Owners of Moskva perma camo.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I was hoping to display feedback from the current owners of Moskva permanent camo that they have paid for. I’m hoping a poll might make it clear what people might accept if Wargaming chose to sweeten this situation.

 

possible commemorative camo for Moskva that Wargaming are already planning:

[Lebedjev]

That a very bias poll. :/

[RAYvenMP]

i don't mind any form of compensation and quite frankly i don't believe that WG won't compensate owners of the premium camo somehow. Chances are they don't want to announce it right now because that could cause many ppl buying the camo until 9.5 and get the money back after, and they want to avoid that.

 

if they would really stick with "no compensation" statement, that would be huge mistake and negative precedent showing that spending money on the game is not just risky, but outright foolish.

If there is one group of the playerbase you don't wan't to piss off, its the loyal spenders and whales

this is not some crazy event or RNG boxes, this is outright telling to people "oh, you spent $20 on our game, well bad luck, be more careful next time"

[Sunleader]

5 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said:

i don't mind any form of compensation and quite frankly i don't believe that WG won't compensate owners of the premium camo somehow. Chances are they don't want to announce it right now because that could cause many ppl buying the camo until 9.5 and get the money back after, and they want to avoid that.

 

if they would really stick with "no compensation" statement, that would be huge mistake and negative precedent showing that spending money on the game is not just risky, but outright foolish.

If there is one group of the playerbase you don't wan't to piss off, its the loyal spenders and whales

this is not some crazy event or RNG boxes, this is outright telling to people "oh, you spent $20 on our game, well bad luck, be more careful next time"

 

Possible. But unlikely.

When you get a Premium Ship from an Event that you already have. Thus getting a Duplicate. You get that Duplicate Converted to Doubloons.

Therefore it is Possible that WG actually never planned to withhold Compensation here or anything. Its just that the Compensation will be Paid out by the Automatic System just like when you otherwise get Duplicate Premium Ships.

 

However. In this case there is no Event. Your not actually earning anything here.

So it is in Fact also Possible that WG does not consider Compensation. Because your not actually losing anything.

They are simply giving something out for Free to be Nice. And well. If you already got it. Thats unfortunate. But bad Luck on your Part.

 

 

As for the latter part. Your actually Defeating your own Reasoning there.

Because as you Correctly State already. You have already gotten something out of that Camo. You have been able to Grind extra Rewards thanks to it long before others had it.

So you actually got something for that Money.

 

 

Well. Time will Tell I guess.

 

 

 

[RAYvenMP]

2 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

When you get a Premium Ship from an Event that you already have. Thus getting a Duplicate. You get that Duplicate Converted to Doubloons.

Its just that the Compensation will be Paid out by the Automatic System just like when you otherwise get Duplicate Premium Ships.

 

They are simply giving something out for Free to be Nice. And well. If you already got it. Thats unfortunate. But bad Luck on your Part.

 

so you are saying that getting a "free" premium camo that i already have is not duplicate because ... i already have it? Isn't the "already own" part kinda pre-requisite for the whole duplicate thing?

 

JoeTheSmart gets premium camo for free

JoeTheFool paid for the same camo $20

both Joe twins end up with the same thing in the end, just JoeTheSmart saved up $20

 

see the difference?

 

[Floofz]

I got the permacamo for Moskva. I dont "demand" compensation but I think its really bad taste on WGs side to not give us anything.

Its just another thing to add to the long list of issues that makes us support and trust them less and less.

In the end its their loss.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

I think a camo for Nevski will be a nice, decent, a common sense solution.

WG will avoid any ressentiments, players who spent 20 bucks on it will still have a reason to feel happy about, and this can be a common ground for a win/win situation.

[Sunleader]

1 minute ago, RAYvenMP said:

so you are saying that getting a "free" premium camo that i already have is not duplicate because ... i already have it? Isn't the "already own" part kinda pre-requisite for the whole duplicate thing?

 

JoeTheSmart gets premium camo for free

JoeTheFool paid for the same camo $20

both Joe twins end up with the same thing in the end, just JoeTheSmart saved up $20

 

see the difference?

 

 

Maybe Read my Post.

 

IF they just Give it to Everyone. Then Yes. Its a Duplicate. And the Automatic System would likely Convert it to Doubloons for you.

IF however. They ONLY Gift it to the People which have a Moskva but dont have that Camo. Then you might go out Empty Handed because you already have that Camo and thus do not Receive the Gift thus also not having a Duplicate.

 

As I said. I do understand where your Coming from. But as I said. Your also Defeating your own Statement there.

Because among The Joe Twins which got the Moskwa at the same Time. JoeThemaybenotsoSmartafterall has been Spending over a Hundred Consumable Camos last Year while Playing Moskva. Spending 50 Euro on Camo Containers.

While JoethemaybenotsoFoolish one has nicely been Sitting on his 20 Dollar Camo and not been Spending any additional Money afterwards :)

 

 

Because as you Correctly State.

Yes if WG said we get the Camo for Free. Then People would Buy it. So that till Moskva comes around they dont have to Spend any Consumable Camos.

 

 

I for example have Grinded Moskva before this as well. And then also Grinded the Legendary Module. Needless to say. I did that using Consumable Camos.

 

And here is the Catch.

Your Demanding to be Given Compensation for these 20 Euro you Spend which others now get for Free.

But by that same Logic.

I could then Demand to be Given Compensation for the 15-40 Euro worth of Consumable Camos I Spend instead of Buying the 20 Euro Perma Camo :)

 

 

 

So How do I then get Compensated ? :)

Notice the Problem and that Rats Tail that comes after this if they just Decide to Compensate everyone who misses out on a Free Gift ?

 

[RAYvenMP]

5 minutes ago, Floofz said:

I got the permacamo for Moskva. I dont "demand" compensation but I think its really bad taste on WGs side to not give us anything.

Its just another thing to add to the long list of issues that makes us support and trust them less and less.

In the end its their loss.

that's exactly the point.

i bought 120+ premium ships, i got permacamos on 90% of T10 ships and all of the Halloween/Space camos. I don't even use those camo's and i certainly don't give a crap about 5k dubs, but i don't like being treated like an idiot who can't put 2 and 2 together just because they claim that 'we are cool, we don't take, we give freebies dude!"

[Zip__]

4 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And here is the Catch.

Your Demanding to be Given Compensation for these 20 Euro you Spend which others now get for Free.

But by that same Logic.

I could then Demand to be Given Compensation for the 15-40 Euro worth of Consumable Camos I Spend instead of Buying the 20 Euro Perma Camo :)

 

 

 

So How do I then get Compensated ? :)

Notice the Problem and that Rats Tail that comes after this if they just Decide to Compensate everyone who misses out on a Free Gift ?

 

That is a false equivalency. 
 

Expendable camos can be used on any of your ships, so when the Moskva is moved to the coal shop you can still use those camos on other ships. Players who have bought the Moskva camo cannot use it on other ships.

[Sunleader]

1 minute ago, Zip__ said:

That is a false equivalency. 
 

Expendable camos can be used on any of your ships, so when the Moskva is moved to the coal shop you can still use those camos on other ships. Players who have bought the Moskva camo cannot use it on other ships.

 

Except I cant.

I have used them on the Moskva. :)

 

After All. I could not know that Moskva Premium Camo would be Refunded. So I never considered getting Moskva Prem Camo instead.

 

Why should You be JoetheSmart and get Doubloons for Free because you didnt know about something.

While I am JoetheFool and have wasted Doubloons for something that I got for Free.

 

I rather have that your JoetheFool then. :)

[Zip__]

Just now, Sunleader said:

 

Except I cant.

I have used them on the Moskva. :)

 

After All. I could not know that Moskva Premium Camo would be Refunded. So I never considered getting Moskva Prem Camo instead.

 

Why should You be JoetheSmart and get Doubloons for Free because you didnt know about something.

While I am JoetheFool and have wasted Doubloons for something that I got for Free.

 

I rather have that your JoetheFool then. :)

 

Yes, but you knew when you used them that they would expire. They have a limited use and you knew that when you purchased them. 

 

This is a risky precedent being set by WG here. Who's to say that any perma camo you now buy is not given for free if that ship is turned into a special/premium ship.

[RAYvenMP]

28 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Maybe Read my Post.

 

IF they just Give it to Everyone. Then Yes. Its a Duplicate. And the Automatic System would likely Convert it to Doubloons for you.

IF however. They ONLY Gift it to the People which have a Moskva but dont have that Camo. Then you might go out Empty Handed because you already have that Camo and thus do not Receive the Gift thus also not having a Duplicate.

 

As I said. I do understand where your Coming from. But as I said. Your also Defeating your own Statement there.

Because among The Joe Twins which got the Moskwa at the same Time. JoeThemaybenotsoSmartafterall has been Spending over a Hundred Consumable Camos last Year while Playing Moskva. Spending 50 Euro on Camo Containers.

While JoethemaybenotsoFoolish one has nicely been Sitting on his 20 Dollar Camo and not been Spending any additional Money afterwards :)

 

 

Because as you Correctly State.

Yes if WG said we get the Camo for Free. Then People would Buy it. So that till Moskva comes around they dont have to Spend any Consumable Camos.

 

 

I for example have Grinded Moskva before this as well. And then also Grinded the Legendary Module. Needless to say. I did that using Consumable Camos.

 

And here is the Catch.

Your Demanding to be Given Compensation for these 20 Euro you Spend which others now get for Free.

But by that same Logic.

I could then Demand to be Given Compensation for the 15-40 Euro worth of Consumable Camos I Spend instead of Buying the 20 Euro Perma Camo :)

 

 

 

So How do I then get Compensated ? :)

Notice the Problem and that Rats Tail that comes after this if they just Decide to Compensate everyone who misses out on a Free Gift ?

 

i don't really follow your logic man

It is absolutely irrelevant if they are giving out the free camo to everyone or 5/10/500/10k people. they are giving it to EVERYONE who researched Moskva and some of those will already OWN the camo hence for them it will be duplicate. Duplicate that they paid $$$ for, hence it should qualify for compensation just like any other duplicate that was earned for real money was compensated in the past.

 

And it absolutely does not matter if i had that camo for 1 day or 5 years. Every single time there was premium ship as reward in some even't, those who already purchased that ship got doubloons instead for duplicate (Gorizia, London and many more in the past including the special camos that came with the bundles) Nowhere was it written that i can't own that ship longer than a month to be eligible because "i already had my fun for the money spent"

 

It is obvious that your are one of those JoeTheSmarts and for whatever stupid reason you defend this because i guess somehow it makes you feel better that some others get fucked over. But karma is a [edited], you got lucky this time, but if they get away with this, next time you might get fucked over with us.

[Sunleader]

Just now, Zip__ said:

 

Yes, but you knew when you used them that they would expire. They have a limited use and you knew that when you purchased them. 

 

This is a risky precedent being set by WG here. Who's to say that any perma camo you now buy is not given for free if that ship is turned into a special/premium ship.

 

I did not Know that I could get the same Effect for Free if I had just Bought the Premium Camo :)

Just like you did not know. That you could have gotten the Premium Camo for Free if you had just waited for Moskwa to become a Premium Ship :)

 

 

You guys need to Realize this.

You are not Losing anything here. Nothing is taken from you.

 

What your Complaining about. Is that others get something for Free. That you have Paid for already before knowing that it would be available for Free later.

 

But the Moment Wargaming Compensates you for this. The Situation also Applies to me.

Because then your getting something for Free. Which I have Paid for before I knew that I could have had it for Free. :)

 

After all. Do You Think I would have Spend the Consumable Camos if I had known that I could have just Bought the Perma Camo and then get the Doubloons back later ? :)

You guys Only Think about Yourself. You dont think about the Potential Situations your setting for others at all :)

 

And if they Compensated you. This would also Set a Dangerous Precedent. Because then the Community would have that thing I have. And also Demand Compensation because they have Spend the same Money as you. But while you ended up getting your Money Back. They did not :)

 

 

 

Sorry.

But as I said.

What your Demanding there is effectively that you dont want others to get something for Free without getting something for Free yourself.

 

 

2 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said:

i don't really follow your logic man

It is absolutely irrelevant if they are giving out the free camo to everyone or 5/10/500/10k people. they are giving it to EVERYONE who researched Moskva and some of those will already OWN the camo hence for them it will be duplicate. Duplicate that they paid $$$ for, hence it should qualify for compensation just like any other duplicate that was earned for real money was compensated in the past.

 

And it absolutely does not matter if i had that camo for 1 day or 5 years. Every single time there was premium ship as reward in some even't, those who already purchased that ship got doubloons instead for duplicate (Gorizia, London and many more in the past including the special camos that came with the bundles) Nowhere was it written that i can't own that ship longer than a month to be eligible.

 

It is obvious that your are one of those JoeTheSmarts and for whatever stupid reason you defend this because i guess it somehow it makes you feel better that some others get fucked over. But karma is a [edited], you got lucky this time, but if they get away with this, next time you might get fucked over with us.

 

Nope.

 

The Official Post Says. "Those who do not have the Premium Camo will get it for Free"

It is nowhere saying that Everyone who has Researched Moskwa gets a Free Premium Camo for it :)

 

And Yes. But thats Premium Ships. Not Camos.

Wargaming has made no Official Statement that the same Rule Applies to Camos as it does for Ships :)

 

 

And Well Mate. I think I actually just Explained that I choose to use Consumable Camos instead of getting Premium Camos for Grinding Moskva. So Big Secret lol. I just told you that straight in the Face.

Not that I am expecting you to Read it Properly. You already didnt read my Last Post properly either soo..... yeah....

Also.

I would say. It is obvious that your one of those JoeTheFools that now is Jealous that others get something for Free and Angry that he doesnt get something as well :)

 

 

Thing is. As I just Explained to you.

If you get Compensated and thus have Played your Moskva with Premium Camo for Free.

Then I would already be the one who is fu**** over this Time. Because then I would have Wasted 60 Camos for Nothing as I could have just gotten the Premium Camo which I get Doubloons back for Later.

 

So No Offense to You.

But in that case. I Prefer that this Time your the one is Fu**** over. I might be too next Time. But the Possibility that I might be Hit later on. Is not worse to me than being the one Hit now.

[Zip__]

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

What your Complaining about. Is that others get something for Free. That you have Paid for already before knowing that it would be available for Free later.

 

That's a twist of words and takes what i'm saying out of context.

 

If people have the Moskva and get the camo for free then that's great, i'm happy for them, but, i do expect people who have paid for the camo to get some sort of compensation for it. Does that make me a bad or selfish person? I don't think so. I expect there to be fairness across the board. Should i not get the camo for free too? Why should people who haven't paid for it be the only ones to get it for free? 

 

Now you may think that's an unreasonable request, and you're perfectly entitled to that opinion, but i would wager that you're in the minority. 

 

 

 

 

[RAYvenMP]

32 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

The Official Post Says. "Those who do not have the Premium Camo will get it for Free"

It is nowhere saying that Everyone who has Researched Moskwa gets a Free Premium Camo for it :)

what the .... ????

 

sorry, but i wont bother anymore, you just keep repeating the same crap over and over in a wall of text and i am tired of that. Your whole point stand on the fact that those who already paid for that camo, got it paid back in the form of extra silver/exp over time. That is all cool, but nowhere in the "WG rules" for duplicates compensation time period of owning the duplicated item ever mattered. I have bought London bundle with the golden camo day 1, and month later when the directives ended i got dubs compensation for both ship and the camo. Same as people who bought the bundle day 5 or after a week or one day before directives ended.

 

i am not here to convince you if what they are doing is right or wrong. I have paid the money, and in my opinion, they will take away my $20 camo from the Tech tree ship and won't give me any replacement

During every single line splits WG did this differently, but i guess some cool sales guys wanna try something new to get few extra $$$ from people.  They definitely wont get that extra $$$ for perma camo from you, and this this neither from me 

[Sunleader]

7 minutes ago, Zip__ said:

 

That's a twist of words and takes what i'm saying out of context.

 

If people have the Moskva and get the camo for free then that's great, i'm happy for them, but, i do expect people who have paid for the camo to get some sort of compensation for it. Does that make me a bad or selfish person? I don't think so. I expect there to be fairness across the board. Should i not get the camo for free too? Why should people who haven't paid for it be the only ones to get it for free? 

 

Now you may think that's an unreasonable request, and you're perfectly entitled to that opinion, but i would wager that you're in the minority. 

 

 

 

 

 

Its not Twisting anything :)

Its simply the Truth.

 

And Well Mate. If you get Compensation for it. That you Bought the Premium Camo instead of getting Consumable Camos. Then it will be Unfair to me. Because I could not know that the Premium Camo would be for Free afterwards and get you a Compensation :)

 

And Uhhhh. I dont think the Majority has Bought the Moskvas Premium Camo. So I think its Fairly Likely that the Majority will just be Happy they got the Free Camo and be Happy about it.

 

 

4 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said:

what the .... ????

 

sorry, but i wont bother anymore, you just keep repeating the same crap over and over in a wall of text and i am tired of that. Your whole point stand on the fact that those who already paid for that camo, got it paid back in the form of extra silver/exp over time. That is all cool, but nowhere in the "WG rules" for duplicates compensation time period of owning the duplicated item ever mattered. I have bought London bundle with the golden camo day 1, and month later when the directives ended i got dubs compensation for both ship and the camo. Same as people who bought the bundle day 5 or after a week or one day before directives ended.

 

i am not here to convince you if what they are doing is right or wrong. I have paid the money, and in my opinion, they will take away my $20 camo from the Tech tree ship and won't give me any replacement

During every single line splits WG did this differently, but i guess some cool PR guys wanna try something new to get few extra $$$ from people. 

 

Not sure if your Trolling or just not Capable of Understanding.

 

But in case you did not Know.

 

This is the Official Statement.

 

"""

The Unique Upgrade or the mission for it, as well as all purchased permanent camouflages, will remain on Moskva. In case the Type 20 permanent camouflage wasn't purchased, players will get it. 

"""

 

See. Its not saying anything about you getting a Duplicate.

 

You can Read the Full Post here:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/133758-st-soviet-cruisers-branch-split/

[TheBrut3]

WG just likes to [edited]their players for €16,50 on this one.

Same thing as they would say; "all players get premium for the rest of the year, players that already have it get no compensation."

[Miscommunication_dept]

I’ve just found a precedent for those asking for a camo refund.

 

In the 2019 Lunar new year event you could win a permanent  camo for the Irian in either the first or second bundle.

In the third bundle you were guaranteed an Irian with camo.

If you had already won the camo you would receive 5,000 doubloons compensation.

[CptBarney]

1 hour ago, RAYvenMP said:

that's exactly the point.

i bought 120+ premium ships, i got permacamos on 90% of T10 ships and all of the Halloween/Space camos. I don't even use those camo's and i certainly don't give a crap about 5k dubs, but i don't like being treated like an idiot who can't put 2 and 2 together just because they claim that 'we are cool, we don't take, we give freebies dude!"

Basically, this just makes it harder for people to trust them in general. And will inevitably lower their customers opinion of them even further.

I have to admit that soviet camo looks really nice for moskva, might actually bother finishing of the russian cruiser grind just to get her in time.

 

I can understand that people are pissed that someone like me who hasn't spent a penny on this game can just waltz in research the ship, save god knows how many creds and get a perma camo for free for her.

Good for my cheap arse not so good for those who spent, but weegee decides at the end of the day unless of course they create a big enough shizstorm in the dev section.

[lossi_2018]

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[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

I’ve just found a precedent for those asking for a camo refund.

 

In the 2019 Lunar new year event you could win a permanent  camo for the Irian in either the first or second bundle.

In the third bundle you were guaranteed an Irian with camo.

If you had already won the camo you would receive 5,000 doubloons compensation.

 

Fallacy.

Your not Winning or Buying anything in this Case.

You make no Effort whatsoever which would Justify you getting Free Doubloons :)

[RAYvenMP]

 

22 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

In case the Type 20 permanent camouflage wasn't purchased, players will get it. 

"""

 

See. Its not saying anything about you getting a Duplicate.

 

You can Read the Full Post here:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/133758-st-soviet-cruisers-branch-split/

1 hour ago, domo42 said:

The missing Moskva compensation is beyond me. For me it seems to work like this:

Everyone with a driving license gets a car for free. The ones already owning a car get nothing.
This is only fair, because nobody is loosing anything.

 

WG logic.

 

everyone has a car now, all fair and cool.

 

good job WG, reading the forums and dev blog it seem that you managed to get support on this from total of 3 guys, who "coincidentally" did not buy the camo, so they will get it for free. They are so happy about it that from now on they will keep on buying perma camos like crazy to return back some love. Or maybe they won't. 

[Sunleader]

34 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said:

 

 

everyone has a car now, all fair and cool.

 

good job WG, reading the forums and dev blog it seem that you managed to get support on this from total of 3 guys, who "coincidentally" did not buy the camo, so they will get it for free. They are so happy about it that from now on they will keep on buying perma camos like crazy to return back some love. Or maybe they won't. 

 

Well.

And why would I ever again Buy Containers with Consumable Camos when I know that Buying a Perma Camo might not end up Giving me Back my Doubloons Later ? :)

 

As I said. Question is just. Who do you f*** over. Those who got it. Or those who did not and used Consumable Camos instead.

 

 

Stop thining only about yourself. Just take it like a Man and Accept that this Time you missed out.

Dont worry. There will certainly be Future cases where I Miss out and you get it.

 

 

 

By the Way.

Someone Posted this in the other Topic.

 

 

 

Someone knows where that comes from ?

 

[RAYvenMP]

23 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And why would I ever again Buy Containers with Consumable Camos

who the hell would buy consumable camos for cash? Is WG even selling that for $$$? apart from the 200%EXP one you can get for dubs (that i am pretty sure only the most crazy ppl pay for)