the long-term value of these just nose-dived (familiarise yourself with the Moskva row that blew up over the last few days for why) - only buy one if you think you'll get good value from the spend in maybe 3-6 months, just in case WG pull another 'Moskva' on you (plus, your T10 might get nerfed which is another consideration).

[Dragontrn]

What u just tell me is confirmed what i said xD, WG make you pay this way or anothers, premium ship, permaflage, premium sub, ect...

I was played full T10 ships battle, i forgot to mentioned that i lost that game, but cmon, what is the point of grinding to Tier 10 ship to discourage to play.

And research bureau for unique upgrade is another way to make player to pay for grinding. Luckily i got my unique upgrade for my montana before 9.1 but it really discourage me to grind for 5 tier 10 ships. the xp seem ok but about the credit......

I already spent 200$ in this game already 

I just finished another game with victory but only 76k dmg and -100k silver =)))

[lossi_2018]

t10 is unplayable without premium account for most people. Only old timers with millions of creds can do it or the very few people that top the charts (unicums). It is extremely difficult to make creds in t10 unless you play great and constantly winning. In other words it is possible but way more easier with premium. One workaround is to buy premium camos so to cut the cost in half for t10 ships.

[Captain_Singleton]

1 hour ago, Dragontrn said:

I just finished another game with victory but only 76k dmg and -100k silver =)))

but 76k damage is way less than your own health pool, do you expect to make money from playing poor games?

i see you have just got a missouri, play that it makes the best credits in the game, and try to find a clan with a reasonably built base, there is a building which increases your credits too.

[AnotherDuck]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

Which tier were you playing? F2P starts to require a better performance to make useful silver from about T8. With premium account, it tends to be about a tier higher.

T8 is also one of the better places to earn money with premium (either ship or account), while if you have neither, it's probably T6-T7. It also depends on what ships you're comfortable playing with.

 

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

The other thing to keep an eye on is that relative damage rewards you better than purely bigger damage numbers i.e. if you take 10K hp off a BB, you'll earn rather less than if you take the same damage off something small like a DD.

I believe it's actually entirely based on the percentage of health you damage. Raw numbers don't mean anything other than for some specific achievements and stuff (like High Caliber). I could be wrong, though.

 

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

Basically, the game is built to strongly encourage you to pay for things like premium time at the higher tiers. A decent F2P player can make a profit, but they'll often have to play more at mid tier to generate extra silver; you have to be pretty good to consistently make a profit at high tiers on a F2P basis.

The reason you can run a profit as a F2P player is economic flags, pretty much. Remember that flags affect base income and costs, not the net result, so most of the time those flags are best used on your T10 ships and ships with special income (such as Missouri). Get those flags from quests, loot crates, and whatever else you can get your hands on. I've been able to have at least some flags permanently on my high tier ships for years.

 

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

I used to also suggest considering permaflage for your favourite T10 silver ships, as this turns their economy into something not too far from a premium (although the semi-premium T10s are certainly better in this regard, as they have reduced service costs);

I would generally agree with this. The only reason I haven't gotten a permaflage on Shimakaze (which is my most played T10, and Yamato, which is the second, has the HSF one) is because I always use some special camo I've earned over the years. Have never used one of the regular credit camos. Anyway, if there is one ship you play a lot (hundreds of games), a permanent camo with economic benefits can earn you a lot (or make you lose less).

 

3 minutes ago, Salentine said:

i see you have just got a missouri, play that it makes the best credits in the game.

Yeah, Missouri prints credits. Nothing beats it. You basically earn 200k just by loading into the battle, and consistently earning 500k isn't a distant dream. It's also a really good ship that's fun to play.

[Yedwy]

@OP

 

1. Game is built to encurage buying premium ships and/or premium time

 

2. You can play without them but you need to farm cash in mid tiers or with premium ships

 

Now you have 3 options to solve the issue long term:

 

1. Pay up

 

2. Grind a T9 freemium and play the cr** out of it

 

3. Join a clan that plays CB in Storm league or higer and take the month worth of premium time every season, with other sources of premium time and some inintial purchase of something like 3 mth or so you can extend your Premium time indefinetly...

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Dragontrn said:

I already spent 200$ in this game already 

Welcome to capitalism, game-as-service edition. Company doesn't want you to spend money, company wants you to spend ALL the money.

[El2aZeR]

You received very little exp and thus very little income. Your performance may look (kinda) impressive but it's really not in terms of the economy.

 

Income in this game is based on percentage HP damage dealt. This means dealing 20k damage to a DD, representing 100% of its health, is rewarded much more than dealing 20k damage to a BB, representing ~20% of it's health. How much damage you dealt is thus less important than what ship you dealt it to.

[MementoMori_6030]

The secret is not to play high tiers. It's no fun, anyway.

[pen_15]

3 hours ago, lossi_2018 said:

t10 is unplayable without premium account for most people. Only old timers with millions of creds can do it or the very few people that top the charts (unicums). It is extremely difficult to make creds in t10 unless you play great and constantly winning. In other words it is possible but way more easier with premium. One workaround is to buy premium camos so to cut the cost in half for t10 ships.

Credit income is tied only to your personal performance. Winning or losing doesn't affect your income. One of the few fair and smart mechanics in the game.

[Ouzo11]

Yes wg indirectly tries to make players buy premium time.
Nothing wrong with that. They are a company that wants to make money.

I strongly advice you to always have 2 ships between tiers 5 and 7 that you actively grind.
This way you ll be at least breaking even, even if you are a bad player.

As someone said before, at tier 10, and any tier for that matter, the more damage you do to a ship the better the rewards.
Doing 10k to a dd (which is aprox 50% of its hp) will make you more money than doing 10k to a bb(which is ~10% of its hp).
Unfortunately capping, defending, spotting and tanking are not rewarding and mostly damage is taken into account regarding your credit rewards per match.

If you have any premium or special armory ships you can use these to make money aswell as they give more credits per match.
If i recall correctly: t9 prems > t10 prems > rest. So i d say save your flags and use them only on premium/special ships

[Sunleader]

5 hours ago, Dragontrn said:

Hi guys, i just started this game 3 month ago(16/01) and i played alot (about 2k game now). 

 

I like this game because i played Navy field before, it give me some good memory from old days, I've been playing with premium since i started and to day my premium just run out. I just finish a game with 150k dmg, not too good but not bad for an average player, and i  received -80k credit, i only have 1 premium consumable on my T10 ship. It make me feel like WG is forcing player to pay to get decent treat from this game, it is seriously ridiculous.

 

 

 

Yes and No.

Playing T10 Constantly without using any kind of Premium is very Hard unless your a Good Player.

 

T10 Maintenance Cost even without Premium Consumables is pretty High. So you need a Good Performance to Earn Money there without any Help.

Ways of Helping being to Buy a Permanent Premium Camouflage that Reduces Maintenance Cost by 50% thus making it Fairly easy to make Money even if you dont Perform Well.

Or Buying Premium so your Reward gets Buffed.

 

Pls also note. You need to understand that Damage does not Equal Reward.

Reward is Granted for Actions depending on Ship Type and also on what Ship Type you do them to.

5k Damage to a DD is worth more than 20k Damage to a BB.

So Sitting in the Rearline and Farming Damage on BBs while being a BB yourself. Will often give you very low Rewards.

 

BBs get alot of Extra Reward for Tanking Damage and also for Sinking Ships.

While DDs get some Bonus for Spotting etc.

And most of all. You need to Win if you want to make Positive Cash in T10 without any Real Money Help.

 

 

If your not good enough to do that.

The Idea is the same as in most Games. In order to Play Highest Tier. You need to Play at the lower Tiers where Maintenance Cost is much lower and thus you will Earn Money even if you dont Perform very Good.

Thus Building Up Money which you can then Spend Playing High Tier.

 

[Perekotypole]

lot of players play without premium. Many veterans do, with some skill and playing premium ships. Many players play low tiers, like 2000 games in Caledon, or Hosho. You can self sustain yourself in premium ship on tier 9, if you don't suck. But if you want to grind new ship lines, it's very hard without premium, unless you are unicum.

Also soon all consumables gonna be premium version, free of charge.

[ColonelPete]

No, you do not need to pay.

[Dragontrn]

Thank you guys for all your responses and advice.

I know that a lots of factors that infects our incomes and xp, %dmg dealt to ship, damage received, objectifs, flag, clan, ect... but yet, the game is really built to make people pay, i have no problem at all to do that, but for some reasons the most enjoyable tier ships in this game is at T10 is such discourage. As i said before, my account just run out of premium and i noticed  this, in one of my best games is just a negative silvers income.

 

 

Also one thing, premium ship is way too expensive, as a game is built as F2P,  i found it too much 

 

I just hate that i am being indirectly controlled what i have to do 

Il y a 5 heures, Salentine a dit :

i see you have just got a missouri, play that it makes the best credits in the game, and try to find a clan with a reasonably built base, there is a building which increases your credits too.

It is a rent ship from previous event 

Il y a 3 heures, Panocek a dit :

Welcome to capitalism, game-as-service edition. Company doesn't want you to spend money, company wants you to spend ALL the money.

Hell yea

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Dragontrn said:

I just hate that i am being indirectly controlled what i have to do

But you are not...

[Dragontrn]

Il y a 9 minutes, ColonelPete a dit :

But you are not...

sorry but i am not native English spoken, maybe "Their strategy of  making money on player"

 

And i just finished a game with GK again, somehow i think i am being trolled by this game right now 

313k silver from result and still got negative silver income on another tab

 

 

[ColonelPete]

You are missing a screenshot.

Have the feeling you focussed on shooting BB.

[Dragontrn]

Il y a 4 minutes, ColonelPete a dit :

You are missing a screenshot.

Have the feeling you focussed on shooting BB.

oh sorry, here the last screen shot, but how is it possible with my silver income, 310 - 190 = 120k silver, where is that going ?

[Panocek]

4 minutes ago, Dragontrn said:

oh sorry, here the last screen shot, but how is it possible with my silver income, 310 - 190 = 120k silver, where is that going ?

From your very own economy screenshot:

 

And what @ColonelPete meant with "second tab" was target selection, where indeed you focused mostly on battleships. Thus, subpar exp/credit gains.

[Dragontrn]

wait, are u telling me that the main result screen is not what i received, i mean it only show on that main screen what premium account received

 Edited: man im crazy   , i just got 24h prem from daily shipment and i focused on non prem

[DFens_666]

23 minutes ago, Dragontrn said:

 

 

72.476 is what you received after this game.

The 313k is only the amount your actions did during the game + eventual missions you complete (like you did, which got you 25k extra), from that you have to pay Service cost, ammunition and consumables (Camo if you use one for credits).

 

[ForlornSailor]

Did you even read the answers people gave you? For example, you totally missed the point about "it matters WHAT you shoot". I also suspected you shoot on BBs all the time, then saw the screen = confirmed. Yet you still talk about raw damage numbers. 35.000 damage on a Kurfürst nets you the same credits as ~ 7000 damage on a TX DD...

 

Also: if you chose to play only T10 - its your own problem. There is no reason to play that Tier exclusivly. Especially when you are so new to the game and obviously still lack a lot of knowledge about the game. So yea, you want to keep on playing T10 only with sub-average performance - you need to throw some money at WG. nothing wrong here really.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

Did you even read the answers people gave you? For example, you totally missed the point about "it matters WHAT you shoot". I also suspected you shoot on BBs all the time, then saw the screen = confirmed. Yet you still talk about raw damage numbers. 35.000 damage on a Kurfürst nets you the same credits as ~ 7000 damage on a TX DD...

 

Also: if you chose to play only T10 - its your own problem. There is no reason to play that Tier exclusivly. Especially when you are so new to the game and obviously still lack a lot of knowledge about the game. So yea, you want to keep on playing T10 only with sub-average performance - you need to throw some money at WG. nothing wrong here really.

And then, with T10 perma camo and consumable changes in 0.9.4 you will be able to play like master tier potato and still make credits